Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

[Sagian]

That's even dumber than raising the level requirement.

Justify why it's dumb or stop trolling.

[Starcade]

That's even dumber than raising the level requirement.

No it's not. It'd be a better way to curtail the abuse.

[rog]

Justify why it's dumb or stop trolling.

Dual wield war.
drk's best weapon in abyssea is axe, because of the crit ws, which is not a weapon type they are intended to use.
No skill matters in exp parties for rdm, whm, or smn.

etc.

Not only would it prevent leeches, it'll also prevent people who have legitimate reasons for not being skilled up in their main wepaon.

[chubrocka]

I'd like to see it not entered till level 75. New area exp should take place after you've played the game and skilled up like all others before. Just my two cents.

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Maybe we can get back to the posting???? I thought it said raise level for abby not where the last few pages are??? Is there anyt moderators in the forum to move posts?

[Sagian]

Dual wield war.
drk's best weapon in abyssea is axe, because of the crit ws, which is not a weapon type they are intended to use.
No skill matters in exp parties for rdm, whm, or smn.

etc.

Not only would it prevent leeches, it'll also prevent people who have legitimate reasons for not being skilled up in their main wepaon.

None of that matters as long as they keep their major skills at a certain level, which they may be encouraged to do outside of Abyssea. How do rdm, whm, and smn skills not matter?

[Meyi]

I like it being 30+.

It takes a lot of the irritation out of gaining experience and gives people more time to enjoy the game. It helps with subjobs. Some of my friends figured out jobs they took all the way up with Abyssea faster than I did when I leveled it oldschool 1~75. ^^; So abyssea does not mean a person cannot learn...

[Greatguardian]

Now Abyssea leeching is an exploit. Okay.

I'll not bother replying to your replies to me because it's fairly obvious you can't read, and completely parroted back the exact reasons I said you were wrong.

I do find it funny, however, that you believe you have the right to dictate how FFXI should be played. As I recall, that is Square Enix and Square Enix alone's prerogative. Unless you're best friends with Sundi and Tanaka and are thus conveying their will, let them speak for themselves. Since it's obvious that they haven't declared Abyssea leeching an exploit, it is thus acceptable.

When SE found out about Salvage duping, they declared it an exploit and had an emergency maint (and banned people who intentionally exploited it *instead* of telling GMs because it was hidden for so long). When SE found out about Ironclad freezing and that crap with Amhuluk, they declared it an exploit and had an emergency maint. SE knows about Abyssea leeching, and have not declared it any sort of exploit or had an emergency maint to remove it. Therefore, Abyssea Leeching is legal. Hell, it is legitimate. Call a GM on a key-leecher if you want, see how well that goes.

If this makes you feel that Square Enix is simply not enforcing their game properly and enabling bad players, it is your *Responsibility* to stop supporting that "Illegitimate" company and just quit. You're not really worth the lulz.

[Rubeus]

hmm.. people are all complaining about relative intelligence by gear choice. This is altogether confusing, because as a THF I gear as a double/triple attack thief with an emphasis on haste and dual wield+. Most mithra thieves gear purely for DEX and ATK. you can't always tell if a person is a "bad player" at first glance without understanding what they've merited and what their gear-swaps are and what they were aiming for. there is no "1 right way" to play a job.

and at the idea of raising the xp outside abyssea again? Does anyone actually realize how wasteful that actually would be? I'm not going to run from Bastok to Dunes in less than an hour from 1-12 and then dunes to qufim 12-21 and then qufim to jungles 25-32 and then altepa or garlaige and then other altepa or CN and then ... do you see how time-consuming that would be? deal with the fact that abyssea is easier.

^ totally agree with Unaisis on P15: make it DC exp chains and lengthen the time. maybe make it so you have to have signet (or equivalent) on to get that bonus. that's a fair way to do it. also, maybe make chains cap beyond 300 or whatever it is depending on area, maybe to 600. make rings not useless save for once a day. or you could even add a Title for getting an xp chain over say, 500. that way you could tell a bad player from a good one. would that make you who want "nostalgia" happy, and you who still want to abyssea and just don't care happy? the nostalgia people get what they want and the pragmatic people still get to do abyssea.

everyone's whining about "all the stupid players." has anyone stopped to think that, just perhaps, some of them aren't ignorant, just uninformed? if a brand-new player reads this thread, they're going to quit today because people are so insensitive to a source of XP they -thought- they SHOULD be monopolizing on (because of popular opinion they received on the server, etc). This means that ultimately if you said to XYZ player "hey you can skip these spells but these ones here are -really- important. blah blah (same for gear) (same for tactics of pulling/curing/etc)" THEY'D LEARN and PROBABLY be grateful. Stop demonizing the game.

[Ilax]

Maybe we can get back to the posting???? I thought it said raise level for abby not where the last few pages are??? Is there anyt moderators in the forum to move posts?

I already raised the question many time, already pointed how this was derailing, moderator must be busy somewhere else. Because i read up the 'agreement' and this if by far not respecting it by multiple clause.

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Please MOD come clear this (Review Starcade Post and who derailed with him), so we all can go back talk to the initial topic.

[Greatguardian]

The initial topic has been talked to death anyways. Both sides say the exact same things pretty much every single post. "Don't tell others how to play the game" on one side, and "Abyssea caused 12/10/2012 and made all the new players quit" on the other. Really, no one is going to get anything more at all out of this. It was a useless thread to begin with. I don't mind if it gets locked/removed or whatnot, I'm just enjoying watching Starcade embarrass himself.