Level 99 Relic, Mythic, Empyrean, and WoE Weapons

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Originally Posted by Draylo

Why is this in the "early" stages? Shouldn't something have been thought of when these weapons were created...?

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This is exactly why I didn't hesitate to cancel my account immediately. Just so discouraging... like no one there cares.

I think what SE fails to realize is that for the last year or so they really haven't given us much to do except for weapon building via Trial of the Magians and now they are just basically saying (proposing) that it will be a thing of the past and that time and hard work, regardless of if one was upgrading a relic, mythic, empyrean or walk of echoes weapon, has now been completely wasted.

That's the main point of why we're all outraged and SE's shortsightedness to be like other MMOs in the the style of FF is doing nothing short of upsetting the player base. Magians trials are not fun, I'm not saying that in the least but it still gave people something to do and people are proud of the progress they have made with the weapons they made for certain situations and now all that work appears to mean nothing as if SE is proposing they are about to say tough ****, move on with this now or leave.

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Originally Posted by Yukihiro

I think what SE fails to realize is that for the last year or so they really haven't given us much to do except for weapon building via Trial of the Magians and now they are just basically saying (proposing) that it will be a thing of the past and that time and hard work, regardless of if one was upgrading a relic, mythic, empyrean or walk of echoes weapon, has now been completely wasted.

That's the main point of why we're all outraged and SE's shortsightedness to be like other MMOs in the the style of FF is doing nothing short of upsetting the player base. Magians trials are not fun, I'm not saying that in the least but it still gave people something to do and people are proud of the progress they have made with the weapons they made for certain situations and now all that work appears to mean nothing as if SE is proposing they are about to say tough ****, move on with this now or leave.

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I agree. I don't understand why they suddenly feel the need to be like every other MMO on the market when the game has been going strong for 10 years the way it is. Like I've said in previous posts if I wanted to play WoW I would be playing that an not this. Please SE, stop trying to turn this game into WoW. I'm obviously not the only player who is not at all interested in the direction you are taking this game.

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Originally Posted by Kayvindra

Paying for an account when they don't listen to anything their players want solves nothing. I think its funny that Matsui thinks that we will be disappointed if they can't follow through with this "idea" when in reality we are already disappointed at the fact that this REALLY DUMB "idea" even came about in the first place.

I'm sick of everyone saying "well that is what every other MMO does." That's great, but I don't want to play those other MMOs, that is why I play FFXI and not the others.

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And that is a fair judgement to make. I have had many ideas over the years and SE never implemented a single one of them. They've done some things I've thought were monumentally stupid. If I feel like quitting over this, that's my choice of how I spend my money.

But I'm not going to delude myself into thinking I'm making the game a better place by cutting its funding.

Edit: and I'm not going to accuse you of thinking that way either, I'm just attempting to point out that this is a no-win situation.

I don't know if anybody, especially SE, has realized what is happening now, is almost exactly what has happened to FFXIV after it's initial release:

1 - People are not paying and supporting this, and are cancelling their accounts
2 - People are consistantly talking about cancelling their accounts, or are in the thought process that if things don't improve, they are going to cancel their account.
3 - Lots of bad opinions from the fanbase. Eventually this can get onto video game publications and websites, which will only increase bad publicity about SE's diminishing reputation as a company.
4 - You still got some, but not many, thinking this is a good idea. Everybody is welcome to their opinion, and if you like it, you like it. But if just as many people like it as much as people liked the original FFXIV, then obviously the future doesn't look good.

So if they are experiencing a bout of Deja Vu at the offices of SE, there's a really good reason. Cause it's not that far off.

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Originally Posted by Yinnyth

And that is a fair judgement to make. I have had many ideas over the years and SE never implemented a single one of them. They've done some things I've thought were monumentally stupid. If I feel like quitting over this, that's my choice of how I spend my money.

But I'm not going to delude myself into thinking I'm making the game a better place by cutting its funding.

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I'm not saying that I'm thinking its going to make the game better. If I'm at a point where I don't want to play/pay anymore then it means I've lost all hope that its going to get better. Look at all the outcry about this and all Matsui says is "stats on your equipment can't always be proportionate." To me that's him giving me the big middle finger for all the hard work I put into making my relics and emps and if everyone cancelling their accounts is the only way for SE to see how big of a **** up this is then so be it.

