Thief Treasure Hunter

Now that SoA is releasing all these high level gears. One of the items that give us +1 Treasure hunter is Thief Knife which is a level 70 dagger.

Problem is this item is DMG 28. And as more gear is coming out, the further the gap in power Thief is falling behind off handing an item that's becoming outdated.

Any plans on adjusting items like these or giving us new items to bring us up on par with the new level ranges?

You only need to macro in a three line macro with thf knife / asn.gloves+2 /raiders boots+2, with a <wait 4> on the third line to give you time to hit the mob, and then switch your regular tp gear & /sub knife back in with the remaining three lines of the macro. The time/tp lost doing this are negligable even if you are solo and need tp for cures. If you are sneak-attack an unclaimed mob you can hit the macro inbetween SA and engage.
I do see your point though that there should and most likely will be a soa dagger with high dmg and TH+2 or something. But the low dmg on thfs knife makes no diffference at all if you macro it in for th the mob.

I think a better idea as has been suggested before, is a TH hard cap and then equipment outside of weapons that can hit that cap. Having TH on daggers without a cap will just mean duel weilding two (probably) terrible daggers. If TH could be capped on say an earring and a ring, or legs/feet or some other peice of gear then THF could go for better weapons.

I think they should make a new knife w/ TH+1 andthen giv it a latent of TH-1. latent active if Thief's knife is equipped if they worried about two daggers being used.

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Originally Posted by Stompa

I do see your point though that there should and most likely will be a soa dagger with high dmg and TH+2 or something. But the low dmg on thfs knife makes no diffference at all if you macro it in for th the mob.

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As I said before, if you don't full time TH gear (and to a much lesser extent full timing THF knife because I am NOT about to drop my mandau)then you are wasting your time caring about TH at all.

THF should not be giving up DPS perks for TH effect as TH is a trait, and it's time they kick the design habit out the door. They then need to form a hard cap and replace the knife for good with TH on other gear so we can stop being gimped once we attain the sure fire new upgrades for TH gear that will kick THF knife out the door for good. This is the only way to go about it unless you want to deliver a very clear FU message to THFs everywhere by remaining with the tired low DPS TH dagger + no haste/att/str hand and feet TH gear system. No other trait has such harsh tradeoffs to exist on gear. I know I'm being alittle harsh here as stats on TH gear are not entirely useless, but still. I'd like for new hands/feet versions with DPS themed stats so I can switch between the two differing sets depending on need. As a side note, I'd like to see TH+ on most slots so I have options in a hard cap environment. Fast cast, DA, TA. You name it. They don't exist on just 3 slots. They exist EVERYWHERE. And it wouldn't be the end of the world if other jobs got the TH+ treatment because at the end of the day when you want TH, you go THF. But for the most part when I say put TH + everywhere, I mean on the THF JSE kind of stuff.

With all that said it appears they are not ignoring this problem and acknowledge it as a problem, but I don't believe there is anything to date to suggest they are working on fixing the problem.

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Originally Posted by Archades

I think they should make a new knife w/ TH+1 andthen giv it a latent of TH-1. latent active if Thief's knife is equipped if they worried about two daggers being used.

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That's not a bad idea, actually. I could live with it assuming the replacement dagger wasn't tailor made to troll us with 50 base damage. Still, I kind of like my ideas better just 'cause I want to get rid of TH daggers period due to the requirement of full timing TH gear to max it's effect. But your idea is definitely better for SE and is likely they'd go with it.

iirc, I think Matsui said that there will be new TH gear... So... theoretically....
There might be enough TH in the new equipment that makes the +1 from the Thief Knife not needed.
I wonder if they'd release another dagger with it...
I'd prefer them to release another piece... somewhere else. A ring maybe? That way, ppl who don't main THF (or even gear it super well... I know my THF is just for the TH, so this would be my category) can get max TH (since they don't care about THF as anything except TH) and ppl who DO main/care about THF can loose the Thief Knife for an optimal dagger while maintaining (or exceeding) current TH.
(by exceeding, I'm talking about... say a ring or whatever that's not a boot or an glove... with TH+2 or even +3. TH-THF ppl will just equip that along with the Thief's Knife, Assassin Armlets+2 and Raider's Poulaines+2 to get a max TH with little effort at the cost of dmg.... because they are just being THF for the TH. "Real" -ie main/cares-about-the-job- THFs can then drop the dagger and come out +1 more than the current +4.)

