Anonymous kicking in LSes: Please fix this.

[Unleashhell]

Or the people defending the OP just happen to agree with him and think it's unfair for shit like this to happen.



Uh, I think it will allow the ls to know who the dbag is who is kicking random people so they can get rid of him instead? Wow, that was a tough one.


The OP made a valid suggestion that would be an improvement over the current system. The only one crying here is you, with your "WAAAAH don't waste valuable dev time!". I'm pretty sure if they decided they wanted to add something like this, they could get it done without setting back any of the "important" stuff people want by any significant amount of time.

IDK what you read but I said nothing about the developers wasting time on this. I just made general statements saying the the sackholders are put there for a reason. the linkshell LEADER has to give them one. So no matter if you think 1 sack is being a Dbag, guess what too bad. The LEADER put that sack there so blame the leader not the sackholder. You don't seriously think a pearl holder is going to get a sack kicked or removed do you? Seriously those are prolly a .00001% chance of that happening.

Mainly because linkshell leaders give sacks to friends, RL friends, BF, GF's etc. You crying about getting kicked wont get their sack taken away. And if your leader fails that much that they don't do anything about it, seriously do you want to be in that linkshell to begin with? All this talk, page after page about people crying cause they got kicked from a linkshell when there are literally hundreds of other linkshells to go to. Your really going to sweat over it? People in RL are dbags also, nothing you can do about it. Expect them to be one in a video game too.

Believe me I hear all sorts of stories in my 8 years playing about leaders and sackholders in linkshells, being unfair, kicking people for missing events or just a leader or sack holder kicks people for no reason. So I made my own linkshell, and its very successful, fair, and people enjoy being in it. With so many linkshells to choose from I don't see why this discussion needs to keep going. Your playing a game, you have the freedom to go anywhere in the game at will, and go to any linkshell you get invited too or even create on your own. Nothing in the game at this point do you need 50 people for. Make your own linkshell with your own rules. If a sackholder or leader in a linkshell is a Dbag why stay in there? This is what I'm not understanding. Who cares who kicked who. What will it do? just give you someone else to Blist? Is it really worth the energy when you can still go have fun playing the game someplace else?

[Kimble]

How many sack holders do these LS have that makes it so hard to figure out who did the kicking?

[Orson]

Problems relating to social networking that can be solved by people being mature, intelligent human beings aren't really problems at all.

If someone's kicked from a linkshell for a stupid reason by a stupid sackholder who has stupid amounts of power to abuse, they'd be stupid to care about it. Find a better shell with people who aren't complete troglodytes. Or, in the equally likely case that the person who was kicked was a complete troglodyte, stop being one.

Showing everyone who kicked who doesn't really contribute anything to a mature, intelligent group. Only mature, responsible, intelligent people capable of making kick decisions on their own should even be given linksacks in the first place. They are not a seniority prize, or a "bestest buddy" prize, they are a responsibility. All that should matter is "Well, someone who is responsible enough to know when to kick someone kicked someone." That's that. The absolute worst part of removing anyone from a group is dealing with the whiny, annoying friends who spam leaders demanding individual, detailed explanations that they feel they need to argue with incessantly.

Linkshells are social groups. I can kick you from a social group for whatever reason I want. Maybe I hate all people who have FF7-related names. I don't care how cool and good you are at ff11, I can smash your pearl if your name is cloudxstrife. A linkshell is not a job. There are no employee rights. You can put in work and still be terminated at will. No one owes you a personal explanation.

Finally, and this is especially true of event linkshells, it's 100% possible to still be friends with someone and not allow them in your linkshell. Kicking someone is not always personal or abusive at all. A lot of the time, people who really, really need to be kicked, aren't simply because of the personal backlash that they would incur because they have so many friends in the linkshell. Thankfully, some genius somewhere invented the miracle known as skype. Make a group chat and you basically have your own mini-linkshell chat that works in and outside of the game. And guess what? Being in a skype group doesn't entitle someone to rewards from a group that they are not adequately contributing to, or the ability to participate in group events that they tend to make significantly more difficult. Win-Win.

^ This sums up this thread perfectly. You don't be part of LSs that have stupid drama and/or bad leaders.

[Ravenmore]

If your LS has random pearl sacks or more pearl sack then is really needed, its time to reform. Still why join a LS that that could even become a problem. Then that way you can get rid of all the unwanted trash in one go.

[Arcon]

People here act like kicking is a supposed to be anonymous. In my LS for example, a social LS that has been around since EU release, we have tons of members (300+ forum accounts) and got lots of sackholders over the years (well over 30 I believe). Openness and transparency is one of the most important things in there. Last summer some people started getting kicked, especially one person got kicked over and over. We had no idea who it was. We suspect now it was an older sackholder who randomly logged on to kick people for fun. And there's nothing at all we can do to stop him. Can't even unsack/kick him unless he's in the linkshell, but he only logs on to kick people and is gone again. It's simply a stupid system. Why does someone have to be online in the LS to get kicked in the first place? It's just bad member management design.

