ATTN DEVS: Attaining Mythic Weapons Needs To Be Reconfigured

Currently Mythic Weapons take 100 times more gil then relics and 100 times more play time then Relics and Empy Weapons and most are not as good as their Empy or Relic conterparts. IMO I think they need to cut the number of Alex down to 3k with the reduced supply for Alexander pushin the prices into the 25-30k a piece range and cut the number of tokens to 10k. This reduces the time still take more time then either Relic or Empy with the number or Nyzul runs for tokens and still costs 75,000,000 to 90,000,000 gil at current prices if people are just buyin the alexandrite.

lol, never happening.

The only thing wrong with mythics is alexandrite supply, which SE is trying to address, but not really doing a good job of.

Just make everything drop alexandrite

how hard can it be?

same goes for all the other items that are ridiculously expensive but create weapons that are weaker than empys.

not looking at the fake-empys items here, not at all.

From the census data on total number of relics, empyreans, and mythics since the last census:

Relics: +9928 (27.2 per day)
Empyreans: +56001 (153.4 per day)
Mythics: +66 (0.18 per day)

Relics are 150.4x easier to obtain than mythics, and empyreans are 848.5x easier.

This issue has been addressed tons of times... They thought adding Alexandrite to Nyzul would help, but Neo-Nyzul turned out to be not as efficient as many hoped. There is still hope with the Salvage renewal.

I personally think Alexandrite should be added to: Einherjar as a possible, single drop from all regular mobs, bosses could drop Cotton Coinpurses, Odins could drop Linen Coinpurses; all Assault Missions should have a possibility to drop a Cotton Coinpurse for successful completion located in the Ancient Lockboxes; all Qiqirn should drop these since they're said to have such a fixation for shiny objects. But that would be putting the game on stupidly easy mode.

My favorite part, get this, is when players stock up massive amounts of Alexandrite and they are still a Private Second Class, have no ToAU mission progress, have never done a day of Einherjar in their life, don't have any Nyzul Progress to floor 100 or better yet.... Have no idea what any of the prerequisites for a Mythic Weapon are. Alexandrite is only one of many tedious things a player has to do in order to make a Mythic Weapon, but if you don't do those first, Alexandrite is just going to take up inventory space since they won't be able to turn them into Paparoon.

Granted, Nyzul can be easily climbed to 100 with a competent group of experienced players in a matter of maybe a week, but players must still wait a minimum of 50 days until they can successfully complete all assault missions and well, I don't want to do the math for Einherjar... The level cap must have made a few of these easier... But I still want to see more Alexandrite land into my inventory so I can toss my ZNM trophies at Balrhan's face...

Mythic weapons are truly a chore compared to Relics (which are based mostly on gil now) and Empyreans (which are based mostly on time now). I'd like to see some aspects to be made more attainable, but it will truly take dedication from a player to go through to actually Forge a New Myth.

This what I am talkin about! Relics and Empys are so much easier to get I think they need to rethink the whole quest outline. I mean the assaults are 50 days!!! To get that many tokens would take alot longer! Not to mention the Ichor! It's no wonder that only 66 Mythics exist. I think with the revamp of Salvage they should revamp the quests for Mythic and the total number of random crap you have to get to bring them in line with the time requirements of Empys and the gil requirement of Relics.

The only issue with mythics is the supply of alexandrites, really the easiest fix to this would be to allow people to enter salvage solo which would attract more farmers as the 3 person requirement puts people off. As of this post I need only 5447 to finish mine off and really I find the only issue is supply. gil is easy enough to make that between salvage and buying I can easily at current prices (15-20k) get 300 a day which puts it at about the same as the time required to complete things like the assaults or nyzul tokens or ein gathering as long as the alexandrites are there to buy so really its more a need to get people to farm it like dynamis rather than just altering the quests. with the new salvage in sept (unless they delay it) supply should pick up making it easier to complete it as long as the gear from it is relevent enough to get groups into doing it.

As for the other requirements really if you look at time spent doing things (most assaults take 5-15mins now you can do 15 floors in nyzul on a single tag and you can spam T3 ein with as few as 6 and clear it well before the timer) vs the time needed to farm a dynamis relic (2hrs a day for 100 days solo) its not really that far apart. As for empies meh they were easy from the start and only a few really are worth any investment at all (and most will never see Lv. 95 upgrades especially once VW becomes redundant).