You know how you can augment Relic +2 and it still keeps the Relic +2 name rather than +3? What about a Magian Trial for the knife as well? Do some sort of quest and the augmented Thief Knife offers better damage, maybe another nice perk like Triple Attack +X%

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Originally Posted by Vold

As I said before, if you don't full time TH gear (and to a much lesser extent full timing THF knife because I am NOT about to drop my mandau)then you are wasting your time caring about TH at all.

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Well my normal THF game is approach the mob, SA, hit my TH macro which slots in thf knife(sub) hands and feet for TH+4, then hit the mob, and the macro /wait command slots my normal melee hands, feet and sub knife back into place. Then as I melee with zero TH+ gear equipped, I get the first TH spark/tick which announces the mob now has TH8 on it, despite the fact that I'm meleeing with zero TH gear. I don't understand why people melee fulltime with TH gear on, you just need that first hit and then continue to build ticks in your best gear. The TP I normally lose if I use the macro during battle, is usually around 50tp or so, which is unimportant in my game at least.
But I do think they should add a current dagger with powerful stats and TH, so people who wanted to offhand it and not use macro swapouts, could do so. I use the magian storeTP dagger in offhand, I don't think I'd change it for a fulltime HQ thf knife anyway, but the option should be there for ppl that want it.

You full time because one of the few things about TH that SE has ever revealed is that your chances of getting a TH increase is related to your base TH. The greater the difference between your base TH and the current TH on the mob, the less a chance you'll get another increase. So you start with TH7 base, proc TH8, switch to no TH gear (base TH3) - less chance you will ever hit TH9+.

Is this logical? *shrug* But that is how it is.

I'm not sure about that, I brewed Shinryu a lot on solo thf, open with SA feint bully and TH+4 gear which I swap out immediately after the first hit. Most times the opening SA/feint/bully doesnt trigger a spark despite the TH7 base, but then when I swap to haste gear and magian offhander, I will typically get two sparks in the three minute brew (with no TH gear on at all.) Using this strat I can't remember a time I haven't got TH9, and frequently higher than that. I also see similar TH sparks on other NM's, with the TH7 at start and then TH3base for the rest of the fight with frequent ticks/sparks. As I understood it, the ticks are percentile rolls and random luck, I've never noticed any decrease when I swap the TH gear out. But thats just my experience, and it mirrors what other THFs have told me over the years.

A hard cap would be nice but whose to say what that cap will be if Thief knife continues to exist? People regardless will use knife on top of what's added onto gear. Also through Atma Thief can proc 10+ so as long as atma exist I don't know how can TH be hard capped.

I'm just hoping that all other TH will be combined into 1 piece on to the new AF4.

I also don't have high hopes for TH to be increased higher than it already is.

In the meantime, DMG 28 does suck, and having to Macro in Theif knife is not a great solution due to TP. I'd hate to have extra macros for 1 task. Maybe it works for doing bosses and bigger things but I use my Thief for farming and losing TP for switching weapons between each kill wouldn't be good on mobs you kill quickly.

It seems SE is trying to improve ourselves with ilvl gear and hopefully heading in the direction of implementing gear so we don't have to carry so much for our sets
So unless SE removes Thief knife and atma all together, I think adding in a new dagger would be good with better stats.

Is any TH worth getting over TH3 anyway? XD J/k j/k. I was always hard grained by people that any TH gained over TH3 is so negligible ,in helping with drops, its pointless anyway, lol. Maybe I should stop listening to people. :X

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Originally Posted by Infidi

Is any TH worth getting over TH3 anyway? XD J/k j/k. I was always hard grained by people that any TH gained over TH3 is so negligible ,in helping with drops, its pointless anyway, lol. Maybe I should stop listening to people. :X

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Uh.. yeah... huge difference especially if you are using Atma in Abyssea.

Basically, the reason you fulltime TH gear is that not only gives you the highest "base" TH when starting, but the highest chance to proc further TH bonuses as you fight.

