Neo Dynamis - Beaucedine

[Yinnyth]

Let me start off by saying that I would be lying if I said there is nothing about the Dynamis changes that I like. However, the things I dislike about the changes far outweigh the things that I do like. Beaucedine is by far the epitome of everything I hate about neo Dynamis. Keep in mind that many of the things I am about to list actually apply to all of the neo zones, but in general this post is regarding Beaucedine specifically.

Let's see, where to start... ah yes, let's start with the reason people do events in the first place:

Rewards:
For the most part, Dynamis rewards suck. Sell price on the NPC-able stuff was nerfed by 90%. Currency drop rates were nerfed. AF2 drop rates seem higher than ever, but we were maxed out on that stuff a year before these changes even happened. The vast majority of the new equipment sucks, and the stuff that doesn't suck is ridiculously hard to obtain. The exp was a nice touch, but the amount earned is laughable (which I suppose is fitting seeing how bad the exp papers from Dynamis have always been). My LS members sometimes ask me "Why are we still doing this?" and I honestly don't have a very good answer. It's a crapton of work for very little reward.

Zone enormity:
This is one of the biggest "wtf" things in Beauc. It's a sprawling zone and it takes over 10 minutes to run from the rearguard eye to the orc timestone. After that pleasant run, you get to run all the way back up to farm hydra corps for pop items. After you get the pop items and kill the 4 neo NMs, you get to run ALL THE WAY BACK DOWN to pop Arch Angra Mainyu. In the original Beauc, I could at least plot efficient courses where we wouldn't spend longer than 3 minutes without fighting something. Now we wind up spending almost half of the 2 hours permitted in the zone running around with sneak and invis on.

Pop items:
I'm grateful for all the extra pack space we've gotten recently, but holding pop items for Dynamis is not really what I was thinking I'd be using it for. Aside from being completely contrary to what Dynamis has been before the update, it takes up space and adds a new level of frustration to dynamis. My LS has spent the last 2 runs farming the higher level Hydra Corps and we have yet to get a single Odious Mirror pop item. We've killed the other 3 neo NMs, but we just can't get the freaking mirror to drop. Everyone in the LS has tossed an Odious Talisman at least twice now, but we have gotten ZERO mirrors. That is infuriating.

Enemy difficulty:
Hydra corps are harder than any other dynamis mob. They're sight/sound aggro/link mobs who don't sleep and hit harder than the kindreds in Xarc. Hitaume (the neo RNG NM) one-shot our mnk/nin with EES. That might seem normal until you consider that this mnk/nin had scherzo from a bard that had +4 to scherzo and 386 singing, 375 wind skill. Also didn't have counterstance on. Also had a fresh cure V with afflatus solace on. Also had protectra V with 4 merits into it. In general the hydra corps hit harder and take a beating much better than any other family of mobs in dynamis, plus they can't be pulled en masse because they can't be slept.

!! Yinnyth's attack staggers the fiend!
Really? Proccing in Dynamis? Because holding the enemy and spamming weak stuff until you see "!!" when you could have had them dead an hour ago was just so much fun in Abyssea that you had to move it to Dynamis? Granted, it helps to balance out the fact that Dynamis mobs are harder than they used to be, and I'm glad it doesn't require you to proc while the enemy isn't casting, WSing, or stunned, but this was a bad idea in general. Worse still was linking the procs to the timestones, especially for Beauc. If we want to farm pop items, we're going to need to be able to proc. In order to proc, we need timestones. Timestones and the stuff we need to farm are on opposite ends of the zone, so at least 1 person gets to run down to all the timestones, and all the way back up. Fun stuff.

Timestone glitch:
The gobbie timestone sometimes spawns down near the yagudo timestone. Why?


