We got into a lore discussion in our linkshell and no one seemed to know... if Abyssea is supposed to be Vana'diel if the Beastmen won the Crystal War, where are the beast men? o.o
Why are Goblins the only beastmen in Abyssea?
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08-04-2012, 01:14 AMViviviviWhy are Goblins the only beastmen in Abyssea?
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08-04-2012, 01:19 AMTrisscar
They're not, there are Tonberries and Gigas in Aby as well. If you're trying to say that there aren't enough different types of beast men in Aby than I'd agree with you. However, I don't think that's going to change.
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08-04-2012, 01:19 AMZeargi
It's not if the Beastmen won the Crystal war. It's "What If" you lost the last battle in CoP
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08-04-2012, 01:27 AMEric
I don't understand how that means that all of a sudden Orcs, Yagudo, and Quadavs would disappear.
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08-04-2012, 01:38 AMZeargiI'd have to surmise, they most likely got annihilated in the initial onslaught seeing how most of their strongholds are near the starting cities, or are sealed in the other areas of Abyssea that we can never reach. Out of all the Beastmen, they are the weakest. I mean, Gigas can survive in pretty much any environment. Goblins live and mine underground, but have technology which would have been their saving grace over the Antica which would have thrown themselves like lemmings to the fray to protect their colony. And let's be honest, Tonberries... They're in every FF game for a reason, they're THAT bad ass.Quote:
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08-04-2012, 01:44 AMsvengalisI don't think you need to kill any of those for any magian trials. I think most of the mobs in abyssea were put there to make magian trials easier but that is just a guess on my part. You got to have goblins though it just doesn't feel like ffxi without goblins.Quote:
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08-04-2012, 01:54 AMTrisscarToAU didn't have goblins every where like other parts of the game.Quote:
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08-04-2012, 02:05 AMTeranikuActually Lady Lillith's now Alternate timeline in Wings of the Goddess is what happens when we lost the Crystal War. Abyssea is what happens after we lost the fight with Promathia at the end of CoP.Quote:
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08-04-2012, 02:33 AMEric
Spoilers all over this thread. :(
I stopped reading at "Lady Lillith," 'cause I still haven't finished WotG. -
08-04-2012, 02:41 AMDemon6324236Honestly I think that was the only post with a spoiler, not sure though.Quote:
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08-04-2012, 03:16 AMPlasticlegi'm pretty certain that the three main beastmen have already stormed and claimed the major cities of abyssea. (meaning they now inhabit the main cities)Quote:
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hence why the "lackeys" (gobbies and gigas) are roaming the wilderness to pick off survivors who fled the cities. -
08-04-2012, 03:20 AMCamiie
Notice how the Crags are gone and the Beastmen's main fortresses all sit on top of the Crystal Line? If the Emptiness devoured the Crags, then one could theorize it traveled down the Line and did a number on them too. Not to mention that Giddeus, Fort G., and Pal. Mines are most likely completely gone or at least cut off from the part of Abyssea we can access. Now, yeah that doesn't explain why there are NO Yags/Orcs/Quads left. It would only explain a serious reduction in their population.
It could simply be explained by a divergent history where the Allied Forces managed to completely annihilate the Beastmen to the point of genocide. Maybe something else wiped them out. I guess we need an official Abyssea historical timeline, but I'm pretty sure that's not in the pipes. -
08-04-2012, 05:08 AMTeranikuDepends on where you are at in WotG. I knew who Lady Lillith was the minute she showed up, and if you know who she really is, it's not really a spoiler.Quote:
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08-04-2012, 06:08 AMKomoriAgreed. I'm only on like mission 14 but the first time they showed her I was like "The names are similar and they kind of look alike" and with the younger version of her and her...situation with her family. It was kind of easy to see what happened; the rest of it was just filler which is why I haven't finished it yet though I will eventually. But anyway, it would be nice if they expanded more deeply into the abyssea lore. Basically all we know is that Promathia won and wrecked the place; would be nice to know exactly all that happened.Quote:
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08-04-2012, 06:15 AMPlasticlegI thought the quests in the zones expanded that a little with the extreme walls of text. I could be wrong, though. I think the events in the Abyssea questlines happen within a month of our abyssean counterparts wiping to Promathia.Quote:
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Doesn't Promathia absorb Sel'theus then becomes Shinryu? -
08-04-2012, 06:23 AMKomori
Yes, that's what happened and changed his appearence.
And they do expand on how it happened. But they don't really expand on what all happened. Kind of get what I mean? We know how we got to that point in the dimension but not everything inbetween. -
08-04-2012, 08:38 AMLisotte
So where does ocarina of time and a link to the past fit into the timeline?
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08-04-2012, 08:38 AMEdyth
Why can't the beastmen just be chillin' in their fortresses, which we can't access in Abyssea?
More seriously, maybe the Quadav, Yagudo, and Orcs were killed by the Abyssean hordes?
After all, those Gigas, Tonberries, and Goblins are parts of the Abyssean hordes. They respawn at higher levels and at faster rates as they're killed, which is the definitive trait of the horde monsters according to NPCs.
Considering there aren't any normal monsters in Abyssea, I assume that the hordes killed all normal monsters, at least in the areas we can visit.
Also, there are Qiqirn in Abyssea. -
08-04-2012, 11:26 AMHashmalum
Some of the goblins are worshippers of Promathia (CoP quests and missions make this clear). Promathia won. The Yagudo and Quadav have their own gods and the Orcs worship demons. The goblins were spared, the Yagudo, Orcs, and Quadav were not. That doesn't explain the continued existence of Tonberries though. I guess not all of them were worshippers of Uggalepih? The CoP Tonberries were different from the other Tonberries; for one thing, they didn't use Everyone's Grudge. I'd guess that some of the Tonberries weren't Uggalepih fanatics and converted to Promathia to be spared.
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08-04-2012, 01:09 PMRosina
the tonberries are the kulu... just fyi...
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08-04-2012, 01:38 PMMetaking
a certain sand-worms drop (i think) explains what happen to the yags just look at what the body looks like that it makes >.>
the qudava tho living in swamps are miners as well and heavy on the def so there probably turtled up somewhere
the orcs make me wonder tho, there in 2 very well defend-able areas and are militant as they come really would come down to if they called for reinforcement from the rest of the orchis host.....
the gigas like the gnoles i think completely fell to promys influence
all and all abysea has alot of holes that se could have easily expanded on story wize and given us good content >.> -
08-04-2012, 08:33 PMjake3614Well Tonberries aren't Beastmen, but instead members of the Zilart race changed. Also, there are Porrogos and Demons, which are considered of the beastmen maelstrom.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trisscar
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08-04-2012, 11:49 PMKyrialIf by Demons you mean Kindred, then no, there aren't any in Abyssea (sadly; that'd be useful for some trials). There's Imps, Tauri, Gargouilles, etc., but no Kindred. :/Quote:
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08-05-2012, 01:11 AMtyrantsyn
If the beastmen fell prey to the same force's as the children of Atlanta, than they'd probably be just as scattered as they are. When you think about it, it doesn't make much sense for the two to still be feuding when the world is in such strife. Wasting soldier's on a feud that just doesn't exists any longer.
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08-05-2012, 04:46 AMKomori
Maybe it's just what some suggested; all of them went back home to the strongholds are are stuck there and we can't reach any of their main strongholds so that's why we don't see them.