Raise the Minimum Requirement for entering Abyssea to Lv70 or 75

[Leonlionheart]

It seems to me the best excuse any of you can come up with, is incompetence amongst the player base.

Personally I prefer Lv'ing the old fashioned way in groups of 6, because then everyone is required to do their part in order for EXP to flow in smoothly. Unlike in Abyssea, where it's possible for 2/3's of the alliance EXP PT do contribute barely anything, while some Super Hero like GG does all the work. Apparently we also need to pay homage to such Super-Hero's by handing them Lv90 jobs for practically nothing.

Not willing to go from 1~75 outside Abyssea, only shows your incompetence to LvUp a Job. Because you can out parse 80% of players who don't even bother contributing, doesn't make you "The Best of The Best", it makes you "The Best of The Worst". It makes you "feel" special, because the simple Abyssean game mechanics are designed that way.

Still being too stubborn to see the fact that if a player wants to be good at the job, he or she will do all they can to become good at that job, regardless the way they got to the level cap.

[Neisan_Quetz]

In case you somehow haven't figured out yet 90% of the playerbase is incompetent, and that's probably being generous. I can count the amount of competent players I've met in PUG on one hand, and 2 of them I can't even talk to because they don't speak english.

Leeching has nothing to do with it other than the fact they got 90 faster, pre level cap raise it sure as hell didn't stop people being incompetent at 75.

[Taylin]

you do realize that all the old content is still useful for something right? there are some really good atma you can get out of it, not that anyone would use much more than MM or RR.

[BorkBorkBork]

Just live by this rule. Don't invite people who don't know their jobs to events. EXP alliances don't count cause it's like little kids discovering their boy and girl parts for the first time so bitching OMG this person is ruining my exp alliance is silly. If you can't handle the new training wheel area head back to fields of valor or make your own alliances and never bitch again.

On a side note the argument of normal exp partyies teach you how to play is completely retarded. It all depends on the player. People will be a good players if they decide they want to. There were just as many mentally challenged players back then as there are now the only difference is they have emph weps .

[Ravenmore]

I will say one thing postive about the gimp players they were good at making parties. Couldn't play thier jobs worth a crap but they could put parties together to get them to cap.

[Kimble]

It seems to me the best excuse any of you can come up with, is incompetence amongst the player base.

Personally I prefer Lv'ing the old fashioned way in groups of 6, because then everyone is required to do their part in order for EXP to flow smoothly. Unlike in Abyssea, where it's possible for 2/3's of the alliance EXP PT do contribute barely anything, while some Super Hero like GG does all the work. Apparently we also need to pay homage to such Super-Hero's by handing them Lv90 jobs for practically nothing.

Not willing to go from 1~75 outside Abyssea, only shows your incompetence to LvUp a Job. Because you can out parse 80% of players who don't even bother contributing, doesn't make you "The Best of The Best", it makes you "The Best of The Worst". It makes you "feel" special, because the simple Abyssean game mechanics are designed that way.

So you agree then, someone who got 1-75 outside of abyssea, yet then does abyssea and does horribly damage wise, is as much as a leach as someone that burns 30-75?

[Meyi]

Still has not, and probably never will, address the fact that 90% of Level 90 players are leeches whenever they join EXP parties.

If your DD is a piece of utterly detestable garbage wearing 4% Haste, a completely unfinished Str GA, using Full Break and parsing less than 1% of the party's damage when I'm parsing 95%+ out of 18 people, you are a leech. If you are a SAM using Tachi: Gekko with a Hagun for 600 damage using a 7-hit and fulltiming a Wyvern Helm, you are a leech. If you're a NIN spamming level 40 Shuriken with a Fire Staff, you are a leech. If you are a Dark Knight ... just a Dark Knight, you are a leech.

Weak players leech off stronger players. The only change Abyssea made is that it no longer hurts the stronger players when they do so. I'd say that's a win-win.

I'll just leave this here:
http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/101...a-doctors-note

It's true. If people can't pull their weight they're leeching. It doesn't matter if they're level 30, 75, or 90. Raising the minimum cap to 75 will do no good.

[Akujima]

So you agree then, someone who got 1-75 outside of abyssea, yet then does abyssea and does horribly damage wise, is as much as a leach as someone that burns 30-75?

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

Bad players are bad players. It's a poor excuse to say that you should be pampered and be handed a Lv90 Job for free, just because there is incompetent players at ANY level. Regarding them as "Leeches" does not discredit their opportunity to improve themselves. They are not "Leeches", they are "Incompetent Players" and NOT both.

@Panthera: Allow me to expand more on your "Theory and Practice" topic, because you got something going there. Alot of the player base seem to think that research and theory have more to do with "skill" than practice does. Reflexes and reaction time have nothing to do with theory, but are learned through constant practice with the occurrence of various battle situations. It's a waste of peoples time because the new Lv90 has to learn how to tank/when to fish/what to heal because not every battle is "by the book".

[Neisan_Quetz]

How is a leech who doesn't know how to play the job any different from someone who doesn't leech and doesn't know how to play the job? Nothing at all other than one has been incompetent at the job for longer.

Because hand eye coordination is so hard. If you know how to make a macro you're probably smarter than 50% of the playerbase right there.

[BorkBorkBork]

Allow me to expand more on your "Theory and Practice" topic, because you got something going there. Alot of the player base seem to think that research and theory have more to do with "skill" than practice does. Reflexes and reaction time have nothing to do with theory, but are learned through constant practice with the occurrence of various battle situations. It's a waste of peoples time because the new Lv90 has to learn how to tank/when to fish/what to heal because not every battle is "by the book".

That's silly, I know a guy that soloed his whm/bst to 75 and it just made a whm that doesn't know anything about playing since he never took the time to research the job.
Any person that's capable of moving their fingers coherently can learn to play any job in this game in about an hour or less if they've taken the time to read up on it.

As for various battle situations again if you do your research odds are you'd be able to move them fingers at appropriate times.

Grinding out levels forever does nothing to remotely prepare you for going against harder mobs in larger group situations.