Are you going to delude yourself into beliving that if you stay with them, they will actually fix the mess they made when they werent listening even when we were funding them? In the real world, if the ones funding the programs dont like the results, funding is cut or pulled, how is it different here? If we keep paying like nothing is wrong, they will not listen, if we cut their earnings, they will take notice. Simple as that. If this decision has caused the game to die, let that be upon SE and their determination to remain inflexible and unbending, because im sure plenty of us would accept a rollback and this update being totally undone.

Think what you will, but unlike Yinnyth, i dont pay for things i dont want or need. I dont pay for petfood if i dont have a pet, i dont pay for motorcycle insurance if i dont have a motorcycle, and if paying for the game hasnt made it better, why should i keep paying, especially when the fun in it has left me?

We as a playerbase complain a lot, sure, but usually, its because we want change, but the game is bearable enough to continue playing. So if the minor changes before were totally disreguarded, what makes anyone believe this time will be different?

Ill check back on the forums every few weeks/months after my sub' expires, but I am not going to be herded into the barn and told to be a sheep.

Cancelled x2 accounts x9 characters gone as of May 25th. I don't have a e/m/r 99 (x3 90 empys) and was working toward a relic but this is Horse @$#% . Goals... unfinnished goals, just don't seem worth finnishing if this is the rout this is taking, update wipes out last months progress, then 2 months later that gets obsolete by the next update, ... that is not why I play.. that doesn't make me feel accomplished, if I wanted mario I would play mario, I will miss my friends dearly but I am not happy with the last 6 years of goals wiped out by a single update, to please the not so derpish. I'm no leet by any streach of the imagination but I was happy with where I was in this game, Blm main and fairly content with my progress on my main account. I understand blm's uselessness with new content, but My drk was a work in progress and to have what I did have so outclassed by something that can be bought. No thanks. I worked hard for what I had. again, thank you S.e. for the past 6 years friendships but no thanks to the new hyper hampster wheel you're throwing in the cage.

Lets be honest a lot of you was bored and wanted to quit before the r/m/e mess even started

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Originally Posted by Falseliberty

Lets be honest a lot of you was bored and wanted to quit before the r/m/e mess even started

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Actually no, my goals were to get a amano to 99 and a yochi to 99. After i finished both of those i was thinking of making a burtgang for my pld. I was having fun doing the new content with the weapons i had built over the years, and going to make more.

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Originally Posted by Mefuki

The simplest and dirtiest solution is just tack on +75 or however much onto RME so they're still a little better than everything else. It's still kinda lazy but problem solved.

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this is, in my opinion, the 2nd best way to handle the problem. I think they should just nerf all the delve weapons... it's fine if they're still the best, but the margin at which all the new weapons surpass everything prior to adoulin is sickening.

looking at how to build the weapons tho (the craftable ones)... each one needs an item drop from one of the Naakuals... to craft... I haven't heard of anyone getting the naakual weapons yet... because I haven't seen a single one of the craft items on any ah, so in short... maybe this is going to be that difficult to get those weapons... maybe SE should just make the R/E/Ms match the plasmid ones... but still... IDK, and IDK if anyone knows how hard the naakuals are now/gonna be, maybe the naakuals at their top tiered versions are going to be the next AV/PW...

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Originally Posted by Crimson_Slasher

Are you going to delude yourself into beliving that if you stay with them, they will actually fix the mess they made when they werent listening even when we were funding them? In the real world, if the ones funding the programs dont like the results, funding is cut or pulled, how is it different here? If we keep paying like nothing is wrong, they will not listen, if we cut their earnings, they will take notice.

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No, I will not delude myself into thinking that things will change the way I want them to just because I pay them and give feedback. SE has never taken my advice on any topic. However, I am (overall) happy with the direction the game is going regardless of all these game-shattering changes, so I continue to pay them, and I continue to support them.

However, if you stop paying the government because you're unhappy with the roads around your area of town, you lose all right to complain about the roads because you no longer pay for them.

O.O WHY ARE WE COMPLAINING, I"M LOOKING AT THE GEARS AGAIN AND OMG THEY ALL SEXY!!!!!!!!! excuse my language but still O.O who cares if it's easy mode, this stuff is awesome...

and we all know they're going to eventually boost R/E/Ms anyway...

