PVP!

[GoBs]

But that's were you make your party setup Does not really matter that Blu is the best PVP JoB Cuz its not 1v1 its 18 on 18 Really any job could work in PVP With alot of ppl. lets say we have a full alliance one party is 3 Bst 3 pup that party will attack's the mage's Now you have to fight off a Pet and a Bst. this is were setup's and ppl know what to do and playing there job good come's into play. We need to have Some Blm's to sleep if they have Bst's and Pup's Job's in there alliance We are not going to know what Setup they are going to use but We got to play it stay. I think a better PVP system Would make the Game alot better. player that don't like PVP don't have to play it But when you see all your Friends and Linkshell ppl Talking about How they Took on the top linkshell and won you might change your Mind about PVP Again you don't have to play it. It would be nice if it was there So we could play it if we like

[Nexdeus]

PVP is probably one of the most entertaining things to do in FFXI, to say that you don't believe there is a PVP system in place, just means you cant beat anyone in it :P
Here's to hoping Ballista Royale makes a come back!
Also, they really should do a Colosseum type of event where people can look in on matches, kinda like a gladiator event :O

Perhaps I've been watching too much Spartacus.

[Xilk]

But that's were you make your party setup Does not really matter that Blu is the best PVP JoB Cuz its not 1v1 its 18 on 18 Really any job could work in PVP With alot of ppl. lets say we have a full alliance one party is 3 Bst 3 pup that party will attack's the mage's Now you have to fight off a Pet and a Bst. this is were setup's and ppl know what to do and playing there job good come's into play. We need to have Some Blm's to sleep if they have Bst's and Pup's Job's in there alliance We are not going to know what Setup they are going to use but We got to play it stay. I think a better PVP system Would make the Game alot better.

I've never been to excited about PvP... I did brenner once, and it was alot of fun. You're description above sounds interesting. I would definitely like to try something like that.

I don't know how much you would need in rewards... you might just get titles or gil/credits to use as you like. I think that might be incentive enough for alot of players.

[Wade]

I choose XI because there is not PvP

Same here

[Chew]

Closest thing ive seen to real pvp in this game was the super exciting "Serket "hnm" " camps. The floor was nothing but dead bodies, literally hundreds of them. Good times, Indeed.

[Seyrenne]

Why does PvP = WoW? Is it really such a bad thing to have a way to compete with other players outside of HNM progression (which doesn't even matter anymore, these days) or the acquisition of white/blue boxes? Final Fantasy has generally been about cooperation, true enough. But that doesn't mean there can't be room for a little rivalry, either.

At any rate, I'm not expecting much. I will admit that a revamp of the PvP system would probably be a balancing nightmare, but it should still be considered. Of course, making it worthwhile to do is important as well. There just isn't enough incentive to participate in Ballista, be it a reward like a decent amount of gil or access to equipment or a more accessible way of showing battle statistics and rankings.

FFXI is still an enjoyable PvE experience, but I think expanding on PvP would be to its benefit, not detriment.

[Showmo]

Ballista is one of my favorite things to do, but unfortunately there isn't anyone else to compete against except for the same small group of friends who share the common interest.

Also, they really should do a Colosseum type of event where people can look in on matches, kinda like a gladiator event :O

I would love it if they added a Colosseum event where players could do 1 versus 1 (or 2 versus 2, 3 versus 3, etc) matches against each other. It should be something completely different from Ballista, possibly with a tournament and ranking system, followed by rewards.

It would be pretty neat as well if you could put your name on a Colosseum list to look for players to compete against in a private match (which would be exempt from Colosseum rankings and tournament). When a player responded to the request, it would let you know via PlayOnline message.

[Urteil]

FFXI boasts one of the most unique battle systems for its PvE and it translates rather well (as with all things there are some annoyances) into the realm of Player versus Player as well. There is a very large amount tactical decisions and strategies available, in addition in FFXI gear is not the end-all to supremacy which should possibly go farther to foster a fun environment, as Relic/Empyrean/Mythic weapons are FAR from being the end-all to what decides the victory.

As far as balance goes I would agree that some jobs have it tougher than others, but many people champion various jobs as the masters of PvP and really have no idea as to what they are proposing (IE RDM, BLU), interesting combinations are incredibly powerful:


Some quick examples without taking up pages of space:

WHM/SCH with an emphasis on Flash Nova and Divine nuking.