We only had that problem once, during the summer. Are we a bad LS now and people should leave? No. Is it stupid and annoying? Yes.

This is not about assigning blame. Fine, then don't tell everyone, just send a message to the LS leader. Or better yet, make a LS log that only the shellholder can access. Note everything that's on there, from creating pearls and pearls being traded, to kicking people. What would be bad about it?

[Zaknafein]

I like the OP idea. Not because it is "needed" but because it would just be lulzy to see in ls chat "so and so /breaklinkshells so, and so's linkpearl." I'm no longer in a large ls, but thinking back to those days a message like that coming across ls chat would have been entertaining

[Ravenmore]

People here act like kicking is a supposed to be anonymous. In my LS for example, a social LS that has been around since EU release, we have tons of members (300+ forum accounts) and got lots of sackholders over the years (well over 30 I believe). Openness and transparency is one of the most important things in there. Last summer some people started getting kicked, especially one person got kicked over and over. We had no idea who it was. We suspect now it was an older sackholder who randomly logged on to kick people for fun. And there's nothing at all we can do to stop him. Can't even unsack/kick him unless he's in the linkshell, but he only logs on to kick people and is gone again. It's simply a stupid system. Why does someone have to be online in the LS to get kicked in the first place? It's just bad member management design.

We only had that problem once, during the summer. Are we a bad LS now and people should leave? No. Is it stupid and annoying? Yes.

This is not about assigning blame. Fine, then don't tell everyone, just send a message to the LS leader. Or better yet, make a LS log that only the shellholder can access. Note everything that's on there, from creating pearls and pearls being traded, to kicking people. What would be bad about it?

There is a easy way fix for this that SE need not to do anything. Reform the LS solves the problem while also getting rid of stray sacks and pearls. Starting over you can then limit the sacks that you give out. Fact is if your to lazy to do that then yes you are a bad shell.

Its not even about liking the way it is now, but in almost ever thread we either get it "would cost to much, we don't have the man power", and so on. SE should not be wasting dev time on something that the player base can fix on thier own.


Really you do not need half the LS as sack holders.

[Alderin]

Do the opposite - make everyone in your LS a sack holder.

Means no one can kick someone unless they are the linkshell leader. Therefore the only person who is doing the kicking is the leader.

Who cares if someone gives another person a pearl? If that person isn't welcome, kick them and demote the person that invited them down to a normal pearl.

That or just don't give out sacks.

*edit*

In saying that - no the person who got kicked shouldn't know who kicked them. All they will do is go QQ about it to a bunch of people that Johnny kicked them out.

I agree with perhaps a LS broadcasted message saying "XXX has been kicked out by XXX" in LS chat at the time of being kicked would be fine..

However the person that got kicked should not know who kicked them - usually they get kicked for a reason.

[Raxiaz]

There is a easy way fix for this that SE need not to do anything. Reform the LS solves the problem while also getting rid of stray sacks and pearls. Starting over you can then limit the sacks that you give out. Fact is if your to lazy to do that then yes you are a bad shell.

Its not even about liking the way it is now, but in almost ever thread we either get it "would cost to much, we don't have the man power", and so on. SE should not be wasting dev time on something that the player base can fix on thier own.


Really you do not need half the LS as sack holders.

You overestimate peoples' willingness to reform a linkshell. From personal experience, I can't even recall the last LS that had a reformation and survived. I've been in a few where a reform was necessary (and let me tell you that an anonymous kicker was not the reason, ever) and every time the "renewed LS" was never the same. Within weeks or even days it would crumble. And for the Linkshells that have innumerable members, with people in and out all day long, reforming can be a real pain. Not to mention the occasional anon-booter problem.

I agree that a LS only needs so many sack holders. But I disagree that a player should be subject to this kind of harassment, wherein the only solution is to move on or figure out who's doing it and have them desacked. This game is meant to provide entertainment for us, allowing us to create fond memories with fellow players. Why have those memories severed or diminished by the memory of some jackass who thought it would be funny to randomly boot some members for the hell of it knowing full well he'll never be reprimanded?

However the person that got kicked should not know who kicked them - usually they get kicked for a reason.

So the person that got fired should not know who fired them? They got fired for a reason right? Well what was the reason? That would answer why.

We seem to have overlooked the fact that this opens the door for misunderstandings to be solved. Me, myself, I know how I conduct in linkshells. I know that if I were ever kicked, I would like to contact someone with authority to know why. It would be even better to contact the person who actually kicked me, so that I could understand why. And if it's a misunderstanding, I have the possibility of clearing it up. But then again, the sackholder could just be an ass and not respond.

"Social problem" goes two ways. It's a social problem not to have this feature and it's a social problem to have it. Stop blaming the reason why we can't have this on "human idiocy." If we did that for everything, where would we be in this world?

[Bulrogg]

So the person that got fired should not know who fired them? They got fired for a reason right? Well what was the reason? That would answer why.

Yes, but not in a conference room for everyone to see. Maybe that's why the /breaklinkshell function works the way it does.

/singsong "and Jane I need to see you in my office, I found your resume on the printer."