Can the abyssea debate come to an end?

[Sparthos]

Oh so I'm dishonest now, am I? Is the old content still there? Yes. Can people still do old content? Yes. I never once mentioned old content having relevant loot/reward. Actually, there are still some useful items to get from salvage/limbus/sea. And some people like doing those events just for fun.

I don't disagree with certain aspects of the game being too easy. But abyssea leeching isn't one of those things. In my opinion. That doesn't make me post on this forum trying to convince SE to get rid of all exp mobs above level 30 outside of abyssea.

People are not swayed by fun and in most cases it boils down to raw, unadulterated "what do i get from this?". Sad fact? Yes. Too many people choose to pretend the ideal is something other than the above.

The masses are swayed by loot.

I called your post dishonest because you're leaving out a huge component which is "how do I get people to do events they get nothing from?". Yeah, Assaults, Ashu Talif, BCNMs, Quests and Missions are available to do at any time but it's very hard to get people to do something when Abyssea has made it irrelevant. It's not an easy task by any measure, especially for content like Nyzul which need multiple repeats in order to succeed.

You're misleading people into a sense that they can simply log in, shout something like Garrison 50 and head out without any issues.

You'll basically need to find a good core of friends (difficult task) who are likeminded or simply shout and hope you find some people who are bored enough / willing enough to help you for nothing. Either way, it's far harder than simply stating "well the content is there" cause stuff like Garrison is there but that doesn't mean anyone is going to be jumping at the opportunity to do it.

It's likely SE will in the future attempt to repurpose these events like Dynamis but right now, its the Abyssea way or the highway.

[Akujima]

We play the game the way we choose to and we do the things we mostly enjoy.

Well, I enjoy doing Ballista and Brenner. But it's nearly impossible to find people to do those events with. Why do you think that is?

Should the minority suffer always? Is it right to have options that appease only the majority, while making the minority hide in the shadows? And when one of us has the guts to come out and say something about it, we just get shunned and ridiculed about how we don't fit in, because nothing of what we say has any importance, right?

I mean the Earth would still be flat, if there weren't people in the minority to speak out against what they strongly believe is truthful. We aren't going to go away just because you continue to shove us in the corner and expect us not to eventually speak up about it. In fact we'll most likely have better observations from seeing things on the outside, than just being lost in some ravenous shopping spree for equipment/gear.

Call me a nostalgic fanboy for enjoying classic Squaresoft/Square-Enix titles, if that makes you happy. And I did enjoy "oldschool FFXI" much more than the current version. But I will call you even more fanboy-ish, if you can't even take a step back to see how Square-Enix is botching their own games.

[wish12oz]

I got all the jobs leveled above 70 I wanted, let the noobs have their lvl 70+ onry entry limit I say!

Is it right to have options that appease only the majority

Yes.
This is one of the things the United States was founded on and believes in, you won't find much support here in the english forums.

[Akujima]

People are not swayed by fun and in most cases it boils down to raw, unadulterated "what do i get from this?". Sad fact? Yes. Too many people choose to pretend the ideal is something other than the above.

The masses are swayed by loot.

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You're misleading people into a sense that they can simply log in, shout something like Garrison 50 and head out without any issues.

Are people reading this? Are the Dev's reading this? Excellent points like these are not to be skimmed over and taken lightly.


I'll play Ballista/Brenner to have fun, because my goal when playing a game is to have fun first. Equipment that I work towards is just secondary. But since it's hard to find people to do Ballista with you, because the {Reward:} = Fun, it would be misleading to say that Ballista or Brenner even exist as events now.

[wish12oz]

Are people reading this? Are the Dev's reading this? Excellent points like these are not to be skimmed over and taken lightly.

Did you just now figure this out?
That's the way every online game I have ever played has been, and I am sure SE knows this too, that's why they put rewards into every system they introduce.

[Tamoa]

I called your post dishonest because you're leaving out a huge component which is "how do I get people to do events they get nothing from?". Yeah, Assaults, Ashu Talif, BCNMs, Quests and Missions are available to do at any time but it's very hard to get people to do something when Abyssea has made it irrelevant.

If these events are irrelevant, why does anyone want to do them at all, including the anti-abyssea crowd?

[Akujima]

If these events are irrelevant, why does anyone want to do them at all, including the anti-abyssea crowd?

Because Ballista is fun, Nyzul Isle is fun and seeing new places and opening up new quests and interesting storylines is fun.

And the Dev teams hardwork for making all these fun, interesting scenario's shouldn't go to waste.

[Ramsos]

Because Ballista is fun, Nyzul Isle is fun and seeing new places and opening up new quests and interesting storylines is fun.

And the Dev teams hardwork for making all these fun, interesting scenario's shouldn't go to waste.

How does people leeching in abyssea have anything to do with ballista?

[Tamoa]

Well, I enjoy doing Ballista and Brenner. But it's nearly impossible to find people to do those events with. Why do you think that is?

Because the majority of FFXI players have absolutely no interest in it, that's why. It was never a very popular event, abyssea didn't have any impact on that.

I mean the Earth would still be flat, if there weren't people in the minority to speak out against what they strongly believe is truthful. We aren't going to go away just because you continue to shove us in the corner and expect us not to eventually speak up about it.

The earth is not flat, and that is a proven fact. You dislike how FFXI currently is, that is an opinion. Big difference there.

Because Ballista is fun, Nyzul Isle is fun and seeing new places and opening up new quests and interesting storylines is fun.

Again, that is only YOUR OPINION. Other people don't necessarily find those things fun, you know?

[Sayelle]

Because Ballista is fun, Nyzul Isle is fun and seeing new places and opening up new quests and interesting storylines is fun.

And the Dev teams hardwork for making all these fun, interesting scenario's shouldn't go to waste.

I did all of the old "fun" events until they weren't fun anymore, and most of the people how have played this game for more than a year have as well. Sometimes old content just needs to be put out to pasture, or reworked so that it stays rewarding like they did with dynamis.