No Timed Pop Notorious Monsters In New Expansion

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Originally Posted by Habu

I'm glad I stepped back from this argument so you guys could keep saying the same things over and over.

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You did no different, no reason for you to comment.

@Habu: So do you, but hey lets not derail.

HNMs with ridiculous respawn timers are a relic of the past. SE acknowledged this twice, first by having the KS99s so that others may have a shot at equipment of great value whilst skill experiencing the meat and bones of what it meant to fight those creatures. Yet the timed spawns still retained their unique loot as to keep meaning to their existence. Then later SE made those nms forced spawns that still hold a level of exclusivness while giving more an opportunity at fighting said mobs by buying the pop item. Overall the game was improved by this as players spent more time playing(good) and less time waiting(bad). A game that fails to entertain is a poor game. A game company that fails to entertain its customers is doomed to go bankrupt. There is no reason why SE would want to make content that is not entertaining.

Why is this topic still going with the same responses?

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Originally Posted by Trisscar

It is coveted, amongst Black Mages that don't have it. Similar to that Great Axe that falls from that Hydra is for part time Warriors that don't aim for Empy. And since blue procs aren't usually exploited on Brulo the Scythe has a low drop rate (I think I've seen drop maybe 5 times). What part of this is hard for you to fathom?

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That scythe is a piece of trash and any blm using it should be ashamed.

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Originally Posted by Habu

Why is this topic still going with the same responses?

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Originally Posted by Tamoa

That scythe is a piece of trash and any blm using it should be ashamed.

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^ ele staffs are still better than that garbage

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Originally Posted by Trisscar

It is coveted, amongst Black Mages that don't have it. Similar to that Great Axe that falls from that Hydra is for part time Warriors that don't aim for Empy. And since blue procs aren't usually exploited on Brulo the Scythe has a low drop rate (I think I've seen drop maybe 5 times). What part of this is hard for you to fathom?

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The part where people would actually want it.

That thing is absolute rubbish and anyone who equips it for anything other than town gear should be ashamed of themselves.

Sorry to tell you if I'm not serious about playing BLM, I would rather 1 decent Scythe for nuking, instead of carrying around 8 staffs I use on rare occasion.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

My 2nd part was basicly to anyone with the same idealism as this fellow here

As for being handed gear you don't understand. You for some reason do not understand the stupidity that is the idea of a monster in a virtual world that if you wish to fight you will likely need to base your life around. Some people have jobs, need to sleep, have family and friends outside, the game should not punish people who have their priorities in check and know life>game.

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Natenn is trolling bro.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Sorry to tell you if I'm not serious about playing BLM, I would rather 1 decent Scythe for nuking, instead of carrying around 8 staffs I use on rare occasion.

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So you're ok with being extremely mediocre?

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Originally Posted by Habu

So you're ok with being extremely mediocre?

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If I play my BLM once a week or less, for procs or other worthless things I am not expecting to do much damage, yeah, I'm perfectly ok with that. I still haven't gotten BLM full+1 even, because I honestly don't care for the job, I used it for the time I was in abyssea, needed seals, and had no other seal party jobs. Now the only BLM I care about gearing up is my gfs, mine can rot.

I literally play my BLM the same amount of time but I have enough respect for it to gear it. Just because you barely play a job that doesn't mean you can just half gear it and think that it's acceptable.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Sorry to tell you if I'm not serious about playing BLM, I would rather 1 decent Scythe for nuking, instead of carrying around 8 staffs I use on rare occasion.

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You shouldn't have leveled Black Mage then.

Elemental staves are the most basic and essential piece of equipment you can get for the job. If you're not going to invest in them then you shouldn't be on the job at all.

Alternatively you could free up a ton of your precious inventory slots by simply not gearing it at all and showing up to events butt naked on it.

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Originally Posted by Habu

I literally play my BLM the same amount of time but I have enough respect for it to gear it. Just because you barely play a job that doesn't mean you can just half gear it and think that it's acceptable.