Ironically, the lower DPS also means more chances to proc your TH bonuses as you end up having to get more hits in on the mob to kill it. Updating it is a huge problem- it has to be in some fashion that makes using Thief's Knife with the new +TH weapon impossible, or else we're just going to be asked to dual wield the new and old weapon together for maximum TH instead.

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Originally Posted by Rustic

Basically, the reason you fulltime TH gear is that not only gives you the highest "base" TH when starting, but the highest chance to proc further TH bonuses as you fight.

Ironically, the lower DPS also means more chances to proc your TH bonuses as you end up having to get more hits in on the mob to kill it. Updating it is a huge problem- it has to be in some fashion that makes using Thief's Knife with the new +TH weapon impossible, or else we're just going to be asked to dual wield the new and old weapon together for maximum TH instead.

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They do that all the time already. Items that don't stack. :)

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__...ra_earring.jpg

NOTE: Does not stack with Sheltered Ring.

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Originally Posted by Daemon

Uh.. yeah... huge difference especially if you are using Atma in Abyssea.

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That reminded me of another question! :D Does TH effect empy weapon item drops, or just the equipment and random items NMs drop?

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Originally Posted by Infidi

That reminded me of another question! :D Does TH effect empy weapon item drops, or just the equipment and random items NMs drop?

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It depends. If you are hunting items like Sobek skins, Kukulkan fangs. Yes.

But not Voidwatch HMP. That's a different Proc system.

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Originally Posted by Daemon

It depends. If you are hunting items like Sobek skins, Kukulkan fangs. Yes.

But not Voidwatch HMP. That's a different Proc system.

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Yeah meant items like Sobek Skins. Really? I was always told that it didnt XD. All lies! :(

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Originally Posted by Infidi

Yeah meant items like Sobek Skins. Really? I was always told that it didnt XD. All lies! :(

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One myth I was told, TH Sash from Abyssea La Theine Plateua is good for Sobek.

Sobek Skin Discussion
http://trainedprofessional.guildwork...5cb268f001b132

Briarius Discussion
http://www.ffxivpro.com/forum/topic/...briareus-help/
Its briarus, BLU/WAR, set defensive traits and use a mild evasion build. Stun all his TP moves, delta thrust and heavy stike make it a fairly quick fight even without CDC. If he does manage to get off a mercurial strike for 1111 dmg, turn and kite him through the stones. Not much else to it. Set TH if you can afford the set points and TH+1 Tarutaru sash if you have it macrod to tag him to TH2, should get 2 helms more often than not.

For best results have Max TH from gear + Atma of Dread.

Atma of the Dread
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__...a_of_Dread.jpg
Magic Evasion+:Minor
Treasure Hunter+:Minor (+1)
Samba Duration:Minor

The only way I see making hard cap possible is if SE releases an item that has all TH combined with the condition that says Thief knife does not stack upon wearing such gear.

Which would be good because those who don't have that piece of gear could still use thief knife. More for Casuals that don't have the new item yet. And those who do have the combine piece could leave out thief knife and equip something else.

But then they would have to modify the low damage condition. I think Critical hit rate should be the condition for Procing TH though, I mean we do have plenty of gear to support this. Between critical hit rate and Double/triple/quadruple attack plus haste it would work.

tbh, it's easy

Adjust thief's knife to be latent effect: offhand only, and make a new knife with the same properties.

It would stop people for thief's knifing things to death as well.

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Originally Posted by OmnysValefor

tbh, it's easy

Adjust thief's knife to be latent effect: offhand only, and make a new knife with the same properties.

It would stop people for thief's knifing things to death as well.

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Wouldn't it be better not to have another dagger and just have all TH on 1 gear piece? You mean make TH only work offhand? Certainly would stop people from main handing it.

Might be inconvenient in quick situations for those that don't have macro set though.

They're just not big on removing things from the game, or heavily altering them. There's also nothing wrong with losing a little dps for the sake of utility. But when one dagger hits for 150 and the other for 30, thats a little old.

I wish SE added stronger debuff daggers. That way thief can actually be useful in parties than be stricted to SATA and TH. but they would have to remove condition of full timing TH Dagger which is why I made that suggesstion about combining TH into gear and changing proc to be crit based.

Lower level TH would have to be by chance due to not having enough crit gear options. I think add on TH above TH3 should give % of Procing based on Crit.

