Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

[Cream_Soda]

Anything is an exploit which is not what the developers intended.

How long have you been playing? Did you ever tnak on ninja? You were exploiting if so! It was not initially designed to be a tank! Unless you didn't start playing the game and never had a nin tank in any of your pts until after SE gave in to the player base to make nin a tank.

[Starcade]

wow. Just wow. [dev1003] how do i blacklist someone on forums?

Click my name, it'll pull up my profile.

There should be a link to the left as to adding to the ignore list.

Here's the thing, honey, since you just don't seem to get it yet.
1: the world doesn't revolve around your point of view.
2: the world is not black and white.

The problem is when the "grey" basically compromises the entire experience except for an elite few.

This was one of the reasons that VanaFest 2010 actually gave me hope for the future of this enterprise.

There is far too much "grey" in FFXI -- one of the reasons I never touched FFXIV (and WILL NOT) is because of how much grey area is in this game.

3: the illuminati don't run the world. there is no supermafia controlling all of life and its various transactions and interactions as we know it. the aliens really won't save you. your paranoia about the CIA really is JUST paranoia.

Someone's been reading some of my other writings.

4: saints are not superhumans with an infallible moral backbone and a divine connection to a surreal force beyond comprehensibility. the pope is not the arbiter of justice and the goodness in humanity given flesh. sinners aren't demon-chimera abominations who've done nothing good for anyone in their lives. not everyone cheats to get what they want. you are not the SE gestapo who decide what cheating is and is not.

No, but when those who ARE the Square-Enix gestapo ignore their own words and their own edicts, someone has to call them on the carpet.

You see, you don't get that -- you just want this massively multiplayer sandbox to go run over with a steamroller.

I can't and won't operate in that atmosphere. If I thought the way you did, people would get hurt badly. (One more for Alia or the like to put under "criminal behavior" or somesuch.)

If respect for this player-base is required to play FFXI, then Square-Enix has one option -- to expel me from said player-base.

and for the moneyshot:
5: soloing does not in any capacity have anything to do with how you play endgame. neither does abyssea. neither one will make you more or less gil. neither one can be said to produce more quality without adequate testing and confirmation. you are not a superscientist. moreover, i can solo anything you name, even whm or brd, to 90 off of FoV 10 levels behind me and going very, very slowly. I am NOT going to play this if a little person is over my shoulder the ENTIRE time making sure YOUR idea of "fair play" is enforced the ENTIRE way through MY game career.

Then you have to have your presence on this game questioned. You don't want ANYONE'S idea of "fair play", including Square-Enix'.

The players need to have to look over their shoulder vis-a-vis "fair play", else you get like what FFXI has been the last four years or so, and that's a game who's population has been stagnating and/or dropping because illegitimate and illegal play has been propping it up.

YOU need to get over your god complex before someone in "that HD thing outside the window with all the bad people my cultist mother told me to watch out for" slaps the dumb out of you.

That a threat or an offer?

have a nice... i can't even BRING myself to call it a life.

I can't live what you call a "life".

[Rubeus]

sweet silence of blist.
i'm half tempted to just ask anyway though... is it lonely up there on your pedestal?

i should thank you though, honestly. you know, if not for you, i'd still be defending that any player whose willing can be taught. now i changed my mind. bravo on you for that epiphany. i'm going to go shower with a brillopad now until i forget this illogical travesty tainting my brain.
good night all

[Greatguardian]

@Starcade

Here's the thing:

Who are you to dictate what the developers did and did not intend? I'm going to narrow the parameters for this query to Abyssea leeching. Prove to me that FFXI's Development or Community Teams have shown in some fashion, beyond reasonable doubt, that they do not approve of or did not intend to allow Abyssea leeching.

You are the one who broached leeching as an exploit. In order to be an exploit and not an innovation, it must be something which actively subverts game mechanics in an unwanted (unwanted by FFXI Dev, NOT by you) manner.

As for your query, I don't need to "cheat" to be a better player than you. Though I'm sure you'd devise some reason to call me a cheater having completed two Empyreans in a week's time. Obviously anyone who plays the game well cheats in some fashion or another, etc etc etc.

[Vinc]

Just ignore Starcade, stop asking for his responses...christ, this is why we can't have nice things. Eventually he will grow tired of trolling and move on.

[Starcade]

@Starcade

Here's the thing:

Who are you to dictate what the developers did and did not intend? I'm going to narrow the parameters for this query to Abyssea leeching. Prove to me that FFXI's Development or Community Teams have shown in some fashion, beyond reasonable doubt, that they do not approve of or did not intend to allow Abyssea leeching.

Questions like this -- actions like the Fortification nerf in Campaign a while back. They want players participating, not usurping the system for their own ends.

You are the one who broached leeching as an exploit. In order to be an exploit and not an innovation, it must be something which actively subverts game mechanics in an unwanted (unwanted by FFXI Dev, NOT by you) manner.

And I can come up with a way that it would -- see above.

As for your query, I don't need to "cheat" to be a better player than you. Though I'm sure you'd devise some reason to call me a cheater having completed two Empyreans in a week's time. Obviously anyone who plays the game well cheats in some fashion or another, etc etc etc.

I don't have to "devise some reason". You want the status quo retained, and there's a reason for that.

[Starcade]

Just ignore Starcade, stop asking for his responses...christ, this is why we can't have nice things. Eventually he will grow tired of trolling and move on.

You don't deserve nice things if that's the attitude you want to have -- because that tells me far more than I think you want to tell me.

[Fiarlia]

Just ignore Starcade, stop asking for his responses...christ, this is why we can't have nice things. Eventually he will grow tired of trolling and move on.

No, actually, he keeps going until he gets banned from the forum. See: any other FFXI forum.

I just desperately hope that when it happens again here, the ban will carry over to the game. This guy a self-righteous, self-important holier than thou asshat of the highest calibur. He refuses to ever acknowledge any viewpoints differing from his own and constantly throw around insults and slander. He also completely ignores any valid point against his argument (read; pretty much everything anyone else ever says, anywhere at any time).

The only way we will ever be free of this idiocy is waiting and biding time until he gets banned (again). Either that or everyone puts him on their ignore list, which isn't likely to happen.

[Cream_Soda]

Questions like this -- actions like the Fortification nerf in Campaign a while back. They want players participating, not usurping the system for their own ends.



And I can come up with a way that it would -- see above.



I don't have to "devise some reason". You want the status quo retained, and there's a reason for that.

Your assumption

[Greatguardian]

Just ignore Starcade, stop asking for his responses...christ, this is why we can't have nice things. Eventually he will grow tired of trolling and move on.

Starcade's been playing the same act for something like 5 years or more now. He's not going to stop any time soon. The only reason he doesn't have more publicity is he's been long banned from pretty much every FFXI community forum. If no one gives him places to spout his crap, he'll make a new thread to spout more crap. I figure it's better to have him in a worthless, long-finished thread like this than making new threads and giving even more people headaches.

Hell, he thinks I care about the status quo, that's funny. Read my discourse with Rubeus, I feel I make it fairly clear that I appreciate the change in the status quo; I simply dislike people who think it's their right to forcefully impose their standards for playing an open-world online game on other people.

Edit: For clarity, there is a difference between telling a WAR that TP'ing in full Heca is stupid and petitioning SE to have full AF Wars Banned. Key difference.