FINAL FANTASY XI Job Adjustments Manifesto: Paladin

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

If people are really camping every zone for T3 pops already, then that really sucks and I can sympathize for you. There's not much that can be done about that. At least they're throwing us a pseudo-bone and increasing the Abyssite upgrade rates next update.

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This is my situation. I've run in to an odd day here and there where none are being camped, and I can work on getting at least 2 zones worth of T3s on me and my mule. But most weekdays and weekends, all three zones have been camped to hell and high water. Increasing the upgrade rate won't help as much as reducing the respawn timers or increasing the number of fricking T2 mobs would.

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Originally Posted by Tsuneo

You can't without increasing the offensive capabilities of PLD which SE said they weren't going to do. People are deluded to think that some magical enmity buff will solve all their problems, but they would be in the same situation of not being needed.

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They've said they won't do the offensive route. So I say fine, give us overpowered defensive trait. Native resistance to damage like Avatars that stacks with PDT and MDT gear. PLD got somewhat screwed in that one of the useful things SE could have adjusted for us, became tied in with Burtgang and Aegis. Now they only want those two items to exceed the 50% cap.
When folks are commenting on the fact that an offensive job got buffs to both offense and defense (WAR), they don't mention Retaliation. I've got a WAR, and giving a job with a big ol' 2 handed weapon an ability that a) lets them attack monsters every time they're attacked with a chance to crit and b) gives TP is a wicked combo for any job that tanks.
Then you compare it to Reprisal... Reprisal really needs it's equation adjusted. Damage adjusted to 7-10 times, resist rate adjusted to be less than half of what it is now on hard stuff. It's not like PLD has overpowering TP moves to begin with, so why not have Reprisal grant Shield Mastery +3-5. While it's active the PLDs just accumulating TP.
I would prefer Atonement gets rebuffed, like double damage or triple damage, but if they don't want to do that, then just remove all abilities for Monsters to resist it.
I'd still prefer some form of support function that's actually useable in small scale stuff. Regen or Coverga or granting a defense bonus (useful bonus, not Defense, but like PDT or MDT or Rampart SS) to party members. Something like Holy Circle or go back to good ol' 2E AD&D and gimme an Aura of Protection or something. Just innate, always active Sphere that reduces certain critters, let's say Demons, Dragons and Undead, gives them a -X to Acc/att/defense and gives party members + to Def/Hp/Regen or something.

Give us my Reprisal Shield Mastery, and then give us a short recast ability that uses like 20TP to make the next Cure spell cost half MP and transfer X CE from target to the PLD and is allowed to exceed the hate cap with CE.

Shorten Divine Emblem recast, and give PLD some unique stuff going with Holy, Holy II, Banish III and IV. Like maybe a Drain II affect to hate with Holy II? Gains you that Enmity from the spell and allows you to exceed the hate cap.

I wanna run rampant like I can on WAR!

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

Because all jobs should be useful in all content. PUP BST COR and DNC would like to have a word with you about that.

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Bad choices there really, COR is useful in all situations. It suffers from the not being necessary in small man operations, but it's not useless.
PUP, dunno, sure seems to be a lot of whining coming from the PUP forums.
BST is fine at the moment really useful in low man, useful in alliance fights.
DNC is fine. They're useful on lowman situations and can slowlo lots of mobs. Their tied waltz timer makes them not so hot as true healers when the damage is flying at the tank.

I agree with Hayward and Tsuneo, SE must change it's tune about upping PLD dps!

Why?

Because the offensive jobs are all given some kind of damage mitigation, either through job traits like WAR and Defense Bonus I and II, Shield Mastery, and Shiled Defense Bonus(not to mention SE you created Fencer so their damage wouldn't be completely gimped 1 handed) or through job abilities like Third Eye and Perfect counter.

The point is, if you can give purely offensive jobs a defensive trait/ability can't you please throw us a bone and give us a few offensive ones? Help us out Camate, please sir, we are only asking for balance, fairness and the same thoughtfulness as the offensive jobs receive.

Thank you!!!!

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Originally Posted by AldielQuetz

I agree with Hayward and Tsuneo, SE must change it's tune about upping PLD dps!

Why?

Because the offensive jobs are all given some kind of damage mitigation, either through job traits like WAR and Defense Bonus I and II, Shield Mastery, and Shiled Defense Bonus(not to mention SE you created Fencer so their damage wouldn't be completely gimped 1 handed) or through job abilities like Third Eye and Perfect counter.

