Why is Summoner the most ignored, misunderstood and broken job?

[RAIST]

1. It does happen when you have damage mitigation they don't have

2. the point is per hit you are the same or maybe higher, so if one is tickling the mob, then so is the other.

3. no, it goes against the argument that you are tickling the mob, aimed at countering the arguments trying to trivialize the damage output of a SMN meleeing

4. and yes, you can pull hate while being up front quite easily in fact. Every manuever, cure, status removal, WS and the fact you are smacking them around generates hate. It can and does happen. I can do it on BLM and WHM too. Just because you are swinging a weapon doesn't mean you cant perform your other duties as well, which leads to #5

5. you can hit macros and select members just as easily up front as in back. It can actually work better to be down front with your avatar out for more timely AOE buffing and such. I've done this a lot for a long time, it all comes down to your playing style and being used to it I guess.

6. If you understand melee so well, then why do you seem to be presenting the idea that your skill on your weapon has little to do with your effectiveness with that weapon? It isn't whether you understand melee...it is more that you are comparing effectiveness of a weapon which is nerfed when you are using it against those who are capped and may be geared more appropriately to further improve efficiency with that weapon.

[Razushu]

1. It does happen when you have damage mitigation they don't have

No job has less damage mitigation than SMN, and what we do have is AoE so if you're getting it so is everyone in range is too

2. the point is per hit you are the same or maybe higher, so if one is tickling the mob, then so is the other.

So for hit you're the same as a weapon that has half the delay as yours and is dual wielded that NIN will still leave you in the dust, unless they're gimper than a one legged mule.

3. no, it goes against the argument that you are tickling the mob, aimed at countering the arguments trying to trivialize the damage output of a SMN meleeing

My argument is that if you are doing a fraction of the damage of a DD you are for all intents and purposes tickling the mob

4. and yes, you can pull hate while being up front quite easily in fact. Every manuever, cure, status removal, WS and the fact you are smacking them around generates hate. It can and does happen. I can do it on BLM and WHM too. Just because you are swinging a weapon doesn't mean you cant perform your other duties as well, which leads to #5

It doesn't mean you can't but it will definitely lower the effectiveness, even if it's just you pull hate and die when the party needs heavy cures.

5. you can hit macros and select members just as easily up front as in back. It can actually work better to be down front with your avatar out for more timely AOE buffing and such. I've done this a lot for a long time, it all comes down to your playing style and being used to it I guess.

Yeah to the macros. No to the increased effectiveness. If it was even jsut as easy to support from the front there'd be no such thing as a backline(aside from AoE etc.). It's just as easy to time buffs back line if not easier.

6. If you understand melee so well, then why do you seem to be presenting the idea that your skill on your weapon has little to do with your effectiveness with that weapon? It isn't whether you understand melee...it is more that you are comparing effectiveness of a weapon which is nerfed when you are using it against those who are capped and may be geared more appropriately to further improve efficiency with that weapon.

I'm not saying my "staff weapon skill" has no effect on the effectiveness of the melee, I'm saying that there is absolutely no need for me to skill it up further to understand how melee works, I've used it as SMN and I've been able to more than well play my brother's SAM and DRG without playing or leveling the job before.