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Originally Posted by Yinnyth

No, I will not delude myself into thinking that things will change the way I want them to just because I pay them and give feedback. SE has never taken my advice on any topic. However, I am (overall) happy with the direction the game is going regardless of all these game-shattering changes, so I continue to pay them, and I continue to support them.

However, if you stop paying the government because you're unhappy with the roads around your area of town, you lose all right to complain about the roads because you no longer pay for them.

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This argument is horribly, logically flawed and this is how: You are comparing a company that released a product/service that you voluntarily agreed to "Terms and Conditions" in order to participate in/play; subsequently you are paying on a monthly basis.

This isn't about the government, this isn't about roads...

As everyone who has argued against the proposed upcoming changes to R/M/E weapons have already, repeatedly stated... many feel that cutting the flow of the subscriptions towards something they are "not" happy with, should in the long run, garner the attention of the company who released the product/service in the first place to "not" release a modified product or service to a player base that is "not happy" or that is grossly unsatisfied with the direction the company has chosen to take.

If you are actively paying for a product or service to a company and you voice your concerns that the direction the company has chosen to take is "flawed" or lacks appropriate insight based on numerous, numerous customer related complaints, and if the company chooses to continue in the same said direction (which it most certainly can choose to do)....then it is LOGICAL that those who are actively "paying" subscriptions may opt to no longer pay said subscriptions which will of course affect the company's "bottom line" which will of course affect the product or service that was previously benefiting from those subscriptions, which will of course garner the attention of the company's asset management or finance department due to lower monthly income etc.

In the end, its all economics. That being said, as of May 31, 2013 my 10+ years subscription will lapse, and I will no longer play this game until this issue associated with R/M/E weapons that I have dedicated at least 9 months to raising to lvl 99 has been addressed to MY SATISFACTION.

So, in effect... if Square-Enix Developers do NOTHING... then I shall PAY NOTHING. Quite simple really.

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Originally Posted by Yinnyth

No, I will not delude myself into thinking that things will change the way I want them to just because I pay them and give feedback. SE has never taken my advice on any topic. However, I am (overall) happy with the direction the game is going regardless of all these game-shattering changes, so I continue to pay them, and I continue to support them.

However, if you stop paying the government because you're unhappy with the roads around your area of town, you lose all right to complain about the roads because you no longer pay for them.

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My membership expires in two days, and as i am still subscribed during this time, i am still considered as a paying customer, and thus until then still have the right to complain. Those days are already payed for so for the next two days i may freely express my complaints as vocally as i like, much to your chagrin.

I understand why some rush to defend these changes, however i dont, and i wont fund the project further just so that you may get your enjoyment from it. If you are worried about the project's funding, you and others can make up the difference, and subscribe to more accounts to offset those quitting.

But urging others who dont like the menu to order anyway and waste money is rude, and blaming the customer for the restaurant's poor menu is pretty naive and nonsensical. The restaurant will improve if their customer base declines sharp enough, or if enough customers complain and refuse to order the food. We have been complaining a long time, and the food still sucks, so ill eat elsewhere. Maybe ill be back in a month or two to try some things, and see if i am enjoying the menu, but at this time, i am not, and its only sated my hunger by its poor quality taking the urge to eat away.

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Originally Posted by bryangelos

Actually no, my goals were to get a amano to 99 and a yochi to 99. After i finished both of those i was thinking of making a burtgang for my pld. I was having fun doing the new content with the weapons i had built over the years, and going to make more.

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I don't see why you no longer have fun doing the content you had fun one week ago.
Does it really matter that the digit written on other people virtual goods are higher than on yours?
if you enjoy playing the game, no it doesn't, keep enjoying the game trying to get em.
if you didn't enjoy playing the game , wtf were you playing this game?

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Originally Posted by xiozen

This argument is horribly, logically flawed and this is how: You are comparing a company that released a product/service that you voluntarily agreed to "Terms and Conditions" in order to participate in/play; subsequently you are paying on a monthly basis.

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Taxes are voluntary as well. Everything you do in life is voluntary. Are you trying to make the argument that the US government is not a company designed around making money? Government and politics cause so much money flow, it puts any MMO to shame. You pay your government on a regular basis, and you expect certain things in return. If your guy doesn't win, do you move to a new country? No, because that's more hassle than qutting an MMO. And you have your right to quit the MMO if you want. I wish you would stay because I personally think it's still a good game. But you're welcome to your own opinion.