Would be cool to see thieves constantly cycling through different debuff daggers throughout the fight is what I'm saying.

I also think SE should change the lose TP upon changing weapons already =p never understood why have that limit.

Not like there is much to abuse removing such a limit. Just strict Kraken club to it.

Even so kraken club only feeds TP to mobs and puts entire party at risk so I still don't understand why the limit is there. Not like we can go past 300 TP

If they still think its still Over Powered, they could just add more drain TP abilities on bosses. And no I'm not suggesting to add reduce TP to 0 like Chloris =p

Unless the limit was placed there due to memory issues from PS2.

Gee SE ditch PS2 and recode FFXI already D: offer a 3 month free subscription service to all PS2 players that move over to PC and then discontinue support. Everyone will win.

Although if Lose TP upon changing weapon was implemented based on PS2 limitations, I mean hundreds of people TPing at the same time I'm sure has effect to why the limit was there.

Why not reduce the 300% TP down to 200% or 100% and increase the power of all WS? If Matsui is really serious about taking FFXI into a new direction, removing lose TP upon changing weapon would be a big improvement over a system that has been unaltered 11 years.

Not off topic btw as TP does tie into Thiefs ability to have existence in events.

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Originally Posted by Rustic

Basically, the reason you fulltime TH gear is that not only gives you the highest "base" TH when starting, but the highest chance to proc further TH bonuses as you fight.

Ironically, the lower DPS also means more chances to proc your TH bonuses as you end up having to get more hits in on the mob to kill it. Updating it is a huge problem- it has to be in some fashion that makes using Thief's Knife with the new +TH weapon impossible, or else we're just going to be asked to dual wield the new and old weapon together for maximum TH instead.

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I sort of half-agree, if I'm fighting some old-areas NM I will always fulltime heart-snatcher+thf's knife because they are puny, so I can get ticks before its health is gone.
But my original point is that on stronger NM's you macro out the TH4 build after the first hit, replacing it with haste & triple-attack gear. The reason this is logical is that if every hit by a thf has a base percentile chance of sparking a TH tick, so wearing nothing but haste and triple-attack gear or a multi-hit knife gives you faster and more numerous hits, therefore more rolls on the percentile TH roll, than if you were wearing clunky slow TH+gear.

Treasure Hunter procs can only proc on the Main hand first hit, not offhand hits nor Triple Attack hits... Only the first main hand hit.

Second, unless you're fighting something like Fafnir or whatever and just need every ounce of TH for the sake of it, Never fulltime TH Gear, and don't even bother equipping your Thiefs Knife, and in Abyssea? Atma of the Dread is deadweight. Killspeed gained from a DD Atma will vastly outweigh any difference that TH1 will have for a Thief. now if you're not on THF, do whatever you feel with it.

Third, TH Past 3/4 is so vastly underwhelming its basically a placebo, so unless you plan on parsing 1,000~2,000 kills you'll never eyeball the difference in TH4 and TH5+. If you think you have? you're wrong, wrongo, wrongsies, wrongomatic, pick your favorite interpretation or made up "wrong" word from the list but you're it.

TH is by far the least remarkable Job Trait(past TH3/4) in FFXI and the most annoying to break the stigma from. Everyone has their "buts" and "ifs" when it comes to superstitions about TH. most of them are wrong. Mainhanding THF's knife was a thing, "THF Gets last hit" was a thing, everytime we learn more people create more wild theories to fill in the blanks.

Right now, As per SE's telling us, Your base TH Gear determines your upgrade rate upon landing the hit. Meaning if you keep on you TH7 Gear, you'll have an easier time hitting 8+ than you would if you dequipped it. Which i personally find blasphemously retarded especially since they still haven't replaced Thiefs Knife but what can you do... Furthermore, While TH5+ Does effect drop rate, the % in which it effects it is so small its within the realm of reasonable doubt unless you have a 2,000+ sample size, even then you might see variables favoring TH4 over TH6 because the % increase is so small...

Long story short unless you absolutely need TH8 for whatever comforting reason it might give you, its pretty pointless to keep on TH Gear after the first hit.

Thief's Knife should never be in your hand unless you're doing a single fight and want to TH as high as possible because you can (Behemoth, etc)... As any good Thief will tell you if you're fighting many enemies, Like Dynamis or something, Killspeed gained through a superior offhand >>>>>>>>>>> TH+1 for average drops/hr.

