Just Got Deluxe Animator! It sucks...

[Dfoley]

Honestly all of this update was side grade at best. Theres maybe 1 or 2 items total that arent side grades for all classes combined.

We get a 7 str helm incase we didnt get the right one from MKD
We get a 6 dex animator incase we missed odins
Theres a 7 % haste belt... that prevents you from being cured

[Kristal]

I'd rather use Cuauhtli's Headpiece, since it has STR+5 DEX+5 AGI+5.. although it's lacking H2H skill, which is rather odd considering the Cuauhtli's Harness Set as a whole has skill bonusses for all jobs' main weapons.. except H2H. Maybe it's there, but not shown in the text.

The Deluxe Animator most likely has undiscovered hidden effects. Animators don't have side-grades. It's peculiar that the Automaton:HP/MP bonus is missing on the new animator, considering the fact you can use it to break the Activate timer AND wipe your TP with ill-timed equip/unequip, but I suspect there's a good reason for it.

As for the haste belt, PUP can equip Twilight Belt, so no biggy. Also, I suspect the Accursed Belt has a little trick... (ie, immune to curse, doom, death and/or absorb) to offset the zombie status. (SE needs to make that an official status, rather then the ST20 Curse version!)

[Dfoley]

For SP yea 5 str/dex is > 7 str

As far as the animator, I am sorry but i dont buy that 'there has to be more hidden effects'. They just dont know that much about pup to correctly design anything. Look at the Animator + 1, you had to do that even ~10ish times to get 2 more dex and 10-40 hp? I mean really, does that seem on par with the other rewards?

[xiozen]

For SP yea 5 str/dex is > 7 str

As far as the animator, I am sorry but i don't buy that 'there has to be more hidden effects'. They just dont know that much about pup to correctly design anything. Look at the Animator + 1, you had to do that even ~10ish times to get 2 more dex and 10-40 hp? I mean really, does that seem on par with the other rewards?

Animator +1 significantly raises the automaton's response times--and--works with the Tactical Processor... so having both equipped will increase your automaton's performance over the Turbo Animator and Animator respectively. Unless the Deluxe Animator offers more over the +1 version, I, personally, won't be going after it.... considering the description of the item, I find it very difficult to believe that the Deluxe Animator will be better than the +1 version... (or it could be because I don't want it to be, considering the amount of work and effort I put into getting the blasted thing)... since SE said "An improved version of the animator. Boasts vastly simplified operation over the standard model." in the item's description... using the words "standard model" interprets into better than the "Animator"... but not the Turbo and certainly not the +1 version.

Sorry but that's just my two-cents worth.

[Dfoley]

Animator +1 significantly raises the automaton's response times--and--works with the Tactical Processor... so having both equipped will increase your automaton's performance over the Turbo Animator and Animator respectively. Unless the Deluxe Animator offers more over the +1 version, I, personally, won't be going after it.... considering the description of the item, I find it very difficult to believe that the Deluxe Animator will be better than the +1 version... (or it could be because I don't want it to be, considering the amount of work and effort I put into getting the blasted thing)... since SE said "An improved version of the animator. Boasts vastly simplified operation over the standard model." in the item's description... using the words "standard model" interprets into better than the "Animator"... but not the Turbo and certainly not the +1 version.

Sorry but that's just my two-cents worth.

I am sorry but go troll else where...you obviouslly have no clue about animators and the fact that the animator +1 has been shown time and again to do nothing.

If you have proof that it does anything to responce time or tactical processor, id love to see the photos/parses/logs or any shred of proof.

Edit:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...-New-Animators!
I new we had this argument before, you are the same person who claimed it did something last time and never backed it up with any description or shred of proof. In my book you just went down to the bottom peg...

Animator:
This device transmits commands to an automaton via high frequency waves.

Turbo Animator:
An improved version of the animator. Transmits commands at a faster rate than the standard model.

Animator +1:
An improved version of the animator. Allows orders to be more directly relayed to the automaton.

Deluxe Animator:
An improved version of the animator. Boasts vastly simplified operation over the standard model

To me they all say the exact same thing... an improved version of the standard model...aka they add dex / hp&mp. IF anything the deluxe animator implies a reduced overload rate since more simple commands are less likely to overload the pet, but thats a stretch and will require testing.