I may be alone with this opinion... but I think the Mythics are fine as they are. We have empyreans, which are effectively free weapons that are great, that just take a little time and patience to obtain, and for the VNMs on some, and Abyssea NMs, a few friends to help out.

Relics can be soloed for the most part, and also just takes some time and/or gil to obtain, and are also excellent weapons.

Mythics, are just as the name implies... weapons of legend, so rare that when you actually see one, you have to do a double take. I've actually only seen one player with one the entire time I've been playing. In my opinion, SE has already adjusted many of the things that would completely prevent someone from ever obtaining one. Alexandrite now drops from Nyzul uncharted region, you can enter Odin's chamber every time you do Einerjar (meaning you get more ichor than before) which were two of the major barriers to obtaining one.

I think when we already have Empyreans and Relics, which are challenging, but not impossible to obtain, I think just the idea of the existence of the Mythic weapons is what makes them so legendary... even moreso than their actual stats.

Empyreans = I have fun playing and don't have oddles of time to sink into the game

Relic's = I love the game a lot and wanted something that made a statement about how much I enjoy it.

Mythic = I've have way too much time on my hands, my GF left me, I haven't seen my family or sunlight out side of work in year's and I really really want every one to know how much I love this game and how much better I am at it over every one else.

P.S Empyreans weapon user are all noob's

in some ways i agree. i posted a similar thread on another subforum with regards to the supply of alexandrite.

the effort-based activities are an issue in terms of comparing them with Relic and Empyrean but they're a lot harder to gauge.

if you compare 99 to 99 for each of them.. Mythic doesn't seem that bad.

you need to have done the 50 assaults before you start a mythic and the same 50 assaults again. This wouldn't be so bad if players weren't limited by assault tags but is the part i don't think they'll ever change.

einherjar - possible to reduce ichor. its not that hard anymore but costs money to do..

nyzul - definitely possible to reduce tokens. this is (imo) the hardest to accumulate out of all the events for Mythic (apart from Alexandrite).

if you look at Mythics past 75. the WS trials have had difficulty reduced.. and the NM trials are ridiculously easy. Mythic has the easiest path to 99 of the 3 weapon types because all the NMs for trials are from Lv75 content and (apart from PW) are things they must already have done before to get the weapon anyway.

Relic builders need to do Arch DL, which is more lv90+ content, and for Empyrean builders the effort comes in front - from NM camping and trophy gathering. only reason why its so imba-easy is because it was in Abyssea where players can become ridiculously powerful (and are now overleveled).

so bottom line, Empyreans still have it easy for effort. Empy money items to get to 99 have actually surpassed Relics tho.

Relic weapons require next to no effort/skill at all. You only really need to farm. All attestation/animated NMs are super easy now. Arch DL can be avoided if you pay lol.

Mythic, still the most time consuming, still the most expensive. Any adjustment it gets needs to be before acquiring the lv75 weapon..

i used to think it would be a good idea to make it so players can choose 3 out of 4 tasks for the duty,task,deed quest. lol but i think everyone would just skip alexandrite probably XD

The ONLY adjustment I think should be made is not having to complete every single assault mission to obtain capt rank. Me and a buddy have been trying to get capt rank and a mythic for years and have not been able to find a steady group to complete all missions. Hell we havent found a group that will stay for the first round. Nyzul Isle was easy to complete 1-100, so much so we ran about 4 ppl 1-100 after we did our own, but ppl dont seem to want to do the other assaults.

So if they would allow us to spam nyzul or other assault missions to accumulate points and rank up, they should allow us to get that coveted capt rank that way too. They wouldnt even have to change the pace they currently have for point accumulation.

Mythics are not supposed to be owned by all....like empys

Our focus has alway been more on relic and mythic than empy. Although we are building empys (albeit sloooowly) we would much rather get our relics/mythics.

That being said if anyone have a ls that still does Salvage, Einherjar or Assaults on Odin. Me and a friend are interested in a ls.