Oh, and my post isn't directed at anyone posting in this thread, just simply something i know about TH from being the job for 11 years and reading up on every bit of information i can find regarding TH and the THF job.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

TH is by far the least remarkable Job Trait(past TH3/4) in FFXI and the most annoying to break the stigma from. Everyone has their "buts" and "ifs" when it comes to superstitions about TH. most of them are wrong. Mainhanding THF's knife was a thing, "THF Gets last hit" was a thing, everytime we learn more people create more wild theories to fill in the blanks.

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'Mandalic Stab killshot' as a TH+1 was another of those myths, and some people were totally sure about it back then.

Murphy's Law...it seemed to me that the more TH I got onto Glavoid the drop was only one...it seemed that anytime it got over 8..one. At 8 I got 2. TH seems to be a little over rated. I helped thru 4 weapons...we all noticed it a lot, and laughed.

Wouldn't it be great if they just made a permanent KI from a NM fight that gave TH+8 and didn't stack with gear so that once you had it, you didn't need to swap in TH gear any more?

Or, made an ammo item with +8 that didn't stack with other TH+ from gear?

Wouldn't that be nice? I mean I know they want us to have to choose, but isn't just bringing a thief at all a big enough sacrifice to DPS as it is?

On a related note, you will now be able to dual wield apothic kukris. Weeee!

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Originally Posted by OmnysValefor

tbh, it's easy

Adjust thief's knife to be latent effect: offhand only, and make a new knife with the same properties.

It would stop people for thief's knifing things to death as well.

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Nope. We'd then be told to offhand TK (like I do now) and mainhand the new one.

TK is so omnipresent because it carries a unique effect on it as a weapon. Said effect, if duplicated on a dual-wieldable weapon will result in people simply wielding both to get the maximum TH possible.

I've said it before- the best way to fix it is to simply render any better weapon with a TH bonus so blatantly NOT for dealing damage that we can just be the droprate generator they want us to be and can't even try to whine about us not hurting the mob. If S-E gave us, say "Golden Gloves" with relatively low DMG, Treasure Hunter +3, and bonuses to proccing TH+, I can guarantee you they'd become required THF gear just for the TH bonus alone. That's how important drop rates are to people. We'd become the characters that literally punch the mob until all the good candy comes out.

Or, if something negates Thief's Knife by wielding it to get better TH, we'd be stuck wielding THAT instead. Because loot is the biggest reason you want a Thief in there. Not damage, not anything else. Loot.

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Originally Posted by Rustic

Nope. We'd then be told to offhand TK (like I do now) and mainhand the new one.

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That can't happen if SE made both unstackable.

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Originally Posted by Rustic

Nope. We'd then be told to offhand TK (like I do now) and mainhand the new one.

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You should have read what I said when you replied to what I said.

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Originally Posted by OmnysValefor

You should have read what I said when you replied to what I said.

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Yeah he did say it but its ok at first I was confused too.

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Originally Posted by OmnysValefor

Adjust thief's knife to be latent effect: offhand only

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Add a Piece of ARMOR (Visible or not, Something other than weapon) That has something like...:

Thief's Band
(ring)
Fluffstat(Or not)
Latent Effect: Treasure Hunter +1
Lv.90~+?

Latent Active when Thief's Knife is not equipped. This removes the need to wear a weapon that will nerf us, and will be as convenient as Gloves/Feet currently are (Easily equipped/removed without hurting out DPS so badly)

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Best solution. Period.

Short of a permanent Key Item.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

Best solution. Period.

Short of a permanent Key Item.

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Sacrificing ring slot to make it happen? I dunno which one, eponas or Rajas? Unless it makes no difference equipping TH full time.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

TH Past 3/4 is so vastly underwhelming its basically a placebo, so unless you plan on parsing 1,000~2,000 kills you'll never eyeball the difference in TH4 and TH5+. If you think you have? you're wrong, wrongo, wrongsies, wrongomatic, pick your favorite interpretation or made up "wrong" word from the list but you're it.