None of the animators adjust maneuver recast time or maneuver duration

[Gael]

Actualy some tests on BG (posted by Jkun on 2004/6, not sure of the exact years but i saw the post a week ago so you can find it if you want) show that there is no boost in the automaton's response times on the animator +1, so like Dfoley, if you have any proof, i want to see them.

[xiozen]

I am sorry but go troll else where...you obviouslly have no clue about animators and the fact that the animator +1 has been shown time and again to do nothing.

If you have proof that it does anything to responce time or tactical processor, id love to see the photos/parses/logs or any shred of proof.

Edit:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...-New-Animators!
I new we had this argument before, you are the same person who claimed it did something last time and never backed it up with any description or shred of proof. In my book you just went down to the bottom peg...

Animator:
This device transmits commands to an automaton via high frequency waves.

Turbo Animator:
An improved version of the animator. Transmits commands at a faster rate than the standard model.

Animator +1:
An improved version of the animator. Allows orders to be more directly relayed to the automaton.

Deluxe Animator:
An improved version of the animator. Boasts vastly simplified operation over the standard model

To me they all say the exact same thing... an improved version of the standard model...aka they add dex / hp&mp. IF anything the deluxe animator implies a reduced overload rate since more simple commands are less likely to overload the pet, but thats a stretch and will require testing.

None of the animators adjust maneuver recast time or maneuver duration

I don't troll... never have, never will. Only stating the facts. It appears that you are so out of touch with this job that you can't tell the difference between animators and your automaton's performance.. are you sure you didn't buy your account or something? Perhaps a change in careers is something that you'd benefit from... dunno... i'm just say'in.

[Karbuncle]

I don't troll... never have, never will. Only stating the facts. It appears that you are so out of touch with this job that you can't tell the difference between animators and your automaton's performance.. are you sure you didn't buy your account or something? Perhaps a change in careers is something that you'd benefit from... dunno... i'm just say'in.

No you are not. You are stating opinions.

I'm sorry, but Facts require proof, Facts require evidence, and data, You presented none. This is why the guy you are arguing with is well, arguing to begin with.

You are allowed to voice your opinion, but don't act like we all bought our account for believing the parses and data on it, while you provide no evidence to the contrary, and in one thread quoted, refused to provide evidence on the grounds "Its an Opinion", and in here, state "its a fact", Contradicting yourself.

PUP isn't a religion, you can't come here and state something, and expect everyone to blindly follow you on faith alone, we simply need evidence to support your statement, something to show you're simply not blowing hot air.

Especially when tests done have shown no effect from Animators outside of the hidden boosts to your own stats and your automatons HP/MP.

So, If you truly think you are right, Simple go parse yourself on the things you believe are changed. If you think he uses Attachment Abilities quicker, Test the "Cool down" Time on them. (I.E, See if "Strobe" Provoke is reduced to ~25sec instead of 30, or see if "Flashbulb" is reduced to 30 instead of 45, Etc.)

All you really need to do is a series of simple basic tests.

[Glamdring]

There's alot of "facts" on the boards as a whole that are simply someone's opinion based on personal observation... or even worse an opinion based on other's observations. There's actually a thread right now talking about how paladin always sucked as a tank; if that's the case why did everyone go for 7 years looking for paladin OR ninja (and war at low levels) to tank when building parties? Strange how "always" is never longer than the last 3 months.

AANNYYWWAAYY... The guy who said there's probably some other hidden effect on this thing-we hope there is, but there's nothing to back up that hope. We base it on the +1 does more than we so far know about this. If it is a sidegrade to the +1 it should do more to be a legitimate comparable item, don't mean it is. Having only the turbo I'll probably get this item because for me it is an upgrade.

As to the opinion about the Animators, response times, tactical processor and the like. Some people have done some testing, but how reliable are their tests? Do we know their raw data? Their methodology? What effect random elements in the game have on performance? Face it, we've all gotten our asses handed to us at 1 time or another in a fight our level/skill/build shows we should have won; random, extraneous factors do have an effect. So, I take it all with a grain of salt. The only thing to take for sure is a straight, unequivocal statement from a developer that "x does this", everything else is at best a probably.

[xbobx]

"PUP isn't a religion"

Why did you have to destroy everything I believe in. One sentence did so much harm.