Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

I agree that abyssea leaching needs to stop. It should be at least adjusted to lvl 70 min to enter abys. I think a bunch of changes need to happen though before that can occur. The game needs to be made more soloable to lvl 70. The reason people leech is because they can't find a party and the lvling is real slow.

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

Why would this be so bad? Yes you would not be able to level from 30-90 in a day or two.... but hell you should never be able to do that in an MMORPG anyway. Doing it in the way I described (as long as SE makes the EXP reward outside Abyssea higher all round then it is now) it would only take you roughly a month to level a job from 1-99. Now really in an MMORPG aspect, is that really a long time?

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Because grinding exp is by far the worst part of the game, more people have quit this game because of the grind than any other reason. By allowing people to accelerate the grind then they can actually get to the fun parts of the game and retain players that way instead of having to rely on the artificial time sink of level grinding.

Holy cow this thread is still going. xD

I'm sure someone has already mentioned the solution to this entire thread...


If you don't like the ability to easily level from 30 - 90 ... then go ahead and xp outside abyssea while everyone else makes efficient progress.

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Originally Posted by Pharaun

Because grinding exp is by far the worst part of the game, more people have quit this game because of the grind than any other reason. By allowing people to accelerate the grind then they can actually get to the fun parts of the game and retain players that way instead of having to rely on the artificial time sink of level grinding.

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My way would still reduce the grind, if you come to play an MMORPG and get annoyed that it takes you a month to cap level... you need to go play something else -.-

Heck my estimate of a month, was really the long end anyway, with how fast some people are it could only take 2 weeks.

I like bringing low level jobs to level in abyssea because it's fast compared to other ways. For the record, I ask the leader if I can leech with one character while playing a lvl 90 mule as some sort of mage. Usually stand at the ops guy on my main and don't bother getting ops at all on the mule.

I leveled BRD back in the day and after bringing that to dynamis/einherjar, I decided I hated it because the range on horde lullaby was smaller than sleepga and it was aggravating me. That was a lot of time wasted; BRD is still 75 for me.

After they announced they were planning the level increase, everyone in my linkshell needed to level SJs. So we'd make linkshell pts when we weren't doing events. Some people also leveled new jobs. I leveled SMN to 65 before I decided I decided I didn't want to play it. That was a lot of time wasted; SMN is still 65 for me.

A couple months ago I decided to level WAR and got to 80 in 2 days. I went to skill up and eventually decided I didn't like WAR. I then leveled NIN to 87 in a day and eventually decided I liked playing NIN.

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Originally Posted by jamieg

The reason people leech is because they can't find a party and the lvling is real slow.

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No. Prior to abyssea, leveling new jobs was annoying. Now it's easier to level the job then test drive these jobs. I wouldn't have bothered leveling a new job if I had to do it the old way. That shit is just annoying after the first few jobs. I leech because I don't want to go through the crap of spending weeks of effort leveling a job only to decide I don't like it.

Ols players did not wuit cause of the slower XP, it was due to the fact they spent hours on end to get a job from 1-75 THEN SE comes out and makes people able to go from 1-75 in a few days. New people love this, old players that only had 1 lvl 75 & played it until abyssea came out love this. But the game was never made to be easy, SE stated it that when FFXIV came out it was for the casual player that wanted to solo when they had time & would be able to still obtain a high level. FFXI is for the hardcore players that enjoy grinding it out to achieve their goals.

Either way SE will not change this I am sure. it is too late but the thought is nice.

NightDagger
Server - Lakshmi

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

My way would still reduce the grind, if you come to play an MMORPG and get annoyed that it takes you a month to cap level... you need to go play something else -.-

Heck my estimate of a month, was really the long end anyway, with how fast some people are it could only take 2 weeks.

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I've put in my time grinding, and back in the day I didn't mind it so much, but now I'd rather spend the limited time I have to play the game doing something that is enjoyable. The rather vocal minority gets all upset because they feel that everything has to be a time sink in this game and if anyone figures out a way to make that time sink less painful then they get all upset about it.

For all the yelling and screaming and whining and multiple threads about the same damn thing none of you have been able to give a reasonable answer as to why the grind should be put back into this game. When pressed it usually boils down to well I had to grind, so should everyone else. And when pressed further it turns out that most of you didn't even do the really hard grind, it was all post ToAU. I did my grinding when a 6k/hr party was great and an 8k/hr party was fantastic, 10k/hr was unheard of, and nothing any of you say will make me want to go back to something like that again. And yes anything outside of abyssea is similar since you would be going from 200k/hr down to 50k/hr even with the exp adjustments.

I had 6 75s before Abyssea came out, and only took a 7th up with Abyssea. EXP'ing is not hardcore. At all. It's just a means to an end. Real hardcore is Endgame; which some people mistake Abyssea for. Abyssea is not Endgame, it's by definition Midgame content and it shows. It's not like the Devs wanted us to sit on our thumbs and go do Salvage and Einherjar for a year until we hit 99 and the next set of Endgame was release. Abyssea is something to do, that's all.

Real goals, real bragging rights, in 8 years these have never had anything to do with leveling up. They come from what you do afterwards.

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Originally Posted by NightDagger

Ols players did not wuit cause of the slower XP, it was due to the fact they spent hours on end to get a job from 1-75 THEN SE comes out and makes people able to go from 1-75 in a few days. New people love this, old players that only had 1 lvl 75 & played it until abyssea came out love this. But the game was never made to be easy, SE stated it that when FFXIV came out it was for the casual player that wanted to solo when they had time & would be able to still obtain a high level. FFXI is for the hardcore players that enjoy grinding it out to achieve their goals.

Either way SE will not change this I am sure. it is too late but the thought is nice.

NightDagger
Server - Lakshmi

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You are so wrong with this I don't even know where to start. I'm as old a player as you can get having imported the game from Japan and played since before the US release. I had 4 jobs at 75 the old way and it would have been more but I decide I wanted to have fun playing the game, and the new way is soooooooooooooo much better. The only people who hate the new way are a bunch of masochists that feel like playing an MMO should be a form of virtual flagellation. The so called hardcore players are the ones who love the new way because it allows them to actually work on their goals instead of having to grind exp all day. The so called casuals are the ones that seem to hate it, and I can't figure out why. Everything is better for them, they actually have a chance to earn top tier gear now and not have it monopolized by a few elite LS's, they can accomplish more in the limited play time they have than they ever could before, but for some odd reason are rebelling against it. I guess it's because they seeing themselves turning into what they always railed against, the "elitest" players and they can't stand it.