The point is, if you can give purely offensive jobs a defensive trait/ability can't you please throw us a bone and give us a few offensive ones? Help us out Camate, please sir, we are only asking for balance, fairness and the same thoughtfulness as the offensive jobs receive.

Thank you!!!!

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I agree.

You know, Lets look at some of the things FFXIV added for tanks jobs!

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Aegis Boon - Recovers a portion of your HP from a successful shield block.
Reworked for FFXI:

Aegis Boon
Lv.96
Recast:5
Dur:3min
Recovers 25% of damage taken from Shield Blocks. (does not stack with Reprisal)

A defensive ability that helps PLD. Its defensive, but still useful.


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Theres another, I forget its name, its a special WS you can only use after a Shield block, So instead of it being a WS...

Job Trait:
Occasionally Attacks After a Shield block. (Think "Retaliation" after Shield Block, You take damage, But attack after, getting TP)
Lv.35PLD (50/65/80/99 get upgrades to this)
Base rate 15%, +5% Each after for a total of 35% Chance to "Retaliate" on Shield Blocks. Can be enhanced through gear.


This would enhance the Defensive aspect of the job (Shield Block) while enhancing its offense. I don't think thats too far fetched of an Idea. It'd be a small step, but it'd help their TP Gain and add a bit of extra damage.

I like those Karbuncle! Help us out Camate! Hookitup!

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Originally Posted by AldielQuetz

I like those Karbuncle! Help us out Camate! Hookitup!

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Why thank you. I played FFXIV for a short while, because a friend showed me it (and its free), and some of the abilities in that game were really well thought out and could be adapted to FFXI with little effort and tweaking.

I think those two i listed we're the best of the two i saw that could be easily converted to a PLD Ability/Trait!

For PLD to be able to play a beneficial role to any party/alliance the job needs to bring something to the table in all situations.
GG was right by asserting that PLD has only ever been used for content that new/hard/specific.
Outside the above content, PLD has no special role to play.

Problem: PLD is not needed in 95%+ of the game.
Reason: Does not do anything better than other jobs in that 95% of the game.
Concerns: Adding anymore defensive or offensive ability to PLD will in effect make it a stand-alone one man army.
Solution: Grant PLD abilities/traits that enhance other jobs while not overpowering itself.
How: Auras - Reflect, Resist death, PDT/MDT Auras, regain, refresh, regen, max HP +, save tp, conserve tp, store tp, MAB, etc etc
Result: Having a PLD to tank also means you get some nice benefits that don't require singing/casting. Don't make them as potent as corsair rolls or bard songs, but on at the least the same level as Avatar Blood Pact Wards.

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Make the potency of the Auras increase the more people there are in pt/alliance, like company sword's damage.

Make certain Auras like Reflect or resist death % values increase the more dmg the alliance takes from nukes or the more people that die from death.

there's just a million and one ways SE could make PLD useful while retaining its official position as the the main tank of the game without making it capable of soloing AV or PW.

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Originally Posted by Tsuneo

You can't without increasing the offensive capabilities of PLD which SE said they weren't going to do. People are deluded to think that some magical enmity buff will solve all their problems, but they would be in the same situation of not being needed.

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And to carry this further, exactly how much damage would pld have to be capable of before you would leave war or mnk in the mh?

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

Job Trait:
Occasionally Attacks After a Shield block. (Think "Retaliation" after Shield Block, You take damage, But attack after, getting TP)
Lv.35PLD (50/65/80/99 get upgrades to this)
Base rate 15%, +5% Each after for a total of 35% Chance to "Retaliate" on Shield Blocks. Can be enhanced through gear.

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This would be nice, and even with Ochain, I don't think it would be close enough to Retaliation for anyone to complain.

I hope SE would be inclined to add this sort of "offensive" ability to Paladin, at least. Since it depends on a defensive skill and requires the Paladin to be the target of a monster, it's obviously in a different vein than the offensive abilities of most jobs.

Rivalry
Lv 85 PLD Job trait
Your melee attack damage, weaponskill damage & accuracy are effected by that of your party members.

The more damage your party/alliance members dish out, the higher your damage rises.
Keep the benefits and bonus to 2/3 of the highest DD in party so no one can argue "why you bring a pld they suck"
Wont overpower Paladin in solo situations.


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Originally Posted by DebbieGibson

And to carry this further, exactly how much damage would pld have to be capable of before you would leave war or mnk in the mh?