Quit if you want to! I won't stop you. I'll lament the loss of you certainly. But if you quit, stop sticking around here and trying to get other people to quit. I'm still trying to enjoy this game, and it's easier to enjoy if other people play it with me.

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If you are actively paying for a product or service to a company and you voice your concerns that the direction the company has chosen to take is "flawed" or lacks appropriate insight based on numerous, numerous customer related complaints, and if the company chooses to continue in the same said direction (which it most certainly can choose to do)....then it is LOGICAL that those who are actively "paying" subscriptions may opt to no longer pay said subscriptions which will of course affect the company's "bottom line" which will of course affect the product or service that was previously benefiting from those subscriptions, which will of course garner the attention of the company's asset management or finance department due to lower monthly income etc.

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An interesting, and very long sentence you raise. Tell me: how many things has SE changed because people quit the game over them? Because I can accurately tell you that at least one active player sired the age of cheese sammiches, so at a 0/1 rate, your chances of affecting how the game works are better as an active member than they are as a quitter.

Several people quit the game over Voidwatch drop rates. How many of them came back after pulse cells? How many completely new members did we gain as a result? In the business sense, it's better to ignore such players and focus on appeasing those players who are on the borderline, not over it. Once they've given up, they've given up, and there's no helping it.

You just said, in effect, 'when you mess up, just focus on who doesn't leave', but this isn't that. This is before the messup. This is 'still time to prevent it'.

And please note it's really really relevant that cheese sandwiches in the game suck even relative to their ingredients. It's not 'affecting how the game works' if you ask for, say, my personal haunt, Conserve MP food for mages, and get a level 102 cooking synth with an ingredient drop from an NM that gives Conserve MP +1.

Damage control.

is it so hard to understand the value we give to the weapons we took time and money to make?
i think it's not difficult to get that it's a little harder then going to ah and input some digits to find your new shiny weapon in your bag. and don't say it's not the case with delve, because it's what will happen.

we were assured that these weapons would be the best in game, they have been so for years, that's why we spent what we did on those. they have been updated through trials to keep their worth. even salvage gear got its own upgrade with salvage II to repay the effort people took in making them.
i don't see why REM cannot go through the same new upgrade system that was implemented for the new sets.

i think that if REM weren't designed the way they are (or were), most people would have tiptoed toward the ah to get a simple buyable weapon.

now they decide that's ok to revolt against the status quo? i don't know how others feel, but to me it's like restarting a game (weapon wise) because my save progress was deleted forcibly.

ps: lol at "taxes are voluntary"

After 30 pages of R/M/E complaints, we're complaing about a cheese sandwich now?

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Originally Posted by Kojo

After 30 pages of R/M/E complaints, we're complaing about a cheese sandwich now?

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Whatever it takes to get the point across!

Wait, did you get the point?

Guys listen... I know that no one likes sacrificing their virgin daughters to the mountain dragon but if you keep doing it for generations perhaps he will grow fat and happy and start being benevolent!

Speaking of Tanaka, I wonder what he thinks. In an interview, he stated that before he left, he wanted to make sure the team had a timeline roadmap to stick to, lately things have gotten VERY un-Tanaka. If he were still at the helm, I doubt damage ratings would ever get this high, and if so, Tanaka's creations, his lasting legacy wouldn't be left to fall into obscurity.

I feel Tanaka is somewhere, either laughing, crying, or shaking his head at the direction this game is going.

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Originally Posted by hiko

I don't see why you no longer have fun doing the content you had fun one week ago.
Does it really matter that the digit written on other people virtual goods are higher than on yours?
if you enjoy playing the game, no it doesn't, keep enjoying the game trying to get em.
if you didn't enjoy playing the game , wtf were you playing this game?

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RME weapons are (occasionally) fun to make, but they are mostly work. When they made new weapons that are twice as powerful, they basically cut the pay for the job.

This is the video game equivalent of switching your pay grade from 20 euros an hour to 20 Mexican pesos an hour and cancelling your pension / retirement fund. Do people still get some satisfaction from a job well done? Yes. Do people get enough satisfaction from a job well done to compensate for the fact that they just took a 90% pay cut and lost all their tenure / benefits? Not by a long shot. Time to look for a new place (Game) to work.

EDIT: For those that don't know, 20 pesos is about 1.25 euros.

