Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

[Starcade]

Seriously man, I willing to bet that you cheat like crazy. There's no way anyone would be so outspoken against it unless they did.

And, given this player-base, why would you believe otherwise?

You see, this is one of the reasons I am so outspoken about cheating: It places the conduct of every player into question -- so why wouldn't you? I'm not saying you have cause to, but why wouldn't you?

[Starcade]

I've organized a party where I brought in a 90 blm. Turned out he had levelled all 60 levels in 5 days, and his skills were at level 30ish. He did have his spells, because blm was not his 1st job and he had money. He cast a Blizzard V on Raskovnik for 154, yes 154 damage. He had claim, so I kicked him from the pt, and had the rest of the party all flux out and leave him to it. He was not invited back, and I told our rdm if he went to raise him he was not welcome back either.

Show up prepared to do your job in a reasonable manner or quit the game! THAT is why I despise low-level leeching. I don't even particularily like level sync. If a mob is a skillable mob relative to your level you should be able to skill, period.

Now, ask me how I feel about people who AFK...

Kinda reminds me of that 75 BLM I saw in a YouTube video, who had ZERO magic skill at all.

You know, I read this and agree with every word (which is why I'll ask what my role is with a party if I am unclear on it), but I do wonder how many people in the game would openly respond with: "You must have a lot of trouble actually getting parties..."

[Ilax]

@Starcade all what you saying just sound wrong, stop trying beat a dead beef.

I am skilled enough to built a 3 man party that would out beat any of your elitism party you ever made, how good are you? How good i am? answer is simple: Nor me or you care, and you can be sure none on this forum even care.

Do i join random party? Yes i do, do i like them every time? No. Do i stay in it: Depend.

Did you ever question yourself why they invited you in the party? Are you so good that they think, hey let invite this guy so we all can leech from him? No way, and if you are that a great player then why are you lfg?

Seriously man, quit this b$llsh!t because is now getting real annoying. i am also done derailing with you, because seriously all this go no where.

[Starcade]

That's a horrible comparison. botting directly correlates to ffxi. Fighting dogs has absolutely nothing to do with his ability to play football.

Yes it does, actually, when you actually understand some of his backstory.

It also has to do with his popularity too. One of the reasons I've largely sworn off the NFL.

One's conduct ties into a lot more about a person than one thinks -- that's why it's a good comparison to many players in FFXI.

[Cream_Soda]

Yes it does, actually, when you actually understand some of his backstory.

It also has to do with his popularity too. One of the reasons I've largely sworn off the NFL.

One's conduct ties into a lot more about a person than one thinks -- that's why it's a good comparison to many players in FFXI.

It's still a stretch for a comparison.

You're comparing cheating at the actual thing you're doing (botting = cheating in xi) vs what you do outside of the game. Dogs or not, he is still a good athlete. Am I a fan? no, but that doesn't make him suck because I don't care for the guy.

Chris brown is still a good singer and dancer. Him beating Rhiana has not changed that. Is he a good person? I don't think so, but he still has music and dance talent.

[Starcade]

@Starcade all what you saying just sound wrong, stop trying beat a dead beef.

I am skilled enough to built a 3 man party that would out beat any of your elitism party you ever made, how good are you? How good i am? answer is simple: Nor me or you care, and you can be sure none on this forum even care.

I strongly disagree with that last clause (about others on the forum), for reasons I'm not sure you are aware.

Do i join random party? Yes i do, do i like them every time? No. Do i stay in it: Depend.

Did you ever question yourself why they invited you in the party? Are you so good that they think, hey let invite this guy so we all can leech from him? No way, and if you are that a great player then why are you lfg?

I usually don't, except in very specific cases where the group needs to fill a slot (which answers your other question)

I spend VERY LITTLE TIME LFG, because, in most cases, I don't even trust everyone in my linkshell!

Seriously man, quit this b$llsh!t because is now getting real annoying. i am also done derailing with you, because seriously all this go no where.

Bye. *waves*

[Starcade]

Chris brown is still a good singer and dancer. Him beating Rhiana has not changed that. Is he a good person? I don't think so, but he still has music and dance talent.