Assaults are easy, Nyzul is easy, Einherjar just became easy. And that leaves us with alexandrite. Still not easy. This is the only thing that needs to be adjusted. Everything else is an insignificant obstacle not worth complaining about. A better argument can be made for ToAU beastman king spawn conditions, really.

They should make linen pouches 100% drops on the main bosses in each of the Salvage zones.

I think the majority of us mythic makers are OK with the Assaults/Nyzul tokens/Ichor, it's just the Alex that let's us down a bit. On Shiva, the general price is 15k, which in itself is not a huge issue, but as others have said the supply is still incredibly low.
It's gotten a bit better with Nyzul Isle Uncharted, but there still needs to be a bit of an adjustment, even if it's as mentioned above, making linen pouches drop 100%.

Not all Empyrean or Relics are worth getting. I'm working on a Nirvana personally for the multiple use aspect of it. All Mythic weapons have some decent job specific aspects which the other weapons cannot fulfill. Here's another idea, they also should have also added Alexandrite to ToAU Voidwatch to get people rollin' with actual desire to play that content.

3k alex and 10k tokens is ridiculous.
I just think alex should drop in more places and more importantly, the tag limit should be removed.

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Originally Posted by Seha

3k alex and 10k tokens is ridiculous.
I just think alex should drop in more places and more importantly, the tag limit should be removed.

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I don't think the tag limit should be removed, it's as lenient as Dynamis, one tag per day. I don't think NI should take count for them, only ones where you can get assault points should. Maybe a different tag for NI if they still want to use that system.

(I realise no one does Assault's anymore unless it's for completion, or a mythic but I'm accounting for when NeoSalvage comes out)

I also think Alexandrite should be able to stack in a bag or something that holds 100 and stacks to either 12 or even 99. Expecting you to get that amount of Alexandrite and trade them in more or less instantly not allowing for if you could change your mind is stupid.

I have read evertyhing and I like the idea of removing the tag limit (possibly remove the 3 people per assault too since 99s can run most of them solo) and increasing the alexandrite supply by alot. But I still think that 30k is a bit high. Make it 3k and increase the supply. I still think that Ichor and Nyzul Tokens should be reduced by a factor of 10 as well because that is still 10,000 Ichor and 15,000 Nyzul tokens. And to the people who say not everyone should have one of these I would like to point out that all content in this game is suppose to be able to be achieved by all players. And Mythics always seemed counter intuitive with the warning at hte begining of the game about have a outside life. To achieve a Mythic you need a group of people who never leave the game basically to pull it off. Relics used to be the same way but now they are attainable (still takes alot of time or gil) by everyone. Mythics should be the same way.

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Originally Posted by Razielrinz

I have read evertyhing and I like the idea of removing the tag limit (possibly remove the 3 people per assault too since 99s can run most of them solo) and increasing the alexandrite supply by alot. But I still think that 30k is a bit high. Make it 3k and increase the supply. I still think that Ichor and Nyzul Tokens should be reduced by a factor of 10 as well because that is still 10,000 Ichor and 15,000 Nyzul tokens. And to the people who say not everyone should have one of these I would like to point out that all content in this game is suppose to be able to be achieved by all players. And Mythics always seemed counter intuitive with the warning at hte begining of the game about have a outside life. To achieve a Mythic you need a group of people who never leave the game basically to pull it off. Relics used to be the same way but now they are attainable (still takes alot of time or gil) by everyone. Mythics should be the same way.

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Yes, at a certain difficulty. Mythic's are obtainable by all, just not easily obtainable.

Make alexandrites mineable! (not really a serious suggestion, but they are precious stones, so the idea works in theory)

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Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher

I don't think the tag limit should be removed, it's as lenient as Dynamis, one tag per day. I don't think NI should take count for them, only ones where you can get assault points should. Maybe a different tag for NI if they still want to use that system.

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There is a difference, though. Dynamis can be done for 2 hours every day, while an assault is at most 30 minutes.

Dynamis was reduced from 3-4 hours every 3 days to 2 hours every day, which is something like twice as much time to spend inside dynamis, while assaults are still the same. Assault rewards (except as a mythic prerequesite) are also less relevant now than the dynamis rewards are. Dynamis still offers sellable currency, and a few all right drops from the neo-dynamis content. From assault, you get... I can't even think of anything that sells well or is worth equipping anymore. Chiv chain, maybe? lol.

