KI-popped-NM Stealing

[Tamoa]

It is alot of American players. The Japanese usually don't do this. They usually wait, ask how many pops you got left or they even come back. I have had so many pops stolen or people go out of turn and don't reply to you by American players. I don't know why you guys are so rude. Everything in Abyssea can be obtained within time. Most drops are pretty common you guys don't have to be so disrespectful to other players. We are human beings just like you treat us with some respect.

Aren't you on Asura? Just asking because I have run into numerous JP groups doing the same NM(s) as my group, and they've been just as likely to ignore any requests for taking turns as any NA group I've encountered. Hell, a couple of days ago I decided to do my good deed of the day and help a stranger get Siege Bow from Chukwa, sure enough there were 2 other groups camping it, a JP group got claim and promptly said no to giving away the bow if it dropped.

I have had so many pops stolen

If this really is true then it sorta speaks for itself, sorry.

[Seriha]

If the claim system was fine, we wouldn't even be having this discussion about lost/stolen mobs. The whole "suck less" movement is a good example of the poison of MMO communities. Accident? Some group not as skilled? Who cares, they deserve what they get, right? Doesn't matter that their collective man hours are wasted or maybe that they're just trying to figure out an encounter for the first time (Hint: Not everyone reads wikis or seeks out fan sites).

The fact mobs can go yellow when a party/alliance has hate on it is a problem. The only time this should happen is on a complete wipe or possibly a new command like CFH where the party/alliance leader forfeits claim. If you wanna bitch other people taking too long, noobing it up, or whatever, that's more of a problem with mob availability and how timed spawns are bad while all popped mobs need multiple instances so everyone can get in, do their thing, then get out. So, not only do you fix the problem, but the temptations to create it.

[Greatguardian]

We're not having this discussion because the claim system is flawed.

We are having this discussion solely because people are sore losers when they wipe. We aren't talking about NMs randomly coming unclaimed during a fight. We are talking about Zombie tactics, 10/18 of the alliance is eating dirt while the NM chases a black mage, "I died but I got back up and someone took it" claim loss.

You could say "Suck less". Or you could just say "Lose gracefully". When you're half dead, beaten and battered, barely keeping anyone alive while you run an NM around, you've pretty much lost. If you keep the claim, good for you. If you lose the claim, better luck next time. Talking about poison and greed is completely uncalled for.

[Seriha]

As if people who've taken claims were never being sore losers in their own right.

Done right, how any other group performs, successful or not, wouldn't matter to anyone else. To argue that everything is a-ok now is not some mantle of skill or rite of passage, it's just a window for vultures to swoop in and grief people because they've convinced themselves they deserve the mob for whatever reason.

While the devs will never be able to stop people from being dicks to each other, they can minimize those chances.

[Meyi]

Hm, I don't know. I've had monsters randomly turn yellow while in the middle of fighting them. I didn't disengage, switch monsters, or die. Perhaps it's just a random glitch? I've never had a monster stolen while it happened.

Ah, but I do agree that if a group dies, well, just accept the fact that you wiped and allow the other groups who are standing to finish it off for you.

[svengalis]

Aren't you on Asura? Just asking because I have run into numerous JP groups doing the same NM(s) as my group, and they've been just as likely to ignore any requests for taking turns as any NA group I've encountered. Hell, a couple of days ago I decided to do my good deed of the day and help a stranger get Siege Bow from Chukwa, sure enough there were 2 other groups camping it, a JP group got claim and promptly said no to giving away the bow if it dropped.




If this really is true then it sorta speaks for itself, sorry.

No I am not. I am on Phoenix.

[svengalis]

We're not having this discussion because the claim system is flawed.

We are having this discussion solely because people are sore losers when they wipe. We aren't talking about NMs randomly coming unclaimed during a fight. We are talking about Zombie tactics, 10/18 of the alliance is eating dirt while the NM chases a black mage, "I died but I got back up and someone took it" claim loss.

You could say "Suck less". Or you could just say "Lose gracefully". When you're half dead, beaten and battered, barely keeping anyone alive while you run an NM around, you've pretty much lost. If you keep the claim, good for you. If you lose the claim, better luck next time. Talking about poison and greed is completely uncalled for.

Okay guys, we had a warrior and blue mage attacking Gukumatz. The blue mage looses connection and Gukumatz goes white WHILE the warrior is still attacking it. BTW Gukumatz was facing the WAR when he went white.

If you guys are going to sit and here and tell me there is not a problem then I don't know what else to say. This is an issue and it needs to be fixed.

This just happened to me last night. I don't even know why I am arguing with you over this. There is a flaw in the game.

[Rie]

Like I said in your other thread, if the BLU was the last person to swing at Gukumatz before he fully DC'd, this will cause the mob to go white. Your WAR should have pulled it away from the BLU to prevent it. I don't see anyone else having this much trouble keeping mobs claimed, maybe you should pay closer attention to what you're doing.

[Tamoa]

Okay guys, we had a warrior and blue mage attacking Gukumatz. The blue mage looses connection and Gukumatz goes white WHILE the warrior is still attacking it. BTW Gukumatz was facing the WAR when he went white.

If you guys are going to sit and here and tell me there is not a problem then I don't know what else to say. This is an issue and it needs to be fixed.

This just happened to me last night. I don't even know why I am arguing with you over this. There is a flaw in the game.

It's no different from when I did HNMs back @ 75 cap, sometimes person in the alliance was asked to go from one party to another, that person disbanded and all of a sudden everyone else in the alliance was unable to attack until the person that disbanded got invited again. Seen that happen so many times I have lost count. And the NM wasn't attacking the person that disbanded either.

I've seen what you are describing too, in most cases the mob will go purple for a brief second as the person d/cs, and then white. So yes, what Rie said - your war should have pulled Gukumatz away from the person that was d/cing so that person couldn't keep attacking Gukumatz.

And my bad, something you said in another thread made it sound like you're on Asura.

[Swords]

Wouldn't have done him a whole lot of good because people were probably just sitting there on his butt spamming chi blast, voke, charm, or whatever their choice of JA/spells they prefer to use leaving him little to no room for oppertunity to reclaim. And you can't really say it was his fault for it going yellow either, there could have been any number of reasons it went yellow, he couldn't have seen it coming or was not able to do something right away like voke being down.

I'm not saying everyone uses asshole tactics at every turn, but it's pretty foolish to say were not all guilty of doing it one time or another even if it's retaliation for an assholeish tactic done to you. Fact of the matter is however, a grand majority of people have as a whole have disreguarded those basic principles of courteousy and manners. Now the reasons vary why, you do it because others do it to you, you do it because you know the other groups around you do it, you do it because shell mates do it, you do it in retaliation for whatever reason (good or bad), or you just follow along with others when/if they claim even if you didn't even take part in claiming it. It pretty much comes down too this, people will grief and bitch no matter what glitch or tactic is used, no matter how virtus or self righteous you or your shell might be, and no matter if your gracious enough to return the drops or are greedier than a hungry snorlax, it just takes one person to be an asshat and it all goes downhill from there. While im all for fixing minor bugs that shouldn't be there, the person themselves need to accept that they've lost the mob, and either attempt to reclaim or join the claiming alliance for the remainder of the fight or drops.