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PLD would obviously need to be at least on par with those jobs for it to replace them which is a ridiculous idea in itself.

I wonder if we had had these forums back at 75 cap, would these same PLDs be here complaining that they never get invited to merit parties and that's a problem that SE needs to fix.

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Originally Posted by DebbieGibson

I wonder if we had had these forums back at 75 cap, would these same PLDs be here complaining that they never get invited to merit parties and that's a problem that SE needs to fix.

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Merit parties weren't really events. PLDs had other ways of getting their last 5 levels for 70-75 (campaign, fov).
And yes, just because PLDs had alternative options for getting exp, doesn't mean SE shouldn't have provided them with something unique/useful to allow them to be invited to merit parties.
Same applies to the poor blms that had to lvl 50-75 solo.

How about 2 stances:

Renegade: Locks MP and MP recovery, cannot cast spells of any kind. Max HP Boost, STR boost, attack speed boost. Recast 5 mins, Duration 1 hour.

Cavalier: Reduces damage taken by 15%, enmity bonus on normal melee attacks, Max MP Boost.
Recast 5 mins, Duration 1 hour.

How's that look? Kinda like a trade-off like WAR gets from Defender/Berzerk? Or like Hasso/Seigen?
Why the timers like that you ask? I'll tell you! Same reasoning as Velocity Shot, so that the PLD can't just bounce back and forth at will, you have the chance to switch in oshi- situations but you can't just switch right back, same with RNG you can't Kraken Club up some TP pop on Velocity Shot and pop it back off to get TP again, there has to be a catch.

Please give us more than Palisade SE m(_ _)m. Don't we merit the work just like other jobs or do we miss out because there's not enough hours to go around to pay the programmers and PLD was last on the list?

Camate just look at the amount of effort that goes into revamping other jobs, does it make sense that as PLDs we must "fix" our damn selves and get an ochain and Almace? No, that's not the answer you give other jobs.

Help us, please.... Help us.

Make a stance that impacts your stats based on a target job in your party.

Example:

Comrade in Arms (Lvl. 96) [Target one ally, party only]
Recast: 2 minute.
Duration: 3 minutes.

Call upon your comrades for support. Support varies with target job.

WAR - Increases your Attack by a large amount. Increases Double Attack rate.
WHM - Increases your Healing Magic Potency and Magic Defense.
BLM - Increases Magic Accuracy and Magic Attack.
RDM - Enhancing magic on the RDM in the party is shared with you. (All enhancements cast onto the RDM while the ability is active will apply them to the PLD as well.)
SAM - 2 TP/tick Regain.
MNK - Increases your Vitality and Strength.
DRK - Increases your resistance to Darkness.
BRD - 1 MP/tick Refresh.
COR - 3 HP/tick Regen.
BLU - Increases weaponskill, skillchain and magic burst damage.
NIN - The effects of "Utsusemi" on the ninja in your party are shared with you. (You get hit, it misses, they lose a shadow.)
THF - Any party member behind you has a minor Trick Attack effect applied to their attacks. (half enmity transfer.)
BST - The Beastmaster can use "Snarl" and "Reward" on the Paladin.
RNG - The effects from status bolts/arrows are also applied to the Paladin. (Bloody Bolts for example.)
DRG - Increases Accuracy by a large amount.
SMN - The PLD gains Avatar level magic resistance. Element varies with current active avatar.
PUP - Allows Role Reversal, Ventriloquy and Tactical Switch to apply to the PLD instead of the PUP.
DNC - Fan Dance and Saber Dance effects on a DNC in your party will also apply to your PLD.
SCH - Enhances Magic Defense and Magic Accuracy
PLD - Doubles your defense and magic defense.

Note: All bonuses are multiplied by the number of those jobs in your party. (If you have 3 WAR, the effect would bethreefold.)

That would be cool, adapt or perish! I hope your idea gets read Alerith^^

I also am extremely fond of the idea of a new type of cure spell that is PLD only that cures 1k HP max but in 250 or 333 HP increments. With each successive use, it could have a cumulative enmity effect, similar to the BLM ability to use -ja type spells.

We could even call it Cureja, perhaps have Cureja I, II and III? They wouldn't stack, because that would be over powered but when used in succession they would enhance enmity. Cureja I at 90, II at 95 and III at 99.