Personally, I'd like for us to not need tags at all and just do assaults and old-nyzul as often as we want, but I would probably be satisfied with something like getting assault tags 2-2.5 times as fast.

If SE really wants to keep the assault tags relevant for anything, I suggest they do a hard-mode for the assaults, giving super-assault-points that can be used on new and relevant gear. Assault tags could be used for these, while old assaults would be unrestricted, and a requirement for attempting the hard-mode version of each corresponding assault.

What they really should do since they are so hard to get is just increase the damage and fixed some the stats on the mythic weapons so they are super elite and do nothing to the quest lines, so those that have earned them feel justifyed. I would feel bad for the 66 people that worked there butts off, only to see thousands of them. bad enough they made the relics so easy, from the old days. Keep something so people can wish full think or dream or have few hundred linkshell members help them get it .

We do not need ever thing handed to us on a silver platter, but they should make the reward feel special and for the players that got them should feel proud or like a kid in a candy store.

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Originally Posted by sc4500

What they really should do since they are so hard to get is just increase the damage and fixed some the stats on the mythic weapons so they are super elite and do nothing to the quest lines, so those that have earned them feel justifyed. I would feel bad for the 66 people that worked there butts off, only to see thousands of them. bad enough they made the relics so easy, from the old days. Keep something so people can wish full think or dream or have few hundred linkshell members help them get it .


We do not need ever thing handed to us on a silver platter, but they should make the reward feel special and for the players that got them should feel proud or like a kid in a candy store.

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Thinking like this is why the game is dieing. Too many people only wanna think about the uber elite. I keep hearing Tier 1 like its a badge of status. All items, content, and accolades should be available to everyone in the game in this life time. Not everyone is either wealthy, has mom or dad to pay for all their bills, or has a job where they can sit in game all day doing stuff to earn one piece of equipment. The resurgence in the game of new players was because of the new stuff they did to give access to all areas solo or grouped and did not require 8 years of time to do. Nothing in this game should be just for the super elite, no life having, I do nothing but play FFXI all day people.

Happy Monday everyone!

We have still been seeing quite a few requests for increased Alexandrite circulation to help facilitate players’ journey towards their mythic weapons.

While Alexandrite can now be obtained in Nyzul Isle Uncharted Area Survey, circulation is increasing, but the volume is not quite there yet. One reason for this is that Salvage activity is much lower now than it was previously. However, as we will be expanding Salvage and revamping it later this year, the amount of Alexandrite in circulation should see a steady increase, so we’d like to ask you all to give us some time until then. Once this is implemented we would like to hear any feedback you have in regards to the amount of Alexandrite in circulation.

The amount in circulation is not the issue. The amount required is.

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Originally Posted by Arcon

The amount in circulation is not the issue. The amount required is.

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I don't see how it is?
If you get Alex quicker/easier, it's about the same as reducing the amount required.
Except it doesn't screw over people who farmed 30k nearly as much.

They already said before they weren't ever changing the requirement, just changing the methods of acquiring.

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Originally Posted by Camate

While Alexandrite can now be obtained in Nyzul Isle Uncharted Area Survey, circulation is increasing, but the volume is not quite there yet.

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If the standard for circulation is what was happening two days before Neo-Nyzul Isle was released, of course circulation looks better now.

This way of thinking is akin to newly homeless man cheerfully commenting, "Now that my house is no longer on fire, it is not actively trying to kill me, but the burnt husk still provides little protection from things such as heavy rain, opportunistic thieves, or hungry bears!" then doing a happy little dance.

Things are more grim than "not quite there".

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Originally Posted by Kari

I don't see how it is?
If you get Alex quicker/easier, it's about the same as reducing the amount required.

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There is a difference. If there's more in circulation, but the same amount is required the value of each single piece will drop, meaning there'll be less incentive to farm them. Meaning there won't be nearly as many sold and all of them will have to be farmed. It will hurt the supply for Alex a lot. It would only help people who can get enough other members to do the new Salvage with. For people to farm and sell them they'll have to be worth money. And if people can't make decent money off of them, they won't farm them.