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Originally Posted by cidbahamut

You shouldn't have leveled Black Mage then.

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You guys sure are full of yourselves.

Because if I level a job I actually take some pride in getting decent gear for it so I'm not useless on it?

Showing up on BLM without at least NQ elemental staves is like a Ninja showing up without any Ninja tools.

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Originally Posted by Habu

So you're ok with being extremely mediocre?

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I (as a career Blue Mage) don't go into a VWNM expecting someone who leveled Blue Mage just to fill the niche of Proc exploit to have Almace level 90 and all the bells and whistles that I have or any other long time Blue Mage has. As long as they have the skills and the actual spells I don't see the problem with them not having it. And since I'm not leveling Black Mage as a career I won't be wasting my time and/or effort to get Black Mage's bell and whistles when the scythe is good enough to get me by.

Nor will I sneer at Black Mages that do have all the bells and whistles that a more dedicated Black Mage would.

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Originally Posted by cidbahamut

You shouldn't have leveled Black Mage then.

Elemental staves are the most basic and essential piece of equipment you can get for the job. If you're not going to invest in them then you shouldn't be on the job at all.

Alternatively you could free up a ton of your precious inventory slots by simply not gearing it at all and showing up to events butt naked on it.

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Let me correct you, elemental staves are the most basic and essential piece of equipment you can get for the job IF, you want to do damage. I cared nothing about damage, I cared about procs, I wanted gear, +1 and +2, BLM is easiest job to do that with especially as RDM is and was my main job which gave me many of the spells already along with some gear for it.

To continue gearing my BLM when my gf is a BLM main seemed boring, because I have no want to do the same work over again for both of us, I would rather let her be better at what she likes, as such I took up SCH. I have been making damage staffs for my SCH, and RDM. Later I plan to make trial Magic Acc staffs if that matters much once enfeebling changes, I have been putting them off for the reason of waiting on the verdict on that subject.

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Originally Posted by cidbahamut

Showing up on BLM without at least NQ elemental staves is like a Ninja showing up without any Ninja tools.

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Except, NIN cant cast any spells that way, and BLM only casts weaker, gimpier spells, yes, same thing.

itt: people who think that gimping their VW party is ok because it's not their main job. Hopefully they wont stick you on DoTs with that nice proc scythe you're wearing.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Let me correct you, elemental staves are the most basic and essential piece of equipment you can get for the job IF, you want to do damage. I cared nothing about damage, I cared about procs, I wanted gear, +1 and +2, BLM is easiest job to do that with especially as RDM is and was my main job which gave me many of the spells already along with some gear for it.

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So if you have RDM you already had access to the staves and have no reason not to make use of them. If as you say you were just using it for procs and absolutely nothing else, then you shouldn't have any gear for it at all, in which case you've no need for the scythe.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

To continue gearing my BLM when my gf is a BLM main seemed boring, because I have no want to do the same work over again for both of us, I would rather let her be better at what she likes, as such I took up SCH. I have been making damage staffs for my SCH, and RDM. Later I plan to make trial Magic Acc staffs if that matters much once enfeebling changes, I have been putting them off for the reason of waiting on the verdict on that subject.

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Oh sweet merciful Christ...Save yourself the trouble and don't bother with the magic accuracy staves. They are a terrible return on investment and won't be some silver bullet fix to NMs having stupid resist rates/immunities. As one Red Mage to another, take my advice and build yourself a couple nuking staves, they're so much more fun and useful to boot.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Let me correct you, elemental staves are the most basic and essential piece of equipment you can get for the job IF, you want to do damage. I cared nothing about damage, I cared about procs, I wanted gear, +1 and +2, BLM is easiest job to do that with especially as RDM is and was my main job which gave me many of the spells already along with some gear for it.

