Do Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean staves lack utility?

[Razushu]

Hastega is worthless from a DD perspective when there is any other mage already in the party. Please don't start with that again. Enfire also does not stack with the single best en-buff in the entire game, so it's also practically worthless in a competently formed group.

The only thing of merit in the entire post is 8% Attack Boost, and what's that from anyways? I thought Ifrit's favor was DA. Please don't say Warcry?

I'll keep starting with Haste because I have it, and I've yet to be told to let the WHM haste the group so the point is valid.
Because there's always a DNC in the group(not to mention if there was I'd apply a different buff). It's from Crimson howl.

[Cream_Soda]

I'll keep starting with Haste because I have it, and I've yet to be told to let the WHM haste the group so the point is valid.

No, it's not
Group w/ you = everyone has haste
Group w/o you = everyone has haste.

There's no haste gained from you being in the party. You just alleviate the whm the tediousness of casting it fast 4 times vs you casting it once.

[Greatguardian]

I'll keep starting with Haste because I have it, and I've yet to be told to let the WHM haste the group so the point is valid.
Because there's always a DNC in the group(not to mention if there was I'd apply a different buff). It's from Crimson howl.

It doesn't matter if you Haste the group or the WHM Hastes the group. The point is that the group has Haste whether you are there or not.

If there is no SMN, what happens? WHM casts Haste. If there is a SMN, what happens? WHM casts Haste or SMN uses Hastega.

What is the benefit of SMN using Hastega? Not 15% Haste for DDs, because they have that whether or not the SMN is there. The benefit is 120-160~ MP for the WHM, assuming they are still hasting themselves and are not hasting the SMN.

Hastega is not adding Haste. Hastega is adding MP. That is not a DD buff. Heck, it is not even a boon to the WHM unless that 40-53MP/minute they save is the make/break for them running out of MP over time or not. Effective value of Hastega? Convenience. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Cream_Soda]

If the SMN is hasting the party, the SMN is contributing Haste. Try to rise above the stupidity drilled into your head by BG.

this was covered twice

selective reading hurr durr and yea Korpg is a huge tard for coming to his assumption that I came here to support/cheer you on, lol

No, it's not
Group w/ you = everyone has haste
Group w/o you = everyone has haste.

There's no haste gained from you being in the party. You just alleviate the whm the tediousness of casting it fast 4 times vs you casting it once.

It doesn't matter if you Haste the group or the WHM Hastes the group. The point is that the group has Haste whether you are there or not.

If there is no SMN, what happens? WHM casts Haste. If there is a SMN, what happens? WHM casts Haste or SMN uses Hastega.

What is the benefit of SMN using Hastega? Not 15% Haste for DDs, because they have that whether or not the SMN is there. The benefit is 120-160~ MP for the WHM, assuming they are still hasting themselves and are not hasting the SMN.

Hastega is not adding Haste. Hastega is adding MP. That is not a DD buff. Heck, it is not even a boon to the WHM unless that 40-53MP/minute they save is the make/break for them running out of MP over time or not. Effective value of Hastega? Convenience. Nothing more, nothing less.

Whether you have the smn or not, you get haste.

Let's say you have a brd and get dual marches.

remove the bard, you no longer have marches.

There's a difference.

[Korpg]

selective reading hurr durr and yea Korpg is a huge tard for coming to his assumption that I came here to support/cheer you on, lol

Well, why else did you come here?

You are just a MNK, you have no say in anything about Emp Staff or Melee SMN.

You are just instigating fights again, why do you even bother?

[Dallas]

Well, why else did you come here?

You are just a MNK, you have no say in anything about Emp Staff or Melee SMN.

You are just instigating fights again, why do you even bother?

Korpg, I flushed out BG for a reason. The simple jobs snuffed out the hybrid jobs because they didn't understand them. As you can see, they still don't understand them.

This is bigger than you and me. That's why I predict this thread will get to 100+ posts. BG can't let mages melee because mages have an unparsable worth. If you can't put two numbers side-by-side, elitists get rid of it. You either do the most damage or help the guy who does the most damage.