Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

[Orson]

People are entitled to their opinion dude lol. Yes, this is has taken away from people who like 6-man. On the flip side, you are saying "I like my fast exp, those of you who don't, tough luck." It's the same argument that you are complaining that she is making except from the opposite point of view.

Bottom line is that some people love it, some people hate it. But really, why troll people for differing opinions (oh right, the internet). All you can really do is give your opinion on the situation, and let others give theirs.

Saying "force people to exp the way I like to exp or don't let them exp at all," isn't an opinion. It's blatantly an biased demand.

[cnedra]

let everyone decide for him/her self ppl who want be my guest its just gonna be hard to be really good at it till you have skilled it. But yes atfirst i was like 30 is to low also.

[Starcade]

What law, praytell, would Abyssea leechers be breaking?

There at least used to be a "law" which allowed Square-Enix to remove any account which exploited the game in any way in which the creators did not intend. It was basically used as a catch-all to cover any future exploits that the creators didn't think of.

Legality is related to legitimacy, however the adjective "Legal" specifically refers to a function of Law and not equity. As funny as it is to hear him call players illegitimate, illegal is quite wrong.

Actually, vis-a-vis FFXI, that's two different concepts. Otherwise, you'd have seen bans for every Souleating DRK or every SCH that annihilated Absolute Virtue. The moves were legal, but they were not considered legitimate. Two different mechanisms.

[Starcade]

I don't think that word (legality) means what you think it means.

There's a reason I post this, both with respect to the players' conduct and with respect to Square-Enix' conduct:

(From uslegal.com, through The Market Ticker)

"Fraud is generally defined in the law as an intentional misrepresentation of material existing fact made by one person to another with knowledge of its falsity and for the purpose of inducing the other person to act, and upon which the other person relies with resulting injury or damage. Fraud may also be made by an omission or purposeful failure to state material facts, which nondisclosure makes other statements misleading."

If I had known, before I started, that the rank-and-file players of FFXI were so abusive and spit at the rules so much, I'd never have started this game. There is no way that I could recommend this game to anybody in the MMO market, unless and until most of the American player-base is probably eliminated, because of the griefing, abuse, illegality, and fraud which is all over FFXI.

(And, really, isn't that, to some degree, why the request which this thread started with was made? The amount of abuse which Abyssea absolutely appears to encourage by the players is one of the reasons I think the argument of raising the level requirement for Abyssea has significant merit!)

[Starcade]

I think what some of you are failing to realize is the deterrent to leeching say nin from 30-90 then main tanking the next day is YOU SUCK! You have to take the time to play catchup to some sort of degree on the job before you play it. Even if you have the skills from another job you still don't know the new jobs play style and it will show. Now someone sucking in abyssea wow like that's not new but people do get sick of it quick and stop asking these retards to join them. Just my two cents

In a game which encourages so much abuse, and doesn't really start until you hit the level cap (Protip: 3/4 of the characters on, at any given time, are at the level cap...), what deterrent does "YOU SUCK" have, in any real respect?

Answer: None.

[Starcade]

Saying "force people to exp the way I like to exp or don't let them exp at all," isn't an opinion. It's blatantly an biased demand.

I'd say "Force people to actually play the damned game." You could get to the point that Abyssea could be openly used as a manner in which RMT could get a level 90 rather quickly and then try to avoid the RMT PWNER v. 1.337 long enough to do some real damage again.

[Avina]

Saying "force people to exp the way I like to exp or don't let them exp at all," isn't an opinion. It's blatantly an biased demand.

Uh, last I checked, she didn't demand anything. She was explaining what she perceived was a problem and was posting her opinion on it. All she did was say she thinks it should be raised and she gave some reasons for saying that. You know, something that supposedly an online forum is supposed to encourage, and her reply was markedly more polite than any of the replies she got from people who seem apparently terrified to lose their precious exp.

But seriously, take some time to actually read someone's post before you try to spin it in the worst possible way.

[Starcade]

The logic that he's using is the exact same logic I'm applying when I'm saying that he must be Wizzbot.

He says that nobody (not leaving any sort of leeway for anyone... even PS2/360 users who, while it may be possible, would have one hell of a hard time being able to cheat in this game. Anyone who claims they don't cheat is, by his logic, hiding the fact that do in fact cheat.

Since he's the absolutely most outspoken anti-cheat poster in existence, anywhere... well, his logic dictates that it's obviously because he not only cheats like crazy, but he creates those cheats and distributes them.

Also, rofllegality.

The player-base makes it very difficult for me to have any such leeway. There are in fact speculations that even some JP PS2 users have a form of Windower (only speculations, to the best of my knowledge).

I think you better have some words with Square-Enix' Legal Department -- I think they'd be very interested in your claims.

But why would you? You spit at the entire concept of legality, by your own words and admission.

[Sagian]

Put a skill-floor requirement on Abyssea.

If your major skills aren't leveled - no Abyssea for you!

[rog]

Put a skill-floor requirement on Abyssea.

If your major skills aren't leveled - no Abyssea for you!

That's even dumber than raising the level requirement.