To continue gearing my BLM when my gf is a BLM main seemed boring, because I have no want to do the same work over again for both of us, I would rather let her be better at what she likes, as such I took up SCH. I have been making damage staffs for my SCH, and RDM. Later I plan to make trial Magic Acc staffs if that matters much once enfeebling changes, I have been putting them off for the reason of waiting on the verdict on that subject.

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This response is most appropriate as long as you strive to gear your primary job(s) with the best gear. As a member of a shell, people know my best geared jobs, my decently geared jobs, and my "if the shell is desperate" jobs.

You also have a responsibility to pass on good gear for your lesser jobs to those who have it as their primary job.

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Originally Posted by cidbahamut

Showing up on BLM without at least NQ elemental staves is like a Ninja showing up without any Ninja tools.

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Why? They're a very minor improvement over the NQ staves, if that.

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Originally Posted by cidbahamut

So if you have RDM you already had access to the staves and have no reason not to make use of them. If as you say you were just using it for procs and absolutely nothing else, then you shouldn't have any gear for it at all, in which case you've no need for the scythe.

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Scythe was actually a stoke of luck getting it, went to get my gf PUP body seals off Titan and teamed up with a PLD going for souls, dropped 2 Scythes in the time we were farming him, my gf got one, and I got the other. Other than that staffs were mostly sold because I had almost no use for them once abyssea nearly killed off RDM being useful, I figured if I wanted staves, I would just make the trial ones sometime.

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Oh sweet merciful Christ...Save yourself the trouble and don't bother with the magic accuracy staves. They are a terrible return on investment and won't be some silver bullet fix to NMs having stupid resist rates/immunities. As one Red Mage to another, take my advice and build yourself a couple nuking staves, they're so much more fun and useful to boot.

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lol k, I was probably just sticking to nuking anyways, like I said acc were mainly going to be made if the changes to enfeebling magic actually make them worth having, to much work unless there is a noticeable difference.

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Originally Posted by Trisscar

Why? They're a very minor improvement over the NQ staves, if that.

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NQ staves are a minor improvement over NQ staves? What? Perhaps you mistakenly thought I was refering to the higher quality counterparts, in which case you are still being silly because they offer a sizable performance boost. It's a straight percentage increase to damage, which is kind of amazing.

HNMs are dumb>so are Ele staves. Oh wise one.

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Originally Posted by Habu

HNMs are dumb>so are Ele staves. Oh wise one.

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Yes, thats exactly what was said.

Oh yes we should have timed popped because we're all unemployed and play this game for 12+ hours a day. How dare someone with an actual job try playing this game and still lead a regular life outside the game! They're not the "real" players.

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Too easy

Looks like the topic was successfully derailed. Does that mean Timed HNMs deserve to return to the game? No.

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Originally Posted by Habu

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Too easy

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Yes, we all know you are, I simply feel like replying to you because you like to twist words, I just like to restate that what your saying is false.

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Originally Posted by cidbahamut

NQ staves are a minor improvement over NQ staves? What? Perhaps you mistakenly thought I was refering to the higher quality counterparts, in which case you are still being silly because they offer a sizable performance boost. It's a straight percentage increase to damage, which is kind of amazing.

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I'm going to assume we're not talking about comparison of Light Staff to Apollo's Staff, as that isn't anything a Black Mage needs worry about unless they're assist healing, and for a more likely comparison of Fire Staff to Vulcan's Staff.

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Originally Posted by FFxiclopedia

http://images.wikia.com/ffxi/images/1/10/Fire_Staff.png
Hidden effect:
Fire Magic Affinity +1
-2 Avatar perpetuation cost for Ifrit and Fire Spirit.

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Versus:

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Originally Posted by FFxiclopedia

http://images.wikia.com/ffxi/images/...%27s_Staff.png


Hidden effect:
Fire Magic Affinity +2
-3 Avatar perpetuation cost for Ifrit and Fire Spirit.

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[sarcasm]Oh yes, that's a staggering difference right there that makes it worth the old time expense of millions just to get the HQ staves.[/sarcasm]

Not.

