Do Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean staves lack utility?

[Razushu]

senseless rantings

Dallas you happen to be the one thing everyone here agrees on.

[Alhanelem]

Like I said earlier, I never said they weren't useful, just that they weren't good.

Contradictory statement

[Cream_Soda]

Contradictory statement

Not at all

A is useful
B is useful

B is much more useful than A.

Both are useful, but B is good (better in this case)

The word useful was used in general

The word "good" was used comparatively (to the other options)

If you got any other meaning form it, I either worded it wrong, or you read it wrong, but I'll clear it up now as to what exactly I meant.

Also, I thought you were done here? That only took you 5 minutes.

[Razushu]

Like I said earlier, I never said they weren't useful, just that they weren't good.

You can be useful, but if something else is more useful, I go w/ that and while you're useful, I'd use a word like "average" rather than good.

That's a reasonable answer. Maybe it's the fact I care about my SMN but I throw myself 100% at the discussed role but I( and the people I've played with in this capacity) have always found it good. I'll be honest with you I wouldn't insist on doing it if it was only average. I can't stand being useless or a loose end, I almost dropped pt when I was trying to get Diabolos (because he kept sleeping my avatars and thus crippling me) after the second failed run so they could pick up a non pet job.

[Alhanelem]

Not at all

A is useful
B is useful

B is much more useful than A.

Both are useful, but B is good (better in this case)

The word useful was used in general

The word "good" was used comparatively (to the other options)

If you got any other meaning form it, I either worded it wrong, or you read it wrong, but I'll clear it up now as to what exactly I meant.

Also, I thought you were done here? That only took you 5 minutes.

But I love you so much, you're irresistable, in a you're a troll and I take the bait sort of way.

/leaves

[Leonlionheart]

Does summoner need buffing? Yes, hell yes it does. Is it "the worst job?" No. Not by a million miles. SMN can cure if necessary, buff if necessary, and add some damage while doing either of those things. SMN has unique debuffs (I'll agree its difficult to take advantage of them though) and easily one of the most powerful 2-hours.

Tell me then, who is the worst job?

SCH? Singles nukes better than BLM on average.
PUP? Verethragna and tactical switch says hi
COR? Regain, mage buffs better than anyone (other than ballad refresh), and Wildfire say hi
DRK? 25% JA haste for 3 minutes says hi, giving them capped recast stuns, and oftentimes bigger dps than groups without a BRD
RDM? Still has incredible debuffs making so many fights way easier than they previously were.
BLU? IDC bro we gots procs.

I don't know what you're looking for here. SMN is definitely and without a doubt the job that brings the least to the table. Tiny DPS, next to useless buffs, healing capability is meh.

[Cream_Soda]

Idk, there's also bst and pld

[Leonlionheart]

Idk, there's also bst and pld

lol forgot they existed for a while.

Yep, can't make up an excuse for those jobs. SMN might be third to last

[Korpg]

Saying that BST is useless shows how much you really know about this game.

You guys need to broaden your mind a little and realize that for times where none of your friends are online and have to do whatever you want them to do, you can still kill the NMs you want to kill by yourself.

[Cream_Soda]

There are plenty of jobs that can solo as well or better than bst.