TL;DR:
Neo Dynamis sucks, Neo Beaucedine ssssuuuuuUUUUUUUCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKSSSSSSSSSSS!
(it sucks)

Edit: I don't really think this came across very well the first time I wrote this, so I'd like to give a better summary of what I'm trying to say. My dislike of the dynamis changes aside, it is my opinion that Beaucedine is particularly harder in nearly every way than any other area of the neo-dynamis. As such, I would like to see Beaucedine rebalanced to make it faster for groups to hit the timestones, and hydra corps scaled down in difficulty in one or many ways (make them sleepable, for example). Taking both of those steps would go a long way in addressing the majority of my complaints about the zone.

[Bumbeen]

Also had protectra V with 4 merits into it.

What a waste of merits.

edit: also why the crying about dying in dynamis? Have you ever done dynamis before?

[Ravenmore]

Why would you even bother doing this zone, other then af2, wins, or relic item farming. Wait those are the same reasons people did it under the old system. People wanted harder content they got it.

[Yinnyth]

What a waste of merits.

edit: also why the crying about dying in dynamis? Have you ever done dynamis before?

Mule whm whose almost sole purpose is buffing and curing me and my friend whom I frequently duo with. Any extra merits into sacrifice would be wasted since the mule is almost never in a party with anyone else who has any sort of MP pool. Ever trolled around BG? Then you've probably stumbled upon the phrase !@#$ is situational.

I've been doing Dynamis for longer than you've been trolling. Since about half a year after Dynamis came out. I've even been leading a Dynamis linkshell for the past 5 years or so. I opposed the changes as soon as they were announced, and I continue to oppose them to this day. If you think the changes are good, make the argument and give reasons. Share your positive experiences with Dynamis as I have shared my negative experiences. That is how people constructively discuss something instead of dismissing a point without even understanding it, though I suppose asking someone of your mental stature to "understand" something is a fruitless endeavor. Please, by all means though, continue trolling this thread. Perhaps the extra posts will help bring this to the attention of SE.

Also, love the wahhhhhhh tag.

Why would you even bother doing this zone, other then af2, wins, or relic item farming. Wait those are the same reasons people did it under the old system. People wanted harder content they got it.

It takes more time and more effort to obtain something that is increasingly outclassed by other weapons (hi empy). My linkshell had farming currency for our sponsors down to a science. Before you say "just do CoP zones then", I'd like you to know that CoP zones put out less than half the currency of pre-nerf cities without even factoring hundos into the equation. We did CoPs for entertainment, but as a primary source of currency it would cost as much to finish a relic (fully sponsored) now as it did back when Dynamis was first released (and the ingame economy is not nearly as inflated as it was back then (hi rusty caps)).

As for why we're doing Beauc specifically, it's for drops off the neoboss. As for people wanting harder content, it's unfair to lump all "people" outside of yourself in the same category. We are all individuals, we all have different wants, so you cannot dismiss one person's concerns with another anonymous person's generalized statement. I want harder content, but I want the reward to match the difficulty. This is harder and less rewarding, and as I stated back when these changes were first announced, Dynamis will go the way of WoE if these problems are not soon addressed.

Though from your phrasing, I'm guessing you'd be ok with that. You have nothing invested in Dynamis, so you don't care what happens. If I'm completely wrong and you actually have different reasons for liking the changes, please, share those reasons.

[Ravenmore]

So all those threads complaining about how easy FF11 has become don't mean anything. Stop farming as a single group its that easy. Many 3 man groups going after there own groups of mobs will pay off in more coins. Don't have to put up 500k anymore so no need to sell coins to fund the next run. Can do it every day. It'll go the way of WoEs since few people want to fund/work for other people toys. Now people don't need a LS to get the last of the AF2 they may want there is no need need to stay with them. Every time I see "we fund people's relic" first thing that comes to mind is leader gets one then maybe his buddies.

I like it for the simple fact that after years of waiting couple of my friends being at the end of the line for rdm hat they now all have it thanks to the new dyna. I can go in with 2 or 3 of my friends and walk out with a massive amount of gil. If I ever take up thf or rdm I won't have to put up with spon/leaders city runs to get north land gear list goes on.

[Byrth]

http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Odious_Mirror

When you do find your Odious Mirror, let me know what drops it!