Compare it to:

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Originally Posted by FFxiclopedia

http://images.wikia.com/ffxi/images/1/1f/Maleficus.png

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So yeah, even according to career Black Mages, Maleficus will cover your basic needs as a part time Black Mage. The Magian staves are for for those determined to make the most out of Black Mage (the career Black Mage) and the HQ staves are only good for posers like yourself.

Oh lord, where do I even start...

Here, educate yourself instead of insulting me: http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Magic_Affinity
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Ca...g_Magic_Damage
The flat 10% increase of a NQ staff is going to beat the pants off the Scythe. 15% if you buy an HQ staff.

By the way, HQ staves don't cost millions anymore and the NQ versions are dirt cheap.

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Originally Posted by cidbahamut

Oh lord, where do I even start...

Here, educate yourself instead of insulting me: http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Magic_Affinity
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Ca...g_Magic_Damage
The flat 10% increase of a NQ staff is going to beat the pants off the Scythe. 15% if you buy an HQ staff.

By the way, HQ staves don't cost millions anymore and the NQ versions are dirt cheap: http://www.ffxiah.com/search/item?&level[0]=51&level[1]=51&skill_id=12#adv

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Who says I don't already have the elemental staves? I have some (the NQ versions at least) because they're useful to have on Blue Mage to exploit procs on monsters that have high resists to that specific element (Akvan and Darkness element comes immediately to mind), due purely to fact that Blue Mage has no other options.

But just like I don't sneer at part time Blue Mages who don't have all the gear a full timer would, I don't sneer at part time Black Mages either.

Edit to add: Yes, I know that with a small investment on my part I can get the HQ staves. I just sneer at the huge price jump between NQ to HQ from ye olde tyme, there was never a justification for that.

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Originally Posted by cidbahamut

By the way, HQ staves don't cost millions anymore and the NQ versions are dirt cheap.

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All of them together don't cost even 1 mil(on Phoenix)

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Originally Posted by saevel

This wouldn't make the hardcore crown happy at all, if anything it would piss them off even further.

Their value isn't in the gear or even the accomplishment of killing the dangerous / "challenging" *cough* NM. The value is in other people not having the gear. They want it impossible for other players to obtain the gear, thus giving meaning to their no-job / school / social non-life.

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i'm hardcore and i'm not pissed....

its an mmorpg... ppl gonna get the gear eventually why you out so much stock in artifical value... and infact...

content id just about the reward... its about the content being fun to so.

ever knew timed mobs wasn't fun. it got tedious that even some hardcores got tired of it. Hence the change in kings.

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Originally Posted by Tyrion

Has nothing to do with it, just wish your story was a little consistent.

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i've been playing the game for years, all my friends and my ex did hnm. I asked questions about it and been to a few runs that i COULD do.
I seen 1 behemoth 2 admantious. almost got egg but family dc me.

but really tho what i said was consistent. it was rare for me to make a run cuz i put real life over a game i sleep when i need to, and when i sleep thats when most windows were open.

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Originally Posted by Suteru

Oh yes we should have timed popped because we're all unemployed and play this game for 12+ hours a day. How dare someone with an actual job try playing this game and still lead a regular life outside the game! They're not the "real" players.

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life vs no life aurgument is grasping strwas on either side please stop. if u have nothing productive to say don't post.

ps this thread has nothing to do with gear, or ele staves. honestly tho fact rdm can use them is stupid since rdm has no natural staff skill...

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Originally Posted by Rosina

if u have nothing productive to say don't post.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

honestly tho fact rdm can use them is stupid since rdm has no natural staff skill...

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Hmmmm.......

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Originally Posted by Rosina

ps this thread has nothing to do with gear, or ele staves. honestly tho fact rdm can use them is stupid since rdm has no natural staff skill...

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Your argument here does not follow. That's not the reason most people who use staves use staves.