Do Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean staves lack utility?

[Dallas]

Byrth, are you just listing the stuff you'd invite SMN? We know your short list.

That was not the question. Kirin works. We'll use Kirin.

[Sparthos]

Byrth, are you just listing the stuff you'd invite SMN? We know your short list.

That was not the question. Kirin works. We'll use Kirin.

Of course Kirin works, hes level 75 content.

[Alhanelem]

Of course Kirin works, hes level 75 content.

Kirin still outlevels us, not that I'm endorsing this because no summoner gives two farts about kirin.

[Greatguardian]

Oh. Okay. Summoners only have one job and only fight things that drop Summoner-related items. Gotcha.

[Alhanelem]

Oh. Okay. Summoners only have one job and only fight things that drop Summoner-related items. Gotcha.

If no one wants you there and you have no reason to be there, why be there?

On top of that, kirin is basically irrelevant. I don't really care how well a job performs at an unneeded fight.

[Greatguardian]

Again. See: "Summoners only have one job".

Most people have more than one. In a game where 90% of the strategy in any given fight is job setup, variety is good.

[Alhanelem]

Again. See: "Summoners only have one job".

Most people have more than one. In a game where 90% of the strategy in any given fight is job setup, variety is good.

Irrelevant to topic at hand. And most of the jobs that are popular with people who find summoner fun aren't popular either.

On top of this, what is proven that we don't already know? What are we trying to argue? We've already established SMN doesn't do a whole lot of damage, melee or no. Unless you're still kiting kirin, you don't need pets to hit a moving monster anymore.

[Greatguardian]

I believe people were naming targets that Summoner was not capping Accuracy on, and thus most definitely not capping pDIF on.

The comeback that "Summoner doesn't need Kirin drops" is wholly irrelevant, and detracts from the very legitimate point that Summoner is not natively capping accuracy on Kirin. That's all.

[Alhanelem]

The comeback that "Summoner doesn't need Kirin drops" is wholly irrelevant,

It's not a comeback. The point is the monster itself is irrelevant. Not just to summoner, but to basically everyone. I don't give two rats behinds if summoner can't cap accuracy or pDIF on it. I'm not going to be fighting it, nor is anyone else I know.

the very legitimate point that Summoner is not natively capping accuracy on Kirin.

It's not a legitimate point.

For the record, Kirin is level 92. I cast doubt that summoner can't cap accuracy or pDIF.

Hypothetical scenarios using something that is not likely to take place are not effective devices to prove a point.

[Dallas]

I'll give them 2 days to figure out how much accuracy is needed. At that point, I will assume they lied for the sake of lying. I have 85 more staff skill than I did at L75. I also have a few BPs up my sleeve that didn't find use in the Abyssea scenario.

I do believe the 2-h update was when everyone started to zerg Kirin, so obviously accuracy wasn't an issue for 75 WAR then. What I "hear" them saying is that a 75 WAR can out DD a Hverg SMN, which of course is wrong.