Do Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean staves lack utility?

[Aurara]

I can give 15% haste, 8% attk bonus and 35~dmg enfire full time with room for another buff in the cycle

I can haste the DDs, and let the COR+BRDs give the same(if not better buffs) sans 35 enfire which doesnt stack with haste samba.

[Greatguardian]

I can give 15% haste, 8% attk bonus and 35~dmg enfire full time with room for another buff in the cycle

Hastega is worthless from a DD perspective when there is any other mage already in the party. Please don't start with that again. Enfire also does not stack with the single best en-buff in the entire game, so it's also practically worthless in a competently formed group.

The only thing of merit in the entire post is 8% Attack Boost, and what's that from anyways? I thought Ifrit's favor was DA. Please don't say Warcry?

[Dallas]

GG, just go 4x WAR. All this mage crap just gets in the way of good ole hack'n'slash.

[Razushu]

Hastega is worthless from a DD perspective when there is any other mage already in the party. Please don't start with that again. Enfire also does not stack with the single best en-buff in the entire game, so it's also practically worthless in a competently formed group.

The only thing of merit in the entire post is 8% Attack Boost, and what's that from anyways? I thought Ifrit's favor was DA. Please don't say Warcry?

I'll keep starting with Haste because I have it, and I've yet to be told to let the WHM haste the group so the point is valid.
Because there's always a DNC in the group(not to mention if there was I'd apply a different buff). It's from Crimson howl.

[Cream_Soda]

I'll keep starting with Haste because I have it, and I've yet to be told to let the WHM haste the group so the point is valid.

No, it's not
Group w/ you = everyone has haste
Group w/o you = everyone has haste.

There's no haste gained from you being in the party. You just alleviate the whm the tediousness of casting it fast 4 times vs you casting it once.

[Greatguardian]

I'll keep starting with Haste because I have it, and I've yet to be told to let the WHM haste the group so the point is valid.
Because there's always a DNC in the group(not to mention if there was I'd apply a different buff). It's from Crimson howl.

It doesn't matter if you Haste the group or the WHM Hastes the group. The point is that the group has Haste whether you are there or not.

If there is no SMN, what happens? WHM casts Haste. If there is a SMN, what happens? WHM casts Haste or SMN uses Hastega.

What is the benefit of SMN using Hastega? Not 15% Haste for DDs, because they have that whether or not the SMN is there. The benefit is 120-160~ MP for the WHM, assuming they are still hasting themselves and are not hasting the SMN.

Hastega is not adding Haste. Hastega is adding MP. That is not a DD buff. Heck, it is not even a boon to the WHM unless that 40-53MP/minute they save is the make/break for them running out of MP over time or not. Effective value of Hastega? Convenience. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Alhanelem]

Hastega is worthless from a DD perspective when there is any other mage already in the party. Please don't start with that again.

Incorrect. If there is a summoner present, regardless of who else is in the party that might be WHM or RDM or subbing WHM, Hastega should be used, not Haste. Yes, "If there is a summoner present" is a massive if. But pretending that this is not a fact is ludicrous.

Enfire also does not stack with the single best en-buff in the entire game, so it's also practically worthless in a competently formed group.

Unless you're a red mage, what enspell is better than ifrit's enfire? Don't say haste samba or I'll slap you, because
1) Haste samba is not a spell
2) you're not that much more likely to have a dancer in the party than a summoner
3) It's only "good" if it's from main DNC, where it is twice as effective if merited, but see # 2)

A "competently built" party can include a summoner. Change "competent" to "the best" or "elitist" and then I can agree with you. Dancers are not super common either, so you're not always going to have full merit haste samba. If you have it, sure, you should use it. But enfire is a perfectly good buff to use otherwise. Unless you're in some elitist only club, you're not going to be able to form parties with the top 1% performers all the time.

[Greatguardian]

Incorrect. If there is a summoner present, regardless of who else is in the party that might be WHM or RDM or subbing WHM, Hastega should be used, not Haste. Yes, "If there is a summoner present" is a massive if. But pretending that this is not a fact is ludicrous.

Unless you're a red mage, what enspell is better than ifrit's enfire? Don't say haste samba or I'll slap you, because
1) Haste samba is not a spell
2) you're not that much more likely to have a dancer in the party than a summoner
3) It's only "good" if it's from main DNC, where it is twice as effective if merited, but see number 2)

A "competently built" party can include a summoner. Change "competent" to "the best" or "elitist" and then I can agree with you. Dancers are not super common either, so you're not always going to have full merit haste samba.

I said en-buff, not spell. Haste. Samba. Read Cream Soda's post and my own right above yours.

Also, note my standards when I say "Competent". What competent group does not have at least one Dancer available to them? What competent player is unable to level and gear Dancer at a basic level (basic gear swaps, some +1 AF3, decent non-magian daggers) within a week of playing, tops?

[Cream_Soda]

Incorrect. If there is a summoner present, regardless of who else is in the party that might be WHM or RDM or subbing WHM, Hastega should be used, not Haste. Yes, "If there is a summoner present" is a massive if. But pretending that this is not a fact is ludicrous.

He said from a DD perspective. Learn how to read. The person who benefits from this is the whm or rdm since they save mp not having to cast haste x number of times vs the smns casting it once.

The DDs gain nothing because w/ or w/o the smn, they will have haste regardless.

Unless you're a red mage, what enspell is better than ifrit's enfire? Don't say haste samba or I'll slap you, because
1) Haste samba is not a spell

It doesn't have to be a spell, however, the effect of it is still in the same category and the point is they do not stack. If your first line of defense is "its not a spell" then you should probably rethink your argument, as whether or not its a spell has 0 to do w/ the comparison of samba to enfire

Edit: Wow, I should have figured you'd mess that one up. He's right, he did say en-buff. He never claimed it to be a spell to begin with.

2) you're not that much more likely to have a dancer in the party than a summoner

Doesn't mean they don't stack and that samba isn't better.

3) It's only "good" if it's from main DNC, where it is twice as effective if merited, but see number 2)

It's only at its maximum potential if its merited, even w/ 0 merits, it's still multiple times better than enfire.

[Razushu]

I said en-buff, not spell. Haste. Samba. Read Cream Soda's post and my own right above yours.

Also, note my standards when I say "Competent". What competent group does not have at least one Dancer available to them? What competent player is unable to level and gear Dancer at a basic level (basic gear swaps, some +1 AF3, decent non-magian daggers) within a week of playing, tops?

replace "unable" with "want to" and you see why not everyone has a DNC around full time.