Newest interview (abyssea was a mistake?)

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Originally Posted by Natasha

Lol what a dumb comment, doesnt have easy gear? My god, that person cant do anything!?! Yeah right.

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Well, you are the one going on about how easy this game has gotten yet you cant even seem to get the easiest of easy things.

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Originally Posted by Kimble

Well, you are the one going on about how easy this game has gotten yet you cant even seem to get the easiest of easy things.

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Don't have =! to cant get

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Originally Posted by Natasha

Lol what a dumb comment, doesnt have easy gear? My god, that person cant do anything!?! Yeah right.

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You're not allowed to whine about other people making the game too easy until you have a brutal earring.

Don't worry, the Official Forums aren't going anywhere. When you finally manage to collect all 75 pokem- I mean Ancient Beastcoins, we'll be ready to poke holes in all the other flaws in your argument.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

You're not allowed to whine about other people making the game too easy until you have a brutal earring.

Don't worry, the Official Forums aren't going anywhere. When you finally manage to collect all 75 pokem- I mean Ancient Beastcoins, we'll be ready to poke holes in all the other flaws in your argument.

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I probably wont EVER get a brutal earring, I simply don't care to get one at this point. Back when it was 75 cap, I might have. If you had bothered to have read my posts FFXI doesnt offer much for me these days, thus I dont care to Max my gear sets, if i get one i do, if not w/e.. .doesnt even matter with how the game is right now.

My point stands with emphasis, in that case.

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(actually, keep posting prz because I think it's hilarious)

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Originally Posted by Natasha

I probably wont EVER get a brutal earring, I simply don't care to get one at this point. Back when it was 75 cap, I might have. If you had bothered to have read my posts FFXI doesnt offer much for me these days, thus I dont care to Max my gear sets, if i get one i do, if not w/e.. .doesnt even matter with how the game is right now.

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This is why we can't have nice things.

loldrk

I wouldnt even consider Brutal "maxing" out. Its like, one of the few things id expect people to have, lol.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

My point stands with emphasis, in that case.

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(actually, keep posting prz because I think it's hilarious)

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If you find that to be of benefit to your cause you are a fool. The whole reason why it doesn't matter is because the game is so easy it can be done without simple luxuries.

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Originally Posted by Kimble

I wouldnt even consider Brutal "maxing" out. Its like, one of the few things id expect people to have, lol.

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yes because you need an extra 5% double attack rate to do things these days... VV?

... I just...


I'm speechless. Again. I literally cannot respond because of how stupid that remark was.

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Originally Posted by Natasha

If you find that to be of benefit to your cause you are a fool. The whole reason why it doesn't matter is because the game is so easy it can be done without simple luxuries.

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I DEMAND THAT YOU IMMEDIATELY REQUOTE ME AFTER FIXING THE SIZE OF MY SMILEY FACE BECAUSE IT LOOKS REALLY STUPID WHEN IT TAKES UP TWO LINES.

A GOOD DAY TO YOU, SIR.

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

... I just...


I'm speechless. Again. I literally cannot respond because of how stupid that remark was.

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Do explain, and enlighten me.

I'll get back to you once I stop rolling on the floor laughing.

Whee, finally finished laughing.

Using VV other than proc whoring (well I guess skillups if you're gimp/on underleveled job) is retarded and you're a gimp hypocrite.

Have a nice day.

I think Natasha was commenting that as concept, the game is too easy and getting the items are no longer giving him/her a satisfaction anymore since it does not provide adequate challenge and no longer "meaningful" as accomplishment. And everything is too easy with the direct teleport since you no longer have to waste 10-20 mnts wandering around between areas to reach your destination. Plus everyone can now have multiple jobs at 95 in a couple of days and hence be useful when they are needed to fill certain roles in events. Not to mention Ground Tome making the grind less of a grind since you get many benefits and random chance to get the exclusive ring for skill ups - and the auto repeat of the pages actually make the old school party very very appealing. He/she wanted the game to the way it was like in 2003-2005 when everything is work and to get anything done you have to tear out your hair and stare at your screen for hours waiting while you manicure your toe nails. To each her/his own I suppose.

The game is way better now since everyone who wants to put an extra effort can now acquire things that used to take years to get and not without the help of 17 other people and a large dedicated LS. Now we all can get the gears we want with minimal fuss, have fun doing it, no drama needed, no BS ass kissing, and clearly no elitist favorites in LS getting everything while the rest worked for them. Now you can get things done with 2-3 other people. And for everyone else who yearn for the way things used to be, there is Logwatch - err Voidwatch.

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

Whee, finally finished laughing.

Using VV other than proc whoring is retarded and you're a gimp hypocrite.

Have a nice day.

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In no sense am I being hypocritical, Im not gimp but going from what the player standard I see what you mean but as I said I havent played seriously for some time now. I don't claim to be some great hardcore player, Im just an fan of how FFXI used to be. You are a pathetic little worm who obsesses over gear and doesnt care to think something through. Good day.

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Originally Posted by Luvbunny

I think Natasha was commenting that as concept, the game is too easy and getting the items are no longer giving him/her a satisfaction anymore since it does not provide adequate challenge and no longer "meaningful" as accomplishment. To each her/his own I suppose. The game is way better now since everyone who wants to put an extra effort can now acquire things that used to take years to get and not without the help of 17 other people and a large dedicated LS. Now we all can get the gears we want with minimal fuss, have fun doing it, no drama needed, no BS ass kissing, and clearly no elitist favorites in LS getting everything while the rest worked for them. Now you can get things done with 2-3 other people. And for everyone else who yearn for the way things used to be, there is Logwatch - err Voidwatch.

