Do Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean staves lack utility?

[Byrth]

Errr.... I'm not sure what happened, but:
1) Haste Samba can be very useful, especially if you have a BRD/WHM. In comparison, most of Summoner's buffs (including several of the ones named) aren't worth the time it takes to use them.
2) Stoneskin from WHM/SCH caps at 350 without Stoneskin enhancing gear. If I get bored later, I'll go see how high I can pump Titan's up. If anyone else wants to test, the best way would be:
* Earthen Ward with full skill gear
* Send him after a cactaur in Western Altepa.
* Do about 75% damage to the Cactaur (should be 1-2 TP moves) and then heel him if 1000 needles hasn't gone off yet.
* Spam Dia/Dia II on the Cactaur until it uses 1000 Needles.

[Razushu]

Players have a lot more free time than they realize. A lot of it is just used up thinking about things. After you've played this game for long enough, you really don't need to stop and think any more. When all you need to do is act, you find yourself scrambling to find more things to do to prevent downtime and boredom.

Well I guess we have that in common then lol, I found ways to fill my time to. Like I keep saying I'm not trying to convince people that SMN = support king, but if you have a dedicated SMN it can do well enought that the party will notice an improvement worth having the SMN there.

[Dallas]

What question? A solo WAR with absolutely zero buffs versus a solo SMN?

WAR/SAM with Ukon 90, RCB and Hasso, level 95 target with 420 def 85 VIT, SS/RR/Apoc: 356.831

SMN/SAM with Hvergelmir 90, RBC, Haste, and Hasso, same target: 176.057

Garuda brings that up to 288, give or take.

That's not a 7% difference (hint: it's about 25%). It's also heavily in Summoner's favor because they're getting Haste and the WAR isn't.

And the SMN isn't getting Warcry, and the WAR isn't getting healed. It's a start, but we know that WAR is subbing /DNC.

EDIT: oh, and SMN know what food is too. I am well over 600 attack solo.

[Aurara]

You dont make ANY sense, why would the war sub dnc?

[Razushu]

Errr.... I'm not sure what happened, but:
1) Haste Samba can be very useful, especially if you have a BRD/WHM. In comparison, most of Summoner's buffs (including several of the ones named) aren't worth the time it takes to use them.
2) Stoneskin from WHM/SCH caps at 350 without Stoneskin enhancing gear. If I get bored later, I'll go see how high I can pump Titan's up. If anyone else wants to test, the best way would be:
* Earthen Ward with full skill gear
* Send him after a cactaur in Western Altepa.
* Do about 75% damage to the Cactaur (should be 1-2 TP moves) and then heel him if 1000 needles hasn't gone off yet.
* Spam Dia/Dia II on the Cactaur until it uses 1000 Needles.

I'd like to see that test never really used it unless specifically asked or i get bored waiting for fight to start so I've never really worried too much on the math, just took the wiki at face value here

[Dallas]

You dont make ANY sense, why would the war sub dnc?

He's solo. Duh.

[Razushu]

You dont make ANY sense, why would the war sub dnc?

I think so he'll be getting a loss in haste gained and the parse might favor Dallas a little more

[Greatguardian]

Good grief. SMN solos better than WAR.

Everyone in the world knows this. No legitimate point is being proven here.

[Korpg]

It's still the reason why you aren't able to compare YOUR SMN, which hasn't showed up on the radar.

Because I'm not stupid like you and make baseless remarks saying "I can do more damage than an Ukon WAR"

As far as I've seen, there has been no explanation of the following "mathies" flaws:

1) Why they think there is always a pt of exactly 6. Doesn't happen.
2) Why that non-existant pt always has 3 types of haste, only one healer and a WAR who subs /SAM. Doesn't happen.
3) Why a WAR with 80% haste is worried about the WHM running out of MP (in abyssea) instead of the WHM keeping up with heals.
4) Why they think that Ukon math extends to every DD with every weapon.
5) Why SMN being one of the buffers (and backup healers) counts for nothing, and that only DD matters.
6) Why it's OK for a WAR to drop /SAM to fight the claims in #5, as if it does nothing to their epeen setup in #2. They lose Hasso and their Haste Samba is half potency if they use it.
7) WARs are scared to death of the unbuffed maths. Why is that?

Ok then:

1) Because 6+ parties don't exist. Well, for you they don't, but everyone else?
2) Because the best damage comes from capped haste. In case you didn't know, because you aren't a DD, there are 3 types of haste: gear, magic, and job ability. Well, you need 3 jobs to give you those 3 types of haste to cap, since job ability haste (outside of DRK) can't be capped without 2 of those jobs. But nobody expected you to know that.
3) Believe it or not, things hit for more than 20 damage per hit. WARs can tank, really easy, which is saying much more than what you can do. Nobody expected you to know that, since you can't do enough damage to get to the top of the hate list, so here you go. More damage = higher enmity = tanking. Broke it down to your reading comprehension I hope. Sorry for the lack of colors, I didn't bring any crayons.
4) Because there are more Ukons than Emp staves out there? They were giving you the benefit of the doubt, made you look really good, and yet, WAR still beat you 5 to 1.
5) Because your argument of beating a Ukon WAR in total damage ability.
6) Your reading comprehension sucks, you know that, right? That was not the argument, the argument was Haste vs Haste Samba.
7) Buffed Math made SMNs look good. You want unbuffed Math instead? Why? So the difference would be 10 to 1 in favor of WAR?

You were the one spouting your mouth off. Everyone has proven you wrong, why haven't you learned to shush and saved yourself even more embarrassment on your part? Everyone who reads this thread is never going to take anything you say, and you keep giving everyone more reason to ignore you. If not for the sake of everyone, for your sake, just stop typing and log out of this forum.

[Razushu]

He's solo. Duh.

then why is the SMN/SAM?