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Originally Posted by Zohno

ps: lol at "taxes are voluntary"

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I got a good chuckle out of this also. I'll have to ask Yinnyth which box I check on my W-4 for the option to have no taxes taken at all!

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Originally Posted by Ica

I got a good chuckle out of this also. I'll have to ask Yinnyth which box I check on my W-4 for the option to have no taxes taken at all!

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Yeah, we CHOOSE to pay taxes like we CHOOSE to breathe, we CHOOSE to consume food and drink, we CHOOSE to go to the bathroom. You may not HAVE to do these things, but there are dire consequences when you don't. Such as, losing your house in the case of taxes, or your life or health on the other 3. (Just pointing that out for anyone who doesn't get it.)

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Originally Posted by Mefuki

The simplest and dirtiest solution is just tack on +75 or however much onto RME so they're still a little better than everything else. It's still kinda lazy but problem solved.

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While you're at it, get them to do the same thing for Sky gear. It's only fair, we had to camp those for months or years straight and pray we got the drop. Ridill, too.

What, too much?

IMHO, don't just mindlessly upgrade R/M/E. Give them upgrade PATHS.

RME Weapon + three nak/delve drops + bunch of plasm = reforged RME, but the weapon has to be completed to it's pre-Adoulin maximum first. Statwise, they do NOT need to be superior, as long as they keep their unique WS'es and their stats go up to match Adoulin's endgame weaponry. Put a trader goblin out somewhere that takes keeping the way cleared to it's utmost maximum of exploration.

Voila. You've just made the expansion relevant for ages to come.

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Originally Posted by Keyln

If this is going to be a progressive, old gear will, eventually have to be obsolete, including RMECs.

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Originally Posted by Alerith

And halt. Pause. Rewind.

My question to the above quote is: "Why?"

I understand your argument about things needing to be progressive. That's fine. But R/M/E aren't subject to this rule. They are (or were) the best weapons in their class. They were the "Ultimate Weapons" of this game, with requirements that, for the most part, reflected such, and were to be the end all weapon for that type.

Why does what the weapon is (in this case, the Ultimate Weapon) have to change? Just because someone says progression can't happen without them becoming useless?

I don't think so. The trials did exactly what was necessary. They kept the Ultimate Weapons where they should be, which is at the top. Just because someone made their Mandau back in 2005 and eight years have now passed does not mean that the time they spent working on it is suddenly invalid.

People bring up this silly argument all the time. "R/M/E can't be the best forever!".

Why not? They were designed to be.

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Because it's the nature of the progressive MMO, which outside of sandbox style MMOs such as Ultima Online and Second Life, is most MMO's on the market, FFXI included.

In order to create bigger and better challenges, bigger and better monsters need to be created, which needs bigger and better gear to handle.

This means that old gear that was suited for old content will be made obsolete, just as old content is more or less made obsolete. That includes the most powerful weapons of its time.

Sure, RMECs can be updated to match, but truth be told, it only would postpone the inevitable. The next time that there would be an update, it would make the RMECs obsolete again, and we would have this argument again.

It's the nature of MMOs, and complaining about it does no favor to the dev team of FFXI. It's like complaining that water is wet, or that gravity exists, and wanting someone to do something about it.

With that said, I find it funny that people are comparing this game to a job Protip, guys: If playing a game feels more like a job than fun, stop playing.

All I can say is that I know this much is true; DNC should be able to use Mandau. No reason not to, especially now. In fact, DNC NEEDS Mandau, so we can be... Mandau Ballet~

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Originally Posted by Areayea

O.O WHY ARE WE COMPLAINING, I"M LOOKING AT THE GEARS AGAIN AND OMG THEY ALL SEXY!!!!!!!!! excuse my language but still O.O who cares if it's easy mode, this stuff is awesome...

and we all know they're going to eventually boost R/E/Ms anyway...

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Except if you read Matsui's post he says they aren't going to boost them, just make the ws unlockable IF you have the 99 version. He says "sorry stats can't always be proportionate." I didn't work my *** off 99ing my Mandau just to be able to use the ws on another weapon and make my Mandau become an offhand weapon. 100mil just to get 75 version plus another 75mil in marrows? That's a pretty expensive ws.

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Originally Posted by Keyln

Because it's the nature of the progressive MMO, which outside of sandbox style MMOs such as Ultima Online and Second Life, is most MMO's on the market, FFXI included.

