HQ king triggers

[Arlan]

How do you propose we find the 'exact %'?

Adding more samples will only refine the number and decrease our margin of error. To get our margin of error down to 0 you would have to sample EVERY member of the population, which in this case means we'd have to have an infinite number of NQ pops to test.

Lets say we take more and more samples and get it down to 8.5 +/- 2%. Would you be happy then?

I understand what you're getting at. You want to know an exact drop rate. I do also, but it's actually impossible (without looking at the code) to do it.

Actually your wrong, I dont want to know exact drop rate %.
Based on the majority who have experience this shitty drop rate, including myself, I agree that this needs to be increased because its really just waay to low.

Also idc how people try to calculate it, I'm not a computer geek or math geek either, I don't like figuring out "%" but I am saying it does need more testings for the exact %, however, I do not disagree with you guys saying the drop rate could be about 8% or so, cause thats sure how it feels like imo. But that doesnt mean it is accurate. I dont care if it is accurate or not, all I know is the drop rate is too low for what it is and it needs to be increased.

lol

[Raksha]

No because the "droprate" is mixing the 3 different HnMs. According to the old KS99 datas on the wiki, the 3 BCs didn't have the same droprate on BB items (same "sample size" as him). Therefore it means nothing unless you examine each NM individually. Plus you have the randomness of Treasure hunter that may or may not affect the 3 BC equally, may or may not have proced on all BCs,

I think i'm beginning to understand how you garnered the reputation that you have.

The BCs have a (so far) 100% chance to drop the NQ king pop.

What we are arguing about is the HQ king pop. It's possible faf/behe/aspid all have different drop rates on the HQ triggers (aspid is showing ~30% with a low sample size), but even if that were the case it would only skew our drop rate HIGHER than the actual.

Also, you can't expect players to waste their kindred seals popping these guys without TH in order to make our job collecting data easier. No one in their right mind would do so.


Anyway, this number needs to be added to the running total.

Yeah me too, even if it ends up being 15 or 20% it's still way too low compared to what you're spending.

EDIT: Mojo reports 1/21 on KB
http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/104...=1#post4623984

And if this guy could post some clarifications this would help also.

I have to say you really are a troll straight and to the point and not a scientist at all perhaps Psuedo-Science is your cup of tea like most people.

The drop rate is bad but to play devils advocate its not like we didn't see that coming.

I have similar results after 26,000 KS worth of pops for my LS we got 2 Black Belts completed and 1/3. Also we found that when we DIDN'T put TH on the NM's we got pops for the Kings almost 100% I think 1 fight we didn't get a HQ pop without TH when someone in my LS said hey lets try this without TH it was his pop so we went for it and HQ Pop then I went and HQ pop, it sounds weird... but it is what it is. Lots of abjurations and of course 0 Ridill's (That at least remains the same <sarcasm>) 26 NQ pops 16 HQ pops 7 total BB Items and 20 or so abjurations of which only 1 was wanted.

Now before the trolls start to post some snide comments do you want me to lay this out in a matrix and prepare a white paper with my results....

[Koeta]

4 Behemoth - 0 King Behemoth
3 Adamantoise - 0 Aspid.
4 Faffy - 1 Nid
all had TH9 or higher.

I wont be wasting anymore of my seals on this crap till they up the drop rate on HQ pops.

[Nynja]

Btw, if anyone else wants to keep track of the drop rates, go ahead. I've satisfied my initial desires of voicing displeasure at the drop rate and justifying my claims, as well as the initial requests for a greater sample size on the basis of the initial claims being bad luck.

[Nynja]

I guess that the admins are more concerned about Pankration and melee RDM's...oh well.

[Arlan]

I guess that the admins are more concerned about Pankration and melee RDM's...oh well.

Ya, They need to focus on King HNM drop rates before moving on in my opinion...

[Raksha]

Yeah so their solution to this problem is to allow you to trade 3 crests for 1 k.seal.

w2g SE.

[Hoshi]

Yeah so their solution to this problem is to allow you to trade 3 crests for 1 k.seal.

w2g SE.

I think I missed something. You can exchange kc for ks now?

[Raksha]

I think I missed something. You can exchange kc for ks now?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...571#post118571

[Ravenmore]

If i'm reading that right you should be able to trade beastman seals too, which are trash now anyway seeing how any job could make a muti-hit weapon in the same amount of time it would to take to even see a drop. You could still make a bit of gil off BS40 but why go though that crap when you get just as much doing other things.