sadly GM's appear to have dropped the ball

[Alhanelem]

GMs haven't dropped any balls. They're simply following the rules and terms as they've been given by SE.

[Juilan]

lol if you screwed up that nm you deserve to have it taken

the only time I think an NM should be taken is if everyone dies or most die and the few remain cant hold it while the others HP since they didnt have reraise... people should seriously exercise the golden role, don't steal monsters unless you want yours to be stolen... I swear the things people do to build negative karma and breed hostility towards them baffles me...

What really needs to be fixed are the hate mechanics, someone mentioned large amounts of VE on the monster makes it so you can keep claim, wouldn't it have been even more simple in the beginning if say

hate != 0 monster says claimed? then run that check on everyone in the alliance thats engaged to it? Would of made HNM fights less amusing.

[Alhanelem]

uh... If you have an entire group of people charmed and someone claims the NM, shouldnt your entire crowd of people be chasing them down and kicking their butts, since you're charmed and all?

[Bumbeen]

Claim system should be more absolute I agree. Entire hate list should have to be cleared before it goes yellow.

[Greatguardian]

It is based on hate. Unless the new person claiming already has decent hate built up (or uses a butt load of VE abilities), then even if they cast on the mob it can still stay white.

For example, Mnk and Whm are killing a NM. Whm is resting and Mnk accidentally disengages. Mob goes white. If you cast dia on it, the mob will still stay white and keep attacking the monk. If the monk does some other action against the mob to claim it again it will go purple immidiately.

Not quite. The situation you described would happen, but not because of Enmity. The "Original" player only requires 1 action taken on a white mob that is aggressive or was previously claimed to them in order to claim it. Any "Intruder" player requires 2 consecutive actions taken on a white mob in order to claim it.

Eg: If you cast Dia and then Dia 2 on the NM while the Mnk was getting up, even if the Mnk had truckloads more hate than you, you would have claim. If you cast Dia and then the Mnk hit the NM, the Mnk would keep claim because they only require 1 action whereas you would have required 2.

There is a fairly massive advantage to the "Original" party in terms of keeping claim.

[Meyi]

Should it be against the ToS? Subjective.

Is it? No.

GMs did their jobs properly. That is what the thread is about.

This is true.

I still feel it's a moral code break. The NM can be popped up to three times now, correct? If so, then it wasn't as if they were simply waiting their turn for the ??? and just happened to take up the white NM while party was charmed. Clearly intentional. And for them to say they couldn't wait to steal again is also harassment in my book.

But I'm not a GM and it's not against the ToS. The GMs are doing their jobs based on the ToS, not their moral conduct.

[Hoshi]

There is a fairly massive advantage to the "Original" party in terms of keeping claim.

I disagree. All it takes to lose a mid-charm Ciren-Croin is two blms with stun. I failed to take claim AS the mob went white with flash in such a situation. After that we always had 1 melee with hate stay out of range to focus on claiming asap during charm. People tend to be very aggressive at claiming that mob as it uses charm... which is fine. Wiping the other group when they got charmed was fun.

[Mnejing]

Yes I cant understand that either 6 hours for a pop set

Wouldn't be that unreasonable if they were aoe-burning a set, instead of camping Heqet. Other than that no clue.

[Greatguardian]

I disagree. All it takes to lose a mid-charm Ciren-Croin is two blms with stun. I failed to take claim AS the mob went white with flash in such a situation. After that we always had 1 melee with hate stay out of range to focus on claiming asap during charm. People tend to be very aggressive at claiming that mob as it uses charm... which is fine. Wiping the other group when they got charmed was fun.

There's no need for it to go white at all. See my previous post on page 1 of this thread on claiming mechanics.

[Hoshi]

I disagree with your post. I cast flash throughout the course of the fight in the interest of having hate on the mob. Being ready to cast flash as Ciren-Croin uses mayhem lantern implies that you're not already mid-cure or doing other white magely type jobs. Sure you could argue that really you should have the blm on top of that sort of thing but often they're mid-nuke. The only answer for us was to have a melee sit out and focus on establishing hate as mayhem lantern was readied. People shouldn't be so eager to gank a mob... but I appreciate that that's how things go in abyssea.