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Originally Posted by Kari

They already said before they weren't ever changing the requirement, just changing the methods of acquiring.

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I must have missed that, but don't remember that statement.

I love back in 2006 when they said Mythics would be the casual-player's alternative to Relic weapons.

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Originally Posted by Ophannus

I love back in 2006 when they said Mythics would be the casual-player's alternative to Relic weapons.

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*laughs pop on her screen and quickly wipes it up*

Make Salvage soloable without the 3 people entry obstacle and we are good. Because usually people exploit the game mechanics by force disconnecting and soloing after anyhow. Salvage can be solod and there is no reason why this obstacle exists, not anymore since 99 cap.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Happy Monday everyone!

We have still been seeing quite a few requests for increased Alexandrite circulation to help facilitate players’ journey towards their mythic weapons.

While Alexandrite can now be obtained in Nyzul Isle Uncharted Area Survey, circulation is increasing, but the volume is not quite there yet. One reason for this is that Salvage activity is much lower now than it was previously. However, as we will be expanding Salvage and revamping it later this year, we will the amount of Alexandrite in circulation should see a steady increase, so we’d like to ask you all to give us some time until then. Once this is implemented we would like to hear any feedback you have in regards to the amount of Alexandrite in circulation.

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I truly expected the next mythic-related developer post to ruin my FFXI life and squash my hopes and dreams, but this didn't do that. Alexandrite supply has definitely increased, but so has the price. Mythic weapons cost over 600 million gil for the level 75 versions. Level 99 relics and empyreans cost less than level 75 mythic. Increasing supply may just mean that there will be more jackasses (more accurate term than mule, with extremely close animalistic meaning) sitting with 4000 alexandrite at 20K each in their bazaar. Increasing supply with Neo-Nyzul doubled alexandrite prices. Why? Because they still can't be farmed solo, your helpers always want their cut out of the few that piddle into the loot pool, only a couple enemies in Salvage and Nyzul can even drop alexandrite, and in Salvage, you have to trudge through grueling nudity before you can even think about farming alexandrite. Unless the Salvage revival is similar to the Dynamis revival, 30,000 alexandrite will still cost both arms, both legs, and more body parts than one human has.

The key thing here is that the devs need to increases not only the amount of supply, but the access of the supply. The biggest problem right now is that Salvage still requires a minimum of three people to enter, so one can not simply walk into Salvage solo and farm Alexandrite. The one thing that the devs can do to make earning a Mythic much easier is to increase the access to the supply of Alexandrite by making Assaults and Salvage entry allowable with solo party members.

I think adding solo content for alexandrite would be better than simply relying on a revival of Salvage for more circulation. Circulation is great, but it needs to be most easily obtainable so the price will drop.

Wait, wait, wait. Complaints that a weapon name "Mythic" is to hard to get. Really?

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Originally Posted by Fusionx

Circulation is great, but it needs to be most easily obtainable so the price will drop.

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Only if the price will drop, people won't do it anymore. It needs to be comparable to Dynamis in terms of making money for people to actually do it. If the price drops, that is no longer the case and people won't do it to sell anymore, but only to keep. Hence, it will hurt the amount of Alex in circulation.

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Originally Posted by Jackastheripper

Wait, wait, wait. Complaints that a weapon name "Mythic" is to hard to get. Really?

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No wonder they call you Jackass.

Being able to enter Salvage and Assault solo would be a good start. At least that way those working on Mythics wouldn't have to rely on 2 others to be available.
The main reason the supply of Alex was so good a few years ago was because everyone wanted the gear from Salvage. If the devs can recreate this, then there is a good chance that a decent amount of Alex will enter the market again.
If the only change is an increase in supply of Alex available from Salvage, then yeah, it probably won't get much cheaper.

You guys are beating a dead horse.

On that note; I wonder if the new expansion will introduce a new version of "Legendary weapon" that Rune Fencer and Geomancer can also use... :o

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

The only thing wrong with mythics is alexandrite supply, which SE is trying to address, but not really doing a good job of.

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Seconded. Maybe thirded or more I guess. I didn't really read through the rest of the thread as it could have ended here XD