[dev1017] Job Adjustments and Refinements (Re: Ninja)

[Vold]

Please do not make a simple post just for the purpose of “bumping” a thread.

just sayin'

I doubt so very seriously that you will ever see Ichi overwrite Ni because of one atma that exists.

And for the record while on my Ninja, I have yet to use apoc because there are better options.

[Bulrogg]

while on off-topic, what is better than Superior Triple attack?

any yeah, while having QM proc while trying to go from Ni > Ichi it can suck. But I don't see it being such a problem SE with make Ni overwrite Ichi.

[Louispv]

In my opinion, Utsusemi: Ni with one shadow should be read as a weaker tier than utsusemi: Ichi with 3 shadows. Same with stoneskin. If a newly cast one has more hp to absorb it should overwrite, if it has less it shouldn't. Though maybe that's a coding nightmare, I don't know.

[Alderin]

just sayin'

I doubt so very seriously that you will ever see Ichi overwrite Ni because of one atma that exists.

And for the record while on my Ninja, I have yet to use apoc because there are better options.

Eh, I have seen threads being bumped many times. This board gets filled with rubbish when useful posts get buried and hidden.

As for apoc - if we are speaking on pure DPS - there is currently no better atma combination then RR/GH/Apoc. Name an atma and I will even parse it for you.

In my opinion, Utsusemi: Ni with one shadow should be read as a weaker tier than utsusemi: Ichi with 3 shadows. Same with stoneskin. If a newly cast one has more hp to absorb it should overwrite, if it has less it shouldn't. Though maybe that's a coding nightmare, I don't know.

Which brings up my point exactly. There are very little NM's where you will start casting ichi > 3-4 shadows already up.

1-2 shadows should be seen as an inferior buff (eg. A damaged / weaker stoneskin gets overwritten by a fresh one) - so why not Ichi > Ni when you have under 3 shadows?

[Nynja]

Once again...since you didnt answer it:

What are you fighting in Abyssea that you must absolutely rely on keeping shadows up all the time, or cant even go Ni>Ni?

[Ihnako]

Why don't you party, keep hate, let the WHM do it's job and kirr what ever you have to kirr.

I like apoc - just for triple attack and the feeling that I don't need a raise in case something takes away more hp than I have.
And I feel SE made the atma right the way it is. It has everything you could wish for - quickmagiv for those who use magic, triple attack for anyone who does melee damage and the good feeling of "who cares about hp"

In case you don't like quick magic just use a different atma. You just can't have anything without a downside.
I also like Atma of the Sea Daughter but I have to deal with +13,3% slow.

[Taint2]

If Apoc FC goes off just cast again, its instant and no recast timer. Also this issue only happens in easy mode abyssea, just cast ichi in eva gear and you'll never have an issue. You can just wait until all 5ni shadows are gone and then cast. The harder mobs all cast agas which is a good time for ichi, the rest you can almost perma Ni>Ni. The only valid arguement is wasted tools but really how often does that happen?

[Tsukino_Kaji]

If ichi should overwrite ni, then prot should overwrite prot V and all of the other obsurdities therein.

[Kristal]

Or... make Quick Magic not affect non-MP spells. NINs or BRDs have little use for QM as it is.

[Ihnako]

Why do BRDs don't participate from quick magic? And I want a solid answer and not that trigger songs are quick enough.