Do Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean staves lack utility?

[Greatguardian]

Again yes things will out Damage me, yes they will out buff me yes they will out heal me. but all at the same time I doubt it with the exception of RDM and SCH maybe but hate can become a problem.
DNCs one buff isn't better than all SMN buffs.
BRD this BRD /WHM to heal pull and DD?
WHM yes great DDs but I've yet to see one main heal and buff and while DDing

The fact we can do all three easily at the same time is a good reason to except us.

I'm not trying to say we'll out perform anything just that we perform well enough make usm a worthwhile invite

Okay, I'm sorry, but just because you haven't seen a player good enough to do all 3 at the same time doesn't mean it's not very possible and it happens plenty. Personally, I'm more than capable of healing and buffing while DD'ing on my White Mage.

I also never claimed Brd was pulling while DD'ing. They can heal, they can March/Ballad, and they can DD simultaneously. I brought up pulling as a testament to just how much free time Bards have in parties.

And yes. DNC's one buff really, really is. Especially if there's already a bard in the party. But even if there isn't, it is.

[Razushu]

ISays the "OH NO! 500 DAMAGE!" wimp!

Any attack that takes 63% of your life is a threat unless you're an idiot. Dude Don't all people a wimp because of how they play a character in a game it makes you sound pathetic it really does.

My point was that if you we're needed to spam AoE cures to keep the party alive(this is as well as the WHM healing) a SMN should really be nowhere near it

[Dallas]

Any attack that takes 63% of your life is a threat unless you're an idiot.

500/.63 = 800 HP in Abyssea?

[Razushu]

Okay, I'm sorry, but just because you haven't seen a player good enough to do all 3 at the same time doesn't mean it's not very possible and it happens plenty. Personally, I'm more than capable of healing and buffing while DD'ing on my White Mage.

I also never claimed Brd was pulling while DD'ing. They can heal, they can March/Ballad, and they can DD simultaneously. I brought up pulling as a testament to just how much free time Bards have in parties.

And yes. DNC's one buff really, really is. Especially if there's already a bard in the party. But even if there isn't, it is.

You misunderstand I've never seen a player have enough free time to do all 3 without atleast 1 of them being sacrificed.

I can pull too never tried it while DD/buffing/support though but I'd say I'm just as capable of doing it as your BRD.

Again theres usually a THF or NIN /DNC in a group so why waste the spot on DNC if they're there for the buff

[Razushu]

500/.63 = 800 HP in Abyssea?

I'm talking about outside Abyssea, I mean what NMs are you fighting that they only do 500 in an attack to a SMN in Abyssea

I was worried you couldn't count way to point out what everyone in the thread probably eyeballed

[Dallas]

I'm talking about outside Abyssea, I mean what NMs are you fighting that they only do 500 in an attack to a SMN in Abyssea

Seeing how rarely I die, I'm guessing most of them.

[Greatguardian]

GG will avoid the question as long as it benefits the BG cause.

What question? A solo WAR with absolutely zero buffs versus a solo SMN?

WAR/SAM with Ukon 90, RCB and Hasso, level 95 target with 420 def 85 VIT, SS/RR/Apoc: 356.831

SMN/SAM with Hvergelmir 90, RBC, Haste, and Hasso, same target: 176.057

Garuda brings that up to 288, give or take.

That's not a 7% difference (hint: it's about 25%). It's also heavily in Summoner's favor because they're getting Haste and the WAR isn't.

[Razushu]

Seeing how rarely I die, I'm guessing most of them.

I'm beginning to think you're not as stupid as you come across and you carefully select what you melee on as opposed to the persona of "OMG SMN melee is the best thing EVAR! I do it on everything" you push here

[Greatguardian]

You misunderstand I've never seen a player have enough free time to do all 3 without atleast 1 of them being sacrificed.

I can pull too never tried it while DD/buffing/support though but I'd say I'm just as capable of doing it as your BRD.

Again theres usually a THF or NIN /DNC in a group so why waste the spot on DNC if they're there for the buff

Players have a lot more free time than they realize. A lot of it is just used up thinking about things. After you've played this game for long enough, you really don't need to stop and think any more. When all you need to do is act, you find yourself scrambling to find more things to do to prevent downtime and boredom.

[Aurara]

It's still the reason why you aren't able to compare YOUR SMN, which hasn't showed up on the radar.

As far as I've seen, there has been no explanation of the following "mathies" flaws:

1) Why they think there is always a pt of exactly 6. Doesn't happen.
2) Why that non-existant pt always has 3 types of haste, only one healer and a WAR who subs /SAM. Doesn't happen.
3) Why a WAR with 80% haste is worried about the WHM running out of MP (in abyssea) instead of the WHM keeping up with heals.
4) Why they think that Ukon math extends to every DD with every weapon.
5) Why SMN being one of the buffers (and backup healers) counts for nothing, and that only DD matters.
6) Why it's OK for a WAR to drop /SAM to fight the claims in #5, as if it does nothing to their epeen setup in #2. They lose Hasso and their Haste Samba is half potency if they use it.
7) WARs are scared to death of the unbuffed maths. Why is that?

Nobody is scared of an unbuffed war, it is still better dmg than smn. Now you're just grasping for straws because your argument holds no water.