[Neika]

I honestly like the new dynamis. It's nice to be able to just go duo stuff with my boyfriend for gear/currency when we want to instead of having to join a linkshell and having to wait for months before I get enough "points" to lot the gear I want. I do kind of wish they would change the dynamis beaucedine boss a bit though.... You can get the city clears with a small group, but beaucedine is kinda rough with those dragons since you can't kite them as far anymore

[Yinnyth]

Many 3 man groups going after there own groups of mobs will pay off in more coins. Don't have to put up 500k anymore so no need to sell coins to fund the next run. Can do it every day.

It is certainly true that you make more coins per man hour by splitting up and farming as several small, capable groups of players. My LS "sponsor" (if you can even call it that anymore) and I sometimes duo Windy in our free time to help speed up the sponsorship, though it is still fairly slow going. The higher tier goals in Dynamis are what really seems like a waste, honestly.

Every time I see "we fund people's relic" first thing that comes to mind is leader gets one then maybe his buddies.

After I had been leading the LS for a while, I finally managed to make the money to run for sponsorship myself. I posted my application to sponsor and when the previous sponsor finished, we held a vote. I won by 1 vote, but stepped down and let the runner-up sponsor first even though this was a guy who had like 7 mules and a Dynamis linkshell of his own that he would just play different characters in. About 2 months after he finished, he never showed up again.

It is an annoying truth that most of the people who get relics don't deserve them, but there are a few good people who get a relic, and my LS has a few of them.

Dynamis has always sucked, why the bitching?

Says you. Dynamis was my favorite ingame event before the changes. And if you refer to my first post, you'll see my reasons for being a crybaby. Though I could come up with more reasons if you'd like another wall of text to boil down into clever manipulations of the word "wahhhhh".

I honestly like the new dynamis. It's nice to be able to just go duo stuff with my boyfriend for gear/currency when we want to instead of having to join a linkshell and having to wait for months before I get enough "points" to lot the gear I want. I do kind of wish they would change the dynamis beaucedine boss a bit though.... You can get the city clears with a small group, but beaucedine is kinda rough with those dragons since you can't kite them as far anymore

That's one thing I'm surprised other linkshells hadn't really improved despite the droprate changes on AF2 twice. The 2 or 3 months of runs we did before the changes, we were getting so much AF2 that no one needed any more. Anytime we got a new member, they'd get pretty much everything they wanted in a few weeks, then they'd go *poof*. As for the Beauc boss, it just takes one really good kiter with some movespeed, or just a few really strong DD if you just want to zerg him. I think Kirs parsed him at 9k HP or something like that.

Farming Dynamis now for coins and gear is certainly more casual than it used to be. Casual to the point where I won't be able to keep my LS alive if we're always doing stuff that can frankly be solo'd. And maybe that's just the way it should be, but I'm really trying to fight the death of my Dynamis LS.

[Raxiaz]

Rearrange your strategies as a LS in Dynamis. It's really not that hard. You can go in with a full 18 man group or just 3 people. But with all the new changes, none of the old strats for Dynamis will really work. So stop crying and start formulating!

[Vold]

I'm really trying to fight the death of my Dynamis LS.

If your LS dies when it doesn't even need any relic armor then it's your own faults for not adjusting for a new Dynamis. Split up your force into 3 man groups and hop to it(possibly more depending on your targets con), beau sucking in general aside. You should be popping out of Dynamis with money falling out of your pockets. If you're not then you are doing new Dynamis terribly wrong. And you should never ever hold any mob to proc it. Ever. Unless it's a NM.

They really should give us another half a hour to a hour, though. That would help LSs to not have to do it beyond 3-4 days every week to make up for the time lost, not to mention Arch boss farming.... Dynamis is still best done as a linkshell, by a mile. Procs and them being tied to TE was a measure to ensure linkshell dominance by numbers and speed(shipping off a person or three to take out TE doesn't effect a LSs bottom line, but it's a bitch for low man as you lose 15-40 minutes running around with no killing) People need to realize that already and move on before they retardedly kill a good thing for themselves.