Do Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean staves lack utility?

[Alhanelem]

lol BG haters... BG has done more for FFXI than any other community website could hope to do.

And they've also been the most concieted a-holes in the entire community. You can get banned from their forums just for asking a question without doing a research paper on the subject first. And when you get banned, you don't just get banned, you get publicly humiliated. It's an elitists-only club. Everyone would be a lot more thankful for what they've done if they got off their high horses and treated the community at large respectably.

Besides that, I would argue that the community at large has done far more than BG. Yes BG, thank you for the damage formulas and scientific testing of this or that. Thank you everyone else for doing all the hard work to collect information about just about everything else.

Also, Mythic SMN staff does wonders for both melee, BP, and just standing there and letting the avatar do the work.

It would have more use for a melee SMN than an Emp staff would, because not only would your aftermaths help you, you don't have to wait for 300% TP to use them either. Lets not forget that it also benefits the avatar too, but Dallas might not like that at all.

I don't think anyone would dispute that Nirvana is one of the few mythic weapons that's worth the hell you have to go through to get. But it's just pretty much unobtainable to all but the most diehard, insane people. the empy or relic weapons are still very useful to the people who want them and are both way more obtainable. The empy weapon is not that difficult to obtain (though the 85>90 trial is a pain in the ass without a few dedicated friends or a lot of brews) and does the job that people who get it want from it.

[Neisan_Quetz]

You only get banned for asking retarded questions before reading the sticky.

[Alhanelem]

You only get banned for asking retarded questions before reading the sticky.

You get banned for asking any question where any information is avialable anywhere. Any question falls into that category is "retarded" as far as they are concerned.

[Dallas]

It would have more use for a melee SMN than an Emp staff would

Except that you get 0 MP from that WS so you'd have to make all those same concessions in gear, subjobs, and atma that the "do nothing" crowd does. You won't be meleeing well, and your pet will be using magic pacts. Magic atma will suck for DOT, phys atma will suck for BP. Outside Abyssea, the gimp factor is much less noticable.

[Neisan_Quetz]

You get banned for asking any question where any information is avialable anywhere. Any question falls into that category is "retarded" as far as they are concerned.

Uh no? you just sound mayad and wrong since I've seen plenty of questions asked (and asked myself) with no one getting banned. Don't make retarded threads when there's an area for random questions and you won't get banned.

[Azagthoth]

Random Question Thread. If you're completely retarted about starting new threads after being warned, then yes, you'll probably get banned and humiliated.

[Shadotter]

Kinda skipped over most of the discussion on whether a mage can melee as well as a melee, but what are people's thoughts on meleeing as supplemental damage in between nukes or whatever, might be a good way to conserve mp if done right, or could be usefull to open for skillchains and later magic burst off of them.

[Neisan_Quetz]

If your damage isn't worth you being in range of any high damaging TP moves/spells/ debilitating auras you shouldn't be meleeing end of story. If that isn't the case knock yourself out no one cares.

[Alhanelem]

Random Question Thread. If you're completely retarted about starting new threads after being warned, then yes, you'll probably get banned and humiliated.

There's nothing wrong with Random Question Threads. If you're going to warn and ban people over these, then you're a**holes. Go to any other forum, including this one. You'll see random questions all over the place. But do you see anyone hating them for it, or calling for them to be banned? No.

Don't make retarded threads when there's an area for random questions and you won't get banned.

The last time I was there, there was no such area. The BG community is extremely hostile to anyone that isn't as elite as they are. And before you ask, no, I haven't been banned from BG. But if you're going to ban people, just ban them. The whole thing where they change the banned user's avatar to some psychadelic anime dude shaking baby rattles is completely unnecessary, no matter how much they deserved being banned.

Kinda skipped over most of the discussion on whether a mage can melee as well as a melee, but what are people's thoughts on meleeing as supplemental damage in between nukes or whatever, might be a good way to conserve mp if done right, or could be usefull to open for skillchains and later magic burst off of them.

If you didn't skip over the discussion you'd have your answer. You either melee or you don't. If you're a caster mage and you're meleeing, you're still going to be casting your spells, so there's the "supplemental" damage you're talking about. If you're a SMN, you're not casting any spells the vast majority of the time, thus you have the free time to up your "supplemental" damage even more. But for most casters, what with frequent spell casts and typical usage of elemental staves which can't be switched without losing TP and have low DMG ratings anyway, meleeing has no useful function. Summoner with an empy/mythic/relic staff gets away with this because they are using a weapon built for attacking, and do not spend nearly as much time casting spells and such, and their WS (relic or empy) gives them back MP.

[Dallas]

Kinda skipped over most of the discussion on whether a mage can melee as well as a melee, but what are people's thoughts on meleeing as supplemental damage in between nukes or whatever, might be a good way to conserve mp if done right, or could be usefull to open for skillchains and later magic burst off of them.

That's the trick, isn't it? It's always more damage than the person who doesn't melee. Those people then bring WAR and BRD into the discussion, and it gets all kinds of stupid in here.