Do Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean staves lack utility?

[Raksha]

Well, with a full emp +2 gear, with either a fay staff (with -3 perp) or Bahamut's Staff and Evoker's Ring, you can have +1 perp cost (meaning you have +1 mp per tick when avatars are out for those of you guys who don't know) on all avatars outside of day/weather bonuses that gloves give (-1 perp on Caller's Pendant too). That is the best any SMN can get actually. With -2 perp more, can get as much as +3 "Refresh" from gear/traits and that would be the absolute best. Thats just for avatar though, doesn't really affect the player at all except mp usage.

What SE can do that would make us very close (or closer) to actual DDs now would be to reduce BP timers to 30 seconds (either making it so you can't do more than 2 BPs per minute like we are doing, but giving us the choice in WHICH two BPs we want to do, or making it a flat rate of 30 seconds per BPs) and that would give us a shot at being actual DDs. It would make it possible to compete with WARs and NINs now. That is our biggest issue right this minute.

I'm pretty sure avatar perpetuation doesnt go below 1. If you're getting 1mp/tic its probably just from your auto refresh II trait (1 to cancel out that last point of perpetuation, and another to give you the 1mp/tic)

[Korpg]

I'm pretty sure avatar perpetuation doesnt go below 1. If you're getting 1mp/tic its probably just from your auto refresh II trait (1 to cancel out that last point of perpetuation, and another to give you the 1mp/tic)

You forgot to include the +2 refresh from Caller's Horn +2....

[Raksha]

You forgot to include the +2 refresh from Caller's Horn +2....

Yeah i wasn't considering refresh from gear, since it sounded like you were getting 'refresh' from just -perpetuation.

EDIT: yeah sorry must've glossed over the 'full emp +2' part.

My bad.

[Alhanelem]

If you are using physical blood pacts and need to save more MP to get your full refresh potential, you can easily use avatar's favor just for the perp - and it has a minimal effect on physical BPs. The effect on magic BPs is much more significant, on the other hand...

[Dallas]

LOL @ perp staves with full +2 gear. "It's a pretty blue box, so I have to wear it!" Avatars are free without any weapon, if you know how to identify macro gear.

Congratulations, your 20mp/minute will match the MP recovery of a single 300% Myrkr in approximately a hour. Utility!

[Alhanelem]

You know, if you trimmed the attitude off your posts, people might take you a little more seriously...

[Dallas]

The particular person bragging about 1mp refresh outside of Abyssea deserves what he gets, and I'm more than happy to give. I am a generous leader.

[Razushu]

LOL @ perp staves with full +2 gear. "It's a pretty blue box, so I have to wear it!" Avatars are free without any weapon, if you know how to identify macro gear.

Congratulations, your 20mp/minute will match the MP recovery of a single 300% Myrkr in approximately a hour. Utility!

Are you serious? Really I'm starting to think your just a troll. wearing a perp/refresh set is A LITTLE more effienct than 20mp a minute if you wear enough - perp to just negate it your saving 12 mp per tick which is 240MP per minute but seeing as how alot of people have more than enough - perp now chances are there'll be refresh in there too. For myself, and I'm still working on this I get 2 per tick back on Garuda which is 40mp per minute which means thats 280MP a minute I save. Currently trying for Caller's Horn +2 Moonshade earring and Oneiros Grip Which will mean I'll get 5 per tick back on garuda saving a potential 340mp per minute which is "slightly" more than 20mp per minute you seem to think.

By all means melee to maintain avatars but don't skew the numbers in it's favor to make yourself seem right. I wouldn't party with a melee SMN just like I would avoid a melee SCH, BLM etc. but to each thier own, if you like this style and have people in your group willing to let you why not. But don't pretend melee does nothing but add to SMN, sure it adds a little damage but removes alot of our flexiblility and increases danger to the SMN. It can maintain an avatar indefinitely but so will a good perp/refresh set.

[Razushu]

The particular person bragging about 1mp refresh outside of Abyssea deserves what he gets, and I'm more than happy to give. I am a generous leader.

LOL at leader

[Duelle]

SE could actually learn from WoW on this one.

For example Blizzard is making a new Legendary staff for casters in their upcoming patch, the weapon is by far the best for any caster and there is a long quest and farming raids to get it, but in the end they have the best weapon they can get for the current patch and will let them do the most damage with their spells.

So why can't BLM/SMN/SCH/WHM get actual empyeran staffs and club that actually let them perform the best at what they do best which is casting spells?

The new caster legendary is simply following the example of Atiesh (though there were four versions of Atiesh, one for each caster class).

That being said, I agree that the empy's should eclipse the elemental and potency staves bar none. Part of me thinks they want to support meleeing for whatever reason, though.