Do Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean staves lack utility?

[Korpg]

In a party if you're a good player theres lots to do between rages. And as for solo anything big it's stupid to melee on anyway

But that is what Apoc atma is for anyway. For him at least.

[Razushu]

But that is what Apoc atma is for anyway. For him at least.

Either that or the biggest NMs he's fighting are the likes of Bubbly Bernie and Falcatus Aranei

[Korpg]

Either that or the biggest NMs he's fighting are the likes of Bubbly Bernie and Falcatus Aranei

Lets give him some credit.

Lets all say that the biggest NM he can effectively melee on would be.....hmm....Waraxe Beak. Nothing too bad to kill, doesn't drop anything good, and can kill an unintelligent player.

[Alhanelem]

You don't need a weapon to totally offset perp cost with full empyrean +2, including auto refresh.

... Anyway... Can we just rename this topic "Let's troll Dallas!" ? Because that's basically all that's going on here anymore.

[Korpg]

You don't need a weapon to totally offset perp cost with full empyrean +2, including auto refresh.

... Anyway... Can we just rename this topic "Let's troll Dallas!" ? Because that's basically all that's going on here anymore.

Without Atma? Even if you /RDM and continue to cast Refresh on you 100% of the time you still only get 1 mp per tick back with the most ideal set (not including WotG earring). Sure, that is free, but is it plausible? Can you keep your avatar out forever while continue to BP? Sure, theoretically you can, but your damage would really suck.

[Razushu]

You don't need a weapon to totally offset perp cost with full empyrean +2, including auto refresh.

... Anyway... Can we just rename this topic "Let's troll Dallas!" ? Because that's basically all that's going on here anymore.

Al just be glad he's united everyone in this thread and the cyclical arguments have ended thanks to Dallas

[Dallas]

LOL, so not even Al knows the answer to this mystery?

Full +2 gear is macro only.

Replace pants with Augur Brais or refresh augmented subligar.
Replace hands with Nashira Gages.
Using Garuda, replace the +2 horn with the headband.
+2 body, and legs stay on.

Free avatars all the time, with soulscourge.

[Razushu]

LOL, so not even Al knows the answer to this mystery?

Full +2 gear is macro only.

Replace pants with Augur Brais or refresh augmented subligar.
Replace hands with Nashira Gages.
Using Garuda, replace the +2 horn with the headband.
+2 body, and legs stay on.

With Caller's Horn +1/2 Karura becomes a macro piece

[Dallas]

Not if you are DDing or tanking. So yah, for you.

[Alhanelem]

Without Atma?

Yes.

And as above, Karura is a macro piece, not the caller's horn. The attack/def bonus on the hachigane is insignificant, and only relevant with Garuda.

For ordinary SMN activities, you can easily fulltime the entire set (macroing BP delay and such in as needed of course).
Gages are nice but not very obtainable if you don't have them already because nobody does limbus.