Various BRD and COR combinations which EVERYONE discards as being weak, and could not be more wrong.

Many martial jobs through the use of the scholar sub can hold a candle to various other jobs, as long as they Anticipate and gear correctly.


The selection of gear versus your enemy perhaps is one of the most (ironically) overlooked aspects of battle, perhaps gear macros have spoiled us and somehow we are able to access 70+ pieces of gear at any given time, however just like all of us pride ourselves in our capped haste sets, our weapon skill sets, fast cast/pre cast etc. this type of care concern and pride is not absent from PvP.


Gear in PvP takes a slightly different route, forcing you to amass a large selection of sets, and pick the one you wish to use with great forethought and planing.

(Honestly you can still change gear, I switch out of my Twilight Cloak all the time to throw Impact on DRK around, just be smart enough to have the person crowd controlled first.)

-Is the enemy going to silence me? Should I build wind and resistance to silence.

-Am I going to try and zerg this enemy down?

-Should I bring my opo-necklace for when I am slept I can counter with storing TP.

-Must I kite this enemy, is gravity essential - I do not want this Blue Mage anywhere near me.

There's an endless amount of these examples should suffice.


As for the sick and old arguement that if we want PvP one should go play WoW it is stupid and ignorant and simply shows a lack of mastery as to the depths and mechanics involved in FFXI-PvP.

I don't play WoW because it has far too many random variables as far as abilities go and a severe lack of customization in strategy and tactics versus oppoenents and gear choices.

I also don't play WoW because I enjoy the slower pace FFXI provides, where many battles are like a game of chess, where the decision to use Poisonga or Diaga, to open wipe shadows and set your dispel cycle.

Might lead to your doom later on and kill you, every move matters.


As far as the rumors as to "PvP sucks" or "X job is unbeatable."

I will fight you on Dark Knight which has never been known for being the most liked or the most praised job at well....anything. May haps you might beat me but I will give you a run for your money I guarantee it, and hopefully show you that everything is not as severely one sided as you may think.

I would be very willing to have a conversation with you and play with you if you happen to reside on my server.

It really is true though, everyone loves PvP you can't sit there and tell me the funnest part of Dynamis Beaucedine isn't killing charmed people. Everyone loves it, just like wanking off.

They simply hate losing, but we often confuse these to be the same thing.


TLDR;

If you are only good at PvP, you are totally worthless and you'll never be good at anything even your "passion". You're just a waste of space, who can't get the gear needed to excel in any aspect of the game.

If you're only good at PvE thats your choice and thats wonderful, but PvE people are just as, if not more competitive as 'PvP People'. So if you're going to have a huge ego, I don't understand why in the game you love and excel at, with all the gifts of the gods, and amazing gear you are not prepared.

Preparation, preparation, preparation, - be prepared and excel at everything that is my viewpoint.

And honestly it does look bad when your Excalibur Red-Mage dies to a Monk using Faith Claws, but who's fault is that, really?

If you didn't play FFXI for PvP nobody is forcing you to, and for that matter, why are you in this thread at all? Its not like the title was misleading.

I'm Urteil on Phoenix, PvP has a lot of depth just like PvE. A game should have both to be complete, and in all the games I've played and all the places I've looked, ironically and sometimes horrifically.

FFXI is the closest to this, it simply needs a tiny bit of attention.

If you think that one job is the end-all, look me up. I will prove you wrong.

[Ninian]

They could make some sort of reward-system that rewards you with PvP-oriented gear. An example would be gears that would be neat fulltime-pieces, or gear that had good stats+spikes on them, or had super resist-status effects on them... the list could go on. Also (assuming they want to make more equipment models) have the gear look fearsome~

[Draylo]

Basically, FFXI isn't a PvP game. And I like it this way

Limiting a MMO or any game just because of your views is pretty selfish. I think a lot of people enjoy PVP and SE was right to add it in some aspect. There isn't overt PVP in the sense a player can walk up to another and kill them, but its in a controlled (with story given) environment. I think they had the right idea, and I really enjoyed doing it but nobody else really had the initiative or care (perhaps due to lack of rewards). I think implementing an update to it would be nice, as it stands a lot of it is unbalanced however. BLU and RDM just destroy anything in there for the most part.