New merit abilities/traits:

Galavant

Increases enmity and attack speed while using Palisade. Each additional merit increases enmity by 10 and attack speed by 2 for a maximum of + 50 enmity and + 10% job ability haste.

Palisade

Increase the duration of Palisade by 10 seconds. Maximum of 50 seconds.

Divine Emblem

Reduce recast by 1 minute. Maximum reduction 5 minutes.

Enlight

Add an enhances attack speed trait to Enlight. Each additional merit increases potency by 1%. Maximum of 5%.

Shieldiscus

Delivers a 5 fold attack, damage based on enmity. Recast 20 minutes. Each additional merit reduces recast by 2 minutes and 30 seconds. (animated like a 5 pointed star)

Grapple

Shield lock with an enemy. Unable to block with a shield but the target cannot break free for 30 seconds. Recast 5 minutes. Each additional merit reduces recast by 30 seconds and increases duration by 5 seconds.

Flail

Reduces delay to 1 handed weapons to 0, increases accuracy by 10, reduces TP gain to 0. Duration 30 seconds. Recast 20 minutes. Each additional merit reduces recast by 2 minutes and 30 seconds and increases accuracy by 5.

Light Magus

Job Trait: Increases cure potency, magic attack bonus and enmity from light based magic of all kinds. Each merit increases cure potency by 3%, magic attack bonus by 5% and enmity increase by 2.

Healing Soul

Job Trait: 5% of HP cured is converted into MP. Increase effect by 5% per additional merit.

Deo Gloria

Job Trait: 3% of damage taken is converted into MP. Increase effect by 3% each additional merit.

Rend

Job trait: After a successful shield block, chance to counterattack. Each merit increases this effect by 5%

Just a few ideas I had before bed, I hope Camate sees how passionate we are about this job. God bless and good night my brethren!

And just incase you wondered "Where'd this guy come from posting a mile a minute out of nowhere?"

I always wanted to post by I never had my key fob on me, but now I'm making a point to have it with me so I can be a part of making PLD the best it can be, it's my favorite job and I've been playing it since '03 so this matters.... A LOT to me. Good night all.

if they are not going to raise the hate ceiling (which wouldn't help anyone anyway), an easy enough fix for pld would be to give them a medium range (or keyed to alliance/party) rapid enmity decay aura (but not effecting themselves), giving dd and healers a higher than normal volatile enmity decay.

trick would be to balance it to where a buffed DD going all out would have positive enmity gain, while holding back somewhat would allow the pld to hold aggro as long as they maintained a high level of activity (cures, enm generating abilities, damage output). tie it to gear/merits so that it would require a fully merited and geared pld to tank for fully merited/geared DD.

Interesting suggestions >.>

It just dawned on me, as well as being given our defensive job traits... WAR also has not 1 BUT 2 entirely DEFENSIVE stances. Um... And I know Defender isn't all that great but you got it RIGHT Devs when you made Retaliation, so why can't PLD at least get a defensive stance? Or 1 defensive one and one more aggressive one? We shouldn't be required to sub 1 particular job in order to "be made whole again".

Just because PLD is half WAR doesn't mean that we should be job locked to receive the tools we need, no other job is treated this way.

I once agreed that PLD did not need or warrant it's own Provoke-type Job Ability, but I recant. If PLD is supposed to be a tank then give it what a tank needs, that's not broken, it's fair.

The balance of the game cannot be that fragile that 1 job being able to do what it was designed to do, with a variety of subs would destroy it.

PLD needs serious attention.

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Originally Posted by gigasnail

if they are not going to raise the hate ceiling (which wouldn't help anyone anyway), an easy enough fix for pld would be to give them a medium range (or keyed to alliance/party) rapid enmity decay aura (but not effecting themselves), giving dd and healers a higher than normal volatile enmity decay.

trick would be to balance it to where a buffed DD going all out would have positive enmity gain, while holding back somewhat would allow the pld to hold aggro as long as they maintained a high level of activity (cures, enm generating abilities, damage output). tie it to gear/merits so that it would require a fully merited and geared pld to tank for fully merited/geared DD.

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everything on this page has been suggested before.
Including Aleriths.

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Originally Posted by AldielQuetz

If PLD is supposed to be a tank then give it what a tank needs

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something to tank?

Um not everything. Let's not use rash generalizations please.@ Cursed

And to be honest, there does need to be some reworking/rethinking of the hate mechanics.

Here's why!

