Why are we advertized as fighter-mages when White Mages can out-do us?

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Mmm, Some people don't really need brews as much as you seem to value them.

Gil is far from useless. You can still buy Empyrean upgrade items(Merc'in) with them, Foods, etc. People working on Relic Weapons also value gil... I know i do.

Cruor is in itself a useless currency to me atm, I keep a safety net (like i said, about 300k), but i convert the rest.

It will vary from person to person however.

Outside of Shinryu, I've never used a brew.

I'm not saying Gil is useless, I'm saying Dominion Notes are, once you buy the eAF items from them for your jobs they have no real use outside of buying a doom-shield.

I'd much rather save all my cruor when I can use the notes to get the same amount of gil from the items and the notes are much easier to get as well.

Perle Hauberk - 5,000 cruor sells for ~7,500
Savate Fists - 2,500 dominion notes sells for ~7,000

[Karbuncle]

Outside of Shinryu, I've never used a brew.

I'm not saying Gil is useless, I'm saying Dominion Notes are, once you buy the eAF items from them for your jobs they have no real use outside of buying a doom-shield.

I'd much rather save all my cruor when I can use the notes to get the same amount of gil from the items and the notes are much easier to get as well.

Perle Hauberk - 5,000 cruor sells for ~7,500
Savate Fists - 2,500 dominion notes sells for ~7,000

Well yah, But you could do both and double your gil.

To some people Cruor is a worthless Currency and gil hold more value, Sometimes its the opposite, i can agree to that. But acting like someone is... "Crazy"? for turning Cruor into gil is just uneducated at best is my point.

To some people, Cruor is as worthless as Dominion Points. Brews aren't all that important, some people rarely ever use one, I usually carry 1 on me, and have my safety net of ~300k cruor, and i never feel like i need more than that ;X

[Seriha]

Yeah, I think people are overvaluing brews in general across the community. I used my first one a couple weeks back only because the friend I was duoing Ahmaluk with (admittedly he was quad-boxing x.x) had a sudden connection hiccup and was basically just me on BLU to handle it after it took out two of his characters. Can everything be brewed? Yeah. Is it practical to do so? Well, I guess if you like spending a few hours in between in cruor parties, sure. Eventually you'd run out of cruor otherwise. The requirement of procs on a lot of things makes it a bad idea to outright zerg some stuff if you don't have a proc crew working on a mob while you're delaying the timer in a menu.

[Doombringer]

brewing stuff is just plain fun. who didn't laugh maniacally the first time they used a brew?

hell, i wasted 2 brews doing somebody else emp just cuz i got to brew 3 draguas at ONCE. for a total of 9 draguas +whatever they could pull into cataclysm range.


did we "need" to brew dragua? no. we've killed it straight up with less people than we had just to hold pop items.. but was it worth the 400k cruor just for lulz... yup ^^ plus we burned a pair of verethrangas from 85 to 90 in like 2 days, so that was cool.

[Bubeeky]

Who doesn't have fun opening up a 50k damage ws on an unsuspecting NM that has laughed at u while bending u over its knee, spanking u?

[Aleste]

Ontopic: I've always assumed it was because of the quantity of offensive options each job had.

White mage offensive consists of Banish 1/2 ga/ga2 which are relatively naff; that leaves just Holy and Banish 3 and both of them have pretty long recast timers (with pretty poor damage considering the lack of decent nuking gear for whitemage).

RDM on the other hand gets the usual selection of Tier4 nukes...

In terms of combat weapon proficiency (B+ C compared against B B D), the only real difference is Hexastrike, and relative ease of gear for whm melee imho. Although there has been a fair few decent pieces for RDM melee from the past few updates.

[Bubeeky]

I'm not sure where ppl get the idea that it's easier to find melee gear for whm than for rdm, clubs sure, but the rest of it, is no easier than for rdms...aside from the blessed hands/feet/legs I can't think of specific gear pieces that I use in melee that rdm couldn't use as well.

[Aleste]

In terms of haste gear...

A basic whm with blessed gear, walmart and a haste belt sits around 18-19% haste.

A basic rdm would also wear the walmart and a haste belt.. but would wear dusk hands/feet instead. 13-14% haste total.

There's a 5% difference in just AH/easily accessible gear.

Harder gear (requiring actual work) would include zelus tiara, goliard saio, better haste belt (goading or ninurta) and those new trousers rdm got in the last update.

It's easier to gear more haste for whitemage than it is for redmage...

[Hyrist]

It's easier to gear more haste for whitemage than it is for redmage...

That is probably my biggest standing complaint, gear wise.

Anyways, right now I am working on that FAQ, trying to find a good neutrally worded explanation, while hitting all the good points. Taking my time on it as I want it to be halfway decent off the ground.

[Aleste]

I was implying that perhaps the reason why white-mages are more melee capable is because they lack any other form of offense.

Red-mages, while not having the same caliber of melee capability, have more offensive spells in their arsenal to compensate for it.