In order to create bigger and better challenges, bigger and better monsters need to be created, which needs bigger and better gear to handle.

This means that old gear that was suited for old content will be made obsolete, just as old content is more or less made obsolete. That includes the most powerful weapons of its time.

Sure, RMECs can be updated to match, but truth be told, it only would postpone the inevitable. The next time that there would be an update, it would make the RMECs obsolete again, and we would have this argument again.

It's the nature of MMOs, and complaining about it does no favor to the dev team of FFXI. It's like complaining that water is wet, or that gravity exists, and wanting someone to do something about it.

With that said, I find it funny that people are comparing this game to a job Protip, guys: If playing a game feels more like a job than fun, stop playing.

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This is the exact type of MMO I DO NOT want to play. FFXI was never in the model of "every patch makes everything prior obselete" and that is what attracted me to the game and if they turn the game into that, it will have lost its fun for me.

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Originally Posted by Keyln

Because it's the nature of the progressive MMO, which outside of sandbox style MMOs such as Ultima Online and Second Life, is most MMO's on the market, FFXI included.

In order to create bigger and better challenges, bigger and better monsters need to be created, which needs bigger and better gear to handle.

This means that old gear that was suited for old content will be made obsolete, just as old content is more or less made obsolete. That includes the most powerful weapons of its time.

Sure, RMECs can be updated to match, but truth be told, it only would postpone the inevitable. The next time that there would be an update, it would make the RMECs obsolete again, and we would have this argument again.

It's the nature of MMOs, and complaining about it does no favor to the dev team of FFXI. It's like complaining that water is wet, or that gravity exists, and wanting someone to do something about it.

With that said, I find it funny that people are comparing this game to a job Protip, guys: If playing a game feels more like a job than fun, stop playing.

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They can use systems like evolith and magian trials. They already added magian trials to upgrade all these weapons. There is no reason that they couldn't make new trials that require completion and or drops of new content. The ability to progress and the ability to keep relics powerful are not mutually exclusive.

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Originally Posted by Keyln

Because it's the nature of the progressive MMO, which outside of sandbox style MMOs such as Ultima Online and Second Life, is most MMO's on the market, FFXI included.

In order to create bigger and better challenges, bigger and better monsters need to be created, which needs bigger and better gear to handle.

This means that old gear that was suited for old content will be made obsolete, just as old content is more or less made obsolete. That includes the most powerful weapons of its time.

Sure, RMECs can be updated to match, but truth be told, it only would postpone the inevitable. The next time that there would be an update, it would make the RMECs obsolete again, and we would have this argument again.

It's the nature of MMOs, and complaining about it does no favor to the dev team of FFXI. It's like complaining that water is wet, or that gravity exists, and wanting someone to do something about it.

With that said, I find it funny that people are comparing this game to a job Protip, guys: If playing a game feels more like a job than fun, stop playing.

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Don't post if you do not know what you are talking about. FFXI is not a typical MMO like so many others on the market today. It is the nature of Final Fantasy that the ultimate weapons be just that, especially for the amount of effort required to make them. You people need to stop assuming that R/M/E owners are trying to make everything a standstill in the game, because that is not the case. R/M/E owners have gone through a lot more content and dedicated a lot more time than casuals or lazy people who want to instantly be the best. It isn't a bad system to add a little more effort on R/M/E owners part that requires participation in the same new content in order to upgrade our weapons further to remain the best, and it keeps the entire game alive in the event that other people want to go back and build these weapons, or more weapons. Get it through your heads that gear and these R/M/E weapons are on completely different levels of effort. It is understandable when gear a year or so old gets outclassed, but not weapons that have been allowed to be upgraded this far. FFXI has never moved so fast to outrank the gearsets from the previous update with the next update like every other MMO.

The whole "Tough luck" attitude I see a lot of players posting on forums regarding the whole situation is pretty dumb. There are combined registered on ffxiah.com 36,391 R/M/E. Seems to me, that's a huge portion of your remaining playerbase of a 10-year-old game to tick off and would reflect badly on profits.

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Originally Posted by Keyln

In order to create bigger and better challenges, bigger and better monsters need to be created, which needs bigger and better gear to handle.

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So you can wrap your head around them including new content and new weapons, but including a manner to upgrade old gear in that new content is out of your comprehension (Then again RME adjustment isn't particularly relevant to a smn/pup)?