The game at 75 cap, when that was something new, not something stagnant, had a hate ceiling that a DD even with the best gear just touched the surface of right before they would get eaten, since the WHM was focused on the, you guessed it, the PLD. The one job that could continue to keep pushing his/her hate to the cap and regain it even when a DD surged in damage output.

Then comes the 2hander update, throw in some salvage gear, add a little more spells to support and BOOM DDs are really making it hard to hold hate BUT we had atonement(simplest fix for PLD is the elephant in the room) so it's still relatively easy to hold hate except for in Zerg situations.

Now, add the remaining 24 levels of the games already sitting at peak armor, jobs... More attack and accuracy naturally from skill, more from innate STR DEX etc... And all of a sudden, what do we see? EVERYONE FLOATS TO THE TOP OF THE POOL, the deep end isn't so deep is it when you go from being 2 feet tall to 12 now is it? Like Liono in last weeks ThunderCats(you said HOoooooo in your head, you know you did). We need Panthro(AKA SE) to take the grate off the top so we don't drown in the mediocrity that has become known as...

PLD.

Help, please.. We're drowning in lamesauce.. Enhance us, improve us, just stop quoting the balance handbook and throw us the life preserver.

Thanks.

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Originally Posted by AldielQuetz

If PLD is supposed to be a tank then give it what a tank needs, that's not broken, it's fair.

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You'll be happy to know that more monsters who hit hard enough to make life unpleasant for melee jobs are coming up in the next tier of VoidWatch! As a bonus, some spawn weak minions over and over, so you might even get a chance to super-tank!

i don't dispute PLD is in desperate need of some changes or the job will remain doomed to be used periodically around the release of new content, and then sent back to the eternal black depths of the MH once the SAM/WAR/MNK/NINs catch up.

and AldielQuetz - everything. Either on this thread, or another on the PLD forums, or on another site. E v e r y t h i n g that can be mentioned/suggested has already been put forward. these topics have been going on for 6 months at least.

How about being creative and talk about something you would like implemented? That would be great since calling other peoples thoughts unoriginal and regurgitated isn't helping us get where we need to be.

More ideas Cursed, that's what we need and a positive outlook!

Thanks

I didn't call anyone's thoughts "unoriginal" or "regurgitated". Simply stating that there are 34 previous pages of posts and maybe even 35 other different "FIX PLD / the Plight of PLD" threads on the forum.

I think if SE don't get it by now, they never will.
PLD was horribly retarded from years 2003-2006sh - see terra staff PLD tanking.
It took them 3 years of PLD sucking absolute poopoo for them to "fix" PLD the first time round, it might take that long this time.

As Someone who hasn't been a pld very long it's easy to see the flaws and perhaps find ways to fix them.

Sentinel should last 1 minute (or be reduced to 3 min recast) and freeze enmity from falling while allowing it to increase if need be.

Rampart should last at least 1 minute.

Fealty should last at least 2 minutes. So it's useful for more than 1 move. Should erase status effects already on

Pple say DMg is fine with almace but I don't have one yet. Perhaps a pld could receive a haste effect to an ability this could help with pld being so slow to deal much DMg. Such as 10% of tp consumed during chivalry. Caps at 20%. Again lower the flipping timer plz. Too much waiting on analogies with pld. Makes me miss my jumps on drg

Palisade could also act like a provoke.

Dev Said it would be boring if pld always held hate. But that's how we were supposed to play the game for the first 7-8 years. And isn't that the plds sole purpose.

yeah we know they've been mentioned before, in other threads, for years. that's the problem. any number of possible fixes for the system, none implemented.

We need some positive change implemented!

Help us out!

<call> Camate - We've created so many threads about fixing PLD, we've suggested every possible idea. You and the Devs need to respond. This silence from SE doesn't help.

EDIT: Yes I know you've responded to the PLD ideas. However, the ideas you responded to were actually the worst. There are a lot of other ideas.

They'll get back to us once they're finished adding Warrior to the Creed set.

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Originally Posted by Rorrick

They'll get back to us once they're finished adding Warrior to the Creed set.

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This made me roflmao... seriously, true story.

What can you do to make pld more desirable than sam on something that can be tanked by sam?

1) Make having a pld do more damage to the mob compared to having a sam (very unlikely)

2) make the usage of rampart increase item droprate (very unlikely)

3) ? suggestions please

Make Cover a job trait. Hate resets are no longer an issue, enmity loss is no longer an issue, and even TP feed is no longer an issue, as you can just disengage tank. This would also allow Paladin to make use of what little offense it does bring to the table in the form of TP from shield blocks. This allows Paladin to absorb damage without forcing DDs to restrict their damage output on tougher enemies (the only place where having a Paladin to begin with is even remotely plausible).

