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  1. #401
    Player Dart's Avatar
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    outside them continuing to strengthen relic ws as they've started too. make the 5% ODD for 2 hand and triple dmg for 1 hand jump up higher as well. 30% like Empy AM lvl 1 imo. 95 and 99 magian quests to further inc dmg to relic ws and bam, they can compete again. its actually pretty simple if people pull their heads out of their collective asses about this topic and the dev team, which has done an excellent job listening to the player base, continues to do their thing.

    but whatever will be, will be. I've got my 4 empy done (2 at 90, finishing up the last 2) so Idc either way. I just can't stand stupid.
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    Last edited by Dart; 06-14-2011 at 02:43 AM.

  2. #402
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dart View Post
    outside them continuing to strengthen relic ws as they've started too. make the 5% ODD for 2 hand and triple dmg for 1 hand jump up higher as well. 30% like Empy AM lvl 1 imo. 95 and 99 magian quests to further inc dmg to relic ws and bam, they can compete again. its actually pretty simple if people pull their heads out of their collective asses about this topic and the dev team, which has done an excellent job listening to the player base, continues to do their thing.

    but whatever will be, will be. I've got my 4 empy done (2 at 90, finishing up the last 2) so Idc either way. I just can't stand stupid.
    We are not asking what they plan to do to them, we just want them to confirm they are planning on doing something like an update to say this or that. W
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    99 Drk, 99 Sch, 99 Bst, 99 Geo and a ton of other jobs there
    110 +5 Bonecraft
    Level 99 Relic Scythe

  3. #403
    Player Dart's Avatar
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    that was in response to that troll guy unc, not you guys

    he asked what we wanted and I laid out a way for relics to not be "broken" and compete with empy weapons in raw dmg.
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  4. #404
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dart View Post
    that was in response to that troll guy unc, not you guys

    he asked what we wanted and I laid out a way for relics to not be "broken" and compete with empy weapons in raw dmg.
    Ah ok lol sorry bout that.
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    99 Drk, 99 Sch, 99 Bst, 99 Geo and a ton of other jobs there
    110 +5 Bonecraft
    Level 99 Relic Scythe

  5. #405
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    Quote Originally Posted by Didgist View Post
    even though most relic holders were just gilbuyers or botters anyways.
    Say that in game and add Japanese version you will be banned in 2 min this is insult.

    Where you got that from?
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  6. 06-14-2011 09:24 AM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sama View Post
    Say that in game and add Japanese version you will be banned in 2 min this is insult.

    Where you got that from?
    Says the person that has a relic that doesn't even understand simple game mechanics. I seem to recall you posting a screenshot of Blade: Metsu complaining about how low the damage was when you obviously whiffed the main hit. You also emphasized the fact you had 3 atma including GH. What exactly was GH supposed to do to enhance your damage?

    In any case, I'm sure they'll post information when they're ready to share it with the public. Show some respect to the developers and be patient.
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  8. #407
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    If they do end up making it like relics go to 99 and emps stop at 90, then they might not want to reveal that as it would be part of the version updates for >95>99.
    Could be a reason for the silence.
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  9. #408
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    I kinda wonder now, as Mandau owner.. I must have spend a good 120h+ just on chloris to get the 50x Bud (ty for majority them dropping 1x only even with TH..)

    In old dynamis system you had to spend ~3.5h/event so 7h/week and could get relic done in 26 week (6~7 month) So if you gather all the time that make a rough 182 hours. (problem in that old system is how you had to *exploit ppl* or have a lots of very good friend ready to spend time for you.

    The only difference tbh with Dynamis relic and Empy now are the time you can spend per day really, because in the end you spend as much if not more time doing some empy then dynamis relic.

    How long it took me for 50x chloris bud, hmm took me 6 day, but 20h/day. That the only 'easy part' of empy, is because you can spend tons of time in 1 day into it, that do not mean they are more easy then dynamis.. Back then we could have argue about the amount of GIL spend, but SE removed the fee, and i know many of my friend able to get 50 currency /day just solo. Again 2h/day * 7 = 14h 7*50 = 350 currency/week for 1 player, so balance it as abyssea where you need at least 4 player to hold KI or /assist NM then that give you 1,400 currency / week.

    So ya, 4 good player can pull out 1400 currency/week and spend total 14h, you need 14,500/1400 per week = 10.35 week. 10.35 week of 14h give 144.9 hours, is less time then what you going to spend to finish Chloris/uld/Dragua trust me.

    The only problem really is the 2h max per day you can do dynamis that make relic look harder now, nothing else.

    Note how i point chloris or could had say same for glavoid, some Empy like Gun/Bow etc are a joke, but anyway also keep in mind i did not include the 21x NM [1 to 6h pop] you have to kill and the 20 VNM. (look like nothing but it add up quick on time sink (30~40h+ right there).
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  10. #409
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azagthoth View Post
    Says the person that has a relic that doesn't even understand simple game mechanics. I seem to recall you posting a screenshot of Blade: Metsu complaining about how low the damage was when you obviously whiffed the main hit. You also emphasized the fact you had 3 atma including GH. What exactly was GH supposed to do to enhance your damage?

    In any case, I'm sure they'll post information when they're ready to share it with the public. Show some respect to the developers and be patient.
    Telling you what atmas I used simply because I try to avoid people like you making assumptions that I had mage atma. I'm just letting people know doesn't mean this is the best and all I wanted it is to have a SS showing how low relic and go. You may be very good at atma combination I don't know but I'm not here to dealt with that. Relic owner (including me) just want SE to give us continuous response, they don't have to, but since they made this forum, we will continue to ask.

    If you people got a problem you can leave, this thread is for relic anyways and it's not a place for you to judge and telling others how good you are.
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  11. #410
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    So how often would you like them to keep telling you they will be making adjustments to relics? Once a week? Every other day?
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