By saying that, you endorse his conduct. His beating Rhianna ABSOLUTELY changed and invalidated ALL of his talent.

Just like the conduct of a lot of FFXI players forcing people to demand serious changes in how Abyssea works, because any good they might do is invalidated by, at best, lazy conduct -- if not outright illegal conduct.

[Fiarlia]

I've organized a party where I brought in a 90 blm. Turned out he had levelled all 60 levels in 5 days, and his skills were at level 30ish. He did have his spells, because blm was not his 1st job and he had money. He cast a Blizzard V on Raskovnik for 154, yes 154 damage. He had claim, so I kicked him from the pt, and had the rest of the party all flux out and leave him to it. He was not invited back, and I told our rdm if he went to raise him he was not welcome back either.

Show up prepared to do your job in a reasonable manner or quit the game! THAT is why I despise low-level leeching. I don't even particularily like level sync. If a mob is a skillable mob relative to your level you should be able to skill, period.

Now, ask me how I feel about people who AFK...

I'm aware that stuff like this is a problem, but really, if they leveled up their BLM the normal way, they likely wouldn't have been worth a spot in your party anyway with the mindset that the player in question has. Their Elemental Magic would've been skilled, yes, but someone that thinks they can actually contribute after leeching a job and not ensuring that the proper skills have been leveled are likely going to be total douches even if they had it skilled.

For example, I leeched my BLU. I've always wanted to lvl BLU, but didn't want to go through the irritation of farming spells in the state the game used to be in. (Personal preferrence, by the way, in no way am I saying that those who did it the "proper way" shouldn't have.) Now that it's at 90, I have yet to party on it (exp or NMs or events or anything else) because I haven't yet acquired all the spells. I also will not party on it until I have done so. This is fine with me though, as I do it my off time, and I build seals/+2 items to make it that much better when I have gotten the spells. Hell, I even made up spreadsheets of which spells I'll want to set (when I have them all) for various situations and NM's.

The difference between that BLM and me is that I care. We both got to 90 by leeching, obviously, it hasn't had a negative impact on me. Leeching is not the problem, it's the players.

[Cream_Soda]

By saying that, you endorse his conduct. His beating Rhianna ABSOLUTELY changed and invalidated ALL of his talent.

That's what you assume. I don't endorse his conduct. I think what he did was terrible. Just because you do something terrible doesn't mean he can't sing.

There are plenty of horrible hearted people who still have skills. He is one of them.

When I speak of his talent, I'm making an unbiased judgment on that talent.

When you say "he is a bad person so his music sucks too" that is a biased judgment, which is worthless.

[Naturebeckles]

The example Glamdring gave about a level 90 blm with no skill is what I referred to earlier by the old way producing better players. Maybe I should have said overall skilled players. Look, I'm not saying they should get rid of the Abyssea way of exping. But as an LS leader, I have helped mediocre players become better players. This fake world is not much different than the real world: not everything fits neatly into a little box. Yes, some players are not teachable and they'll keep being idiots no matter what you do. Some players are naturally good at learning their jobs well. Most other people need some guidance to become good. Those are the players that can't do that by key whoring their way to 90. That I suppose is what I specifically meant by the old ways producing better players.

I'm slow at leveling jobs. Yes... once I hit 70 on that job, I hit abyssea up for the rest of my levels. I'm leveling smn right now - the first mage job I'm going to take all the way. I admit I don't know a whole heck of a lot about smn. Mine is 35. I'm purposely leveling the old way and by solo'ing exp pages so I can learn how to do my job. God knows, I don't want to be level 90 and not know what the hell I"m doing because I spent my time key whoring my levels. That's just my choice. Everyone is free to choose how they want to level. Hell, I saw a level 24 blu in a level sync duo in Qufim Island wearing his crafting body gear.

Point is, I know my limits and I try to strengthen my weaknesses as a player. I don't mind the struggle and the challenges of doing stuff the harder way. Keeps me from being bored. Veteran players who already have a bunch of jobs at 90 and don't want to spend lots of time leveling more jobs... have at it.

But level 90 noobs do piss me off along with many others. Abyssea just... seems to exenuate (sp?) the high level noobs. Seems you can't even really tell if those morons bought their accounts or not. lol