You compare this to "most MMO's on the market" but that's silly and irrelevant. Why change the formula for a game that's been working well for 8 years longer than most others lasted? RME were adjusted to be applicable to level increases, why is this rocket science to you? You can't tell me you think adding a "collect 50k plasma to 99+1 your RME" sounds like a 4 month project.

What good is them saying: we don't have the manpower to do what would keep a majority of our playerbase happy (and paying) because we are feverishly working on BURROW; the new delve that replaced skirmish that replaced reives! We cannot conceive of getting anything done because we're hard at making week old content already irrelevant!

FFXI has been for a long time completely different than other MMO. If you want to change things up, do it after 2 years or 3, not in the twilight years of the game when most of the playerbase is grandfathered in.

I don't rly follow all the issues against these new weapons. I understand that a decent amount of time was put into them, but still..

At the 75 cap time, ppl put in tons of time with end game events getting armor. Probably more time then, then they do now to make a weapon. When the game advanced and new content was introduced, those armors were no longer the best. Even with the eventual upgrades. Its just how things evolve. - The situation with the weapons now, is not much different. Ppl are just upset that they have to do more work again. Which i can partially understand.

But ppl quiting because a new weapon came out? Seriously? The company might not like it, but from a players perspective, if someone is going to rage quit over something as stupid as that, id rather have em gone now anyway'

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Originally Posted by Kojo

If your point was a grilled cheese sandwich, I'll be getting it about lunch time.

I can only assume in Japan, at SE HQ, Matsui and his team are working hard on finding a way to shut everyone up, while an intern reads the complaints and takes notes, all of a sudden!! "It appears they are concerned about a sandwich now! We're saved!"

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Winner. Your taco will be delivered to you within the next 7-14 business days.

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Originally Posted by hiko

I don't see why you no longer have fun doing the content you had fun one week ago.
Does it really matter that the digit written on other people virtual goods are higher than on yours?
if you enjoy playing the game, no it doesn't, keep enjoying the game trying to get em.
if you didn't enjoy playing the game , wtf were you playing this game?

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I enjoyed the accomplishments of making the weapons, i was getting a weapon of the highest caliber. If you can't understand the difference one might feel making a 99 relic compared to buying a lvl 10 weapon off the ah then i'm not sure what to tell you. I actually didn't have fun grinding the events to get the weapons, my enjoyment came from actually getting them. Now that they are no longer top tier it feels like i would be wasting my time getting them, its the same reason i don't do campaign battle everyday to get all the the super weapons from doing that, because they aren't good.

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Originally Posted by Godofgods

I don't rly follow all the issues against these new weapons. I understand that a decent amount of time was put into them, but still..

At the 75 cap time, ppl put in tons of time with end game events getting armor. Probably more time then, then they do now to make a weapon. When the game advanced and new content was introduced, those armors were no longer the best. Even with the eventual upgrades. Its just how things evolve. - The situation with the weapons now, is not much different. Ppl are just upset that they have to do more work again. Which i can partially understand.

But ppl quiting because a new weapon came out? Seriously? The company might not like it, but from a players perspective, if someone is going to rage quit over something as stupid as that, id rather have em gone now anyway'

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You probably don't even own any of those said weapons to say that. Go spend months in dynamis/VW/Salvage or whatever to get a R/E/Ms at 99 and you'll understand how it feels.
Why did SE put trials to upgrade them to 99 if it's just to throw them out now? The problem here is the complete lack of communication and the huge slap in the face every R/E/Ms holders received.
Also what did they promise us? Allow us to use the weapon skills if we build a R/Es to 99? It sure was worth the ~150-200M invested. I'm sure everybody will spam Scourge with their new Great swords.

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Originally Posted by Godofgods

I don't rly follow all the issues against these new weapons. I understand that a decent amount of time was put into them, but still..

At the 75 cap time, ppl put in tons of time with end game events getting armor. Probably more time then, then they do now to make a weapon. When the game advanced and new content was introduced, those armors were no longer the best. Even with the eventual upgrades. Its just how things evolve. - The situation with the weapons now, is not much different. Ppl are just upset that they have to do more work again. Which i can partially understand.

But ppl quiting because a new weapon came out? Seriously? The company might not like it, but from a players perspective, if someone is going to rage quit over something as stupid as that, id rather have em gone now anyway'

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