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Well I'm sorry but I do have to disagree even though you say I am wrong but I've spent hours trying to farm gorget quest items in SEA and from having Theif sub plus Tarutaru sash with TH1 VS Max TH on thief. I've noticed drops were better as Thief than using it as a sub.

I've done SEA endless hours enough to puke and never go back for a good while that although the difference isn't as massive as TH1 and Max TH, over time I could tell there is a difference from TH3/4 vs Max TH.

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Originally Posted by Daemon

Sacrificing ring slot to make it happen? I dunno which one, eponas or Rajas? Unless it makes no difference equipping TH full time.

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It'd be a Macro swap piece that doesn't involve wasting your TP away. If you're mass farming for an extended period, any good THF would tell you the DPS Gained from throwing your Thief's Knife off the nearest window would far outweigh its TH+1, and fulltiming TH Gear at all for more than "1 big kill" like say, Behemoth or something where max TH wouldn't hurt is nothing short of unreasonable siding on insane.

I will stick by that 10,000%. Putting on Max TH Gear (Minus THF knife) for the first hit then switching to your DPS gear will always give you better drops per hour than fulltiming TH Gear or a Thief's Knife.

I should note, I'm saying this not knowing if you Fulltime TH Gear so its not meaning a direct insult to you... If you happen to fulltime TH Gear then it comes off as an indirect insult and i apologize, But you should never fulltime TH gear, ever. If you're on THF, TH6 is more than enough, TH7+ while nice, is not worth the DPS lost, it just simply isn't,

Again there are some extenuating circumstanced, but for the common farming situation, Its not wise to Fulltime it.

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Originally Posted by Daemon

Well I'm sorry but I do have to disagree even though you say I am wrong but I've spent hours trying to farm gorget quest items in SEA and from having Theif sub plus Tarutaru sash with TH1 VS Max TH on thief. I've noticed drops were better as Thief than using it as a sub.

I've done SEA endless hours enough to puke and never go back for a good while that although the difference isn't as massive as TH1 and Max TH, over time I could tell there is a difference from TH3/4 vs Max TH.

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On items like Sea pieces where they have a noticeably high drop rate already, the drop % increase would be a tad more noticeable i suppose. But TH3/4 (mostly 4.) and TH7+ the drop rate you notice on those isn't as high as you may suspect, if your parsed yourself you'd see they're probably within 5% of eachother or less, and in the long run fulltiming TH Gear is hindering your kills/hr, I explained it above.

Edit: PS if you do Fulltime TH Gear, do me a favor and stop. You're better than that.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

It'd be a Macro swap piece that doesn't involve wasting your TP away. If you're mass farming for an extended period, any good THF would tell you the DPS Gained from throwing your Thief's Knife off the nearest window would far outweigh its TH+1, and fulltiming TH Gear at all for more than "1 big kill" like say, Behemoth or something where max TH wouldn't hurt is nothing short of unreasonable siding on insane.

I will stick by that 10,000%. Putting on Max TH Gear (Minus THF knife) for the first hit then switching to your DPS gear will always give you better drops per hour than fulltiming TH Gear or a Thief's Knife.

I should note, I'm saying this not knowing if you Fulltime TH Gear so its not meaning a direct insult to you... If you happen to fulltime TH Gear then it comes off as an indirect insult and i apologize, But you should never fulltime TH gear, ever. If you're on THF, TH6 is more than enough, TH7+ while nice, is not worth the DPS lost, it just simply isn't,

Again there are some extenuating circumstanced, but for the common farming situation, Its not wise to Fulltime it.



On items like Sea pieces where they have a noticeably high drop rate already, the drop % increase would be a tad more noticeable i suppose. But TH3/4 (mostly 4.) and TH7+ the drop rate you notice on those isn't as high as you may suspect, if your parsed yourself you'd see they're probably within 5% of eachother or less, and in the long run fulltiming TH Gear is hindering your kills/hr, I explained it above.

Edit: PS if you do Fulltime TH Gear, do me a favor and stop. You're better than that.

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I've never full timed TH gear unless I'm lazy to hit macros on stuff that doesn't require changing multiple gears for mobs that die fast and items that drop too quick to make a difference.

The point is, if SE does intend to upgrade thief, I'm just sharing ideas to give us better things than asking us to use several pieces to do 1 task thats is no longer efficient since inventory is an issue.