The rebuttal of "we want you to have to balance enmity" floats with me about as well as the Titanic post Iceberg-lovemaking. There's already no reason for front-line jobs to control their enmity, since most of them are more than capable of tanking (while doing incredible damage. See the theme of inequality developing here?) everything to begin with. Having an enemy bounce all over the place does not add any tactical value to the game whatsoever, it offers instead the minor inconvenience of losing TP every so often.

Further, the development team contradicts itself with this argument, and we need only to look to the Manifesto for proof.

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We respect the unselfish and bold nature of the paladin, so we plan on further developing their ability to maintain control of battles and keeping others out of harm's way, if only temporarily.

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You want Paladin to control the battlefield, but you don't want it to always have the attention of the enemy? That makes no sense. At least if you reinvent Cover as a job trait you'd add some positional play back to the game. At the very least, you'd make Thief's life easier. It doesn't necessarily add desirability to Paladin, but at least I'd be getting some use out of my shield.

The development team's unwillingness to commit to any direction for Paladin is incredibly frustrating. They argue that throwing us an offensive bone would make us overpowered while simultaneously they consider how to enhance Seigan? Come on. Logically, the other way to make Paladin more desirable would be to stop giving defensive bonuses to every other job, enhance Paladin's own defense (there's a clear inequality between shield blocks, barring Ochain, and the uberness that is Counterstance, Utsusemi, and Seigan/Third Eye), and introduce some content that makes use of this mystical defensive advantage.

But, instead of considering either of these options (the only two options there are; more offense or more defense), they've chosen to try and see just how far they can push their own contradiction by adding more tools to "control" the battlefield, without actually giving us any more control, when the solution I proposed above (make Cover a job trait) would not only give us the control we deserve, but have zero impact on parties that choose not to bring a Paladin, all the while ignoring the 35 or so pages of feedback in this thread alone and leaving us in the dark. If the development team wishes to keep us forever bogged down in the mire of irrelevance, allow me to refund all the EXP I've put into Paladin and reallocate it to a job I will actually have occasion to play.

Camate, please address some of the feedback in this thread, instead of ignoring us or pulling ridiculous suggestions from the Japanese forums. We have legitimate ideas too.

well said Rorrick. I second your sentiments.
The thing about PLD in particular, when it comes to job utility, is that it appeals to a lot of us.
Its not some wacky quirky job like PUP or BST or DNC. Its one of those jobs that has a huge amount of followers and fans.

Some people play THF because they like the idea,concept and traditional role it has played throughout FF games. Others like BLM and nuking. A great many of us feel that way about PLD. Its more than just tanking to us, its playing the role we would like to in a fantasy game.

But SE you have shat on it for too long. FFS fix the damn job.

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Originally Posted by Cursed

well said Rorrick. I second your sentiments.
The thing about PLD in particular, when it comes to job utility, is that it appeals to a lot of us.
Its not some wacky quirky job like PUP or BST or DNC. Its one of those jobs that has a huge amount of followers and fans.

Some people play THF because they like the idea,concept and traditional role it has played throughout FF games. Others like BLM and nuking. A great many of us feel that way about PLD. Its more than just tanking to us, its playing the role we would like to in a fantasy game.

But SE you have shat on it for too long. FFS fix the damn job.

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It's as if you took my feelings and put them into words. It's for this reason that I will always play PLD. Because I enjoy it. Because it's my kind of job. It goes so far beyond tanking and endgame.

Bump

We need Defense Bonus switched out for a damage taken reduction trait, make it different than Def Bonus if you are worried about WAR getting 2 of them.

Give us some attention please!

i agree with rorrick and cursed up there. also rorrick made a really good point about them not giving defensive buffs to other jobs. they could also, if they didnt want to change defense bonus to -DT, change defense to something more potent, its what pld has so make it good!

I support the above post.

Thank you!

I have said before and i will say it again, yes SE you CAN raise the hate cap, but do it only for pld. So say the cap is 1000, simply make plds 1200, yes before everyone screams they will never loose hate thats broken, make it so after the pld has had above 1000 hate for like 30 secs the game forces his hate back down below 1k for atleast 10 secs. Its idea and imo a way to give pld back some ability to i dunno TANK