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See, a lack of a feeling of accomplishment for acquiring difficult items is only relevant to people who ....



wait for it....





acquire difficult items.

It means jack shit to everyone else. I can see multi-relics being all pissy about how anyone can farm a relic solo in a couple months now. But no-brutal dude? Nah, son.

You can't say "i'm not gimp" then proceed to not have a brutal.

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Originally Posted by Natasha

In no sense am I being hypocritical, Im not gimp but going from what the player standard I see what you mean but as I said I havent played seriously for some time now. I don't claim to be some great hardcore player, Im just an fan of how FFXI used to be. You are a pathetic little worm who obsesses over gear and doesnt care to think something through. Good day.

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Actually I find you pretty hilarious, and haven't had a good laugh all day.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

See, a lack of a feeling of accomplishment for acquiring difficult items is only relevant to people who ....



wait for it....





acquire difficult items.

It means jack shit to everyone else. I can see multi-relics being all pissy about how anyone can farm a relic solo in a couple months now. But no-brutal dude? Nah, son.

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I thought we'd established that brutal was...

Wait for it...

Not difficult to acquire.

And to be clear luvbunny is mostly right, except that its not just gear but the game in general that isnt as fun as it was.

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Originally Posted by Kimble

You can't say "i'm not gimp" then proceed to not have a brutal.

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Uhh, yes I can and I did. Hate to use an internet meme but wth... You jelly? >.>

I thought we established you were...

Wait for it...

A hypocrite moaning about how stuff should be harder to get but can't walk out of their moghouse and acquire easy items.

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

Actually I find you pretty hilarious, and haven't had a good laugh all day.

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You're welcome.

No, you're pretty gimp. I'm reeeeeally not jelly of your Mythril Grip +1.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

No, you're pretty gimp. I'm reeeeeally not jelly of your Mythril Grip +1.

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Oh no I can tell you are! You even mentioned it specifically! You went out of your way for me? You so spice.

For the record, reason I use that is sheer utter laziness but even had i upgraded it you wouldnt agree with the one i would have picked as I don't cookie cutter build immediately like everone else and try to pick up items that compliment what I use as well as stuff for future builds (like your oh so precious double hit)

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Originally Posted by Natasha

And to be clear luvbunny is mostly right, except that its not just gear but the game in general that isnt as fun as it was.

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I think you are one of the few people who equate "accomplishment and satisfaction" as something that takes a lot of time to get and have to go through many hoops and challenges. To be clear, those things are still there, they never go away, certain old school things are still very challenging (not to mention extremely grindy even with the new style of play) - but the biggest difference now, everyone who is willing to put some extra time and work for it, can have them and no longer need 17 other people for this.

For example, old school party is still viable - assuming you can find 5 other people who also want the nostalgia factor. Now it is more appealing with ground tome and auto repeat reward. The mobs are still hard to do for 6 people fighting VT-IT but now, you get more reward xpwise. And you don't really have to deal with congested camp anymore. There are still many viable hunting ground in the old school camp in Crawler Nest, Kuftal Tunnel, Boyahda Tree, Gustav Tunnel, Cape Terrigan, Valley of Sorrow, and Sky. Now you can get there super fast due to direct teleport.

There are now more options when it come to gears - old gears are still wanted - and now more attainable than ever. Trying to parade around in PJ with the "super hard to acquire" gears are no longer seen as "accomplishment" and only available for the few since now every single person who buy and play the game, can get it if they work for it. For me that is a big WIN! You work for it, you can have it.

No brutal

Can't kill Orthrus

Mythril+1

Chiv

Spike Earring


Can't walk to Sagheera or the AH, so you're gimp and lazy, yet say gear is too easy to get, what?

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Originally Posted by Natasha

Oh no I can tell you are! You even mentioned it specifically! You went out of your way for me? You so spice.)

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See, ladies and gentlemen. This is what we call a "Defense Mechanism". While thought to deter heckling and bamboozling, this particular defense mechanism generally has the opposite effect - instead inciting the would-be e-bullies as they pursue a better laugh than they've had all week.

The proper course of action, for those in the audience, is not to deny gimpnosity, but to accept it and live with it. "My Dark Knight is really really gimp, I just don't care any more because I have lost interest in the game". Now that is a sane and reasonable response. I have a lot of respect for someone with the testicular fortitude to come out and say something like that.

This, however, does not seem likely to happen in this particular case. On with the heckling!

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

No brutal

Can't kill Orthrus

Mythril+1

Chiv

Spike Earring


Can't walk to Sagheera or the AH, so you're gimp and lazy, yet say gear is too easy to get, what?

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Eh, i'd just be brewing stuff for gear anyway... which sucks

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

See, ladies and gentlemen. This is what we call a "Defense Mechanism". While thought to deter heckling and bamboozling, this particular defense mechanism generally has the opposite effect - instead, inciting the would-be e-bullies as they pursue a better laugh than they've had all week.

The proper course of action, for those in the audience, is not to deny gimpnosity, but to accept it and live with it. "My Dark Knight is really really gimp, I just don't care any more because I have lost interest in the game". Now that is a sane and reasonable response. I have a lot of respect for someone with the testicular fortitude to come out and say something like that.

This, however, does not seem likely to happen in this particular case. On with the heckling!

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Actually I call it counter-troll or (troll the troll) because having gear or not having it has nothing to do with concept development. Did the dev team have relic weapons and brutal earrings and such when they made the game? I hope so, or the games mechanics might be screwed cause they know nothing if they dont have those.

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Originally Posted by Natasha

Eh, i'd just be brewing stuff for gear anyway... which sucks

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Nah you don't have to brew everything if you want some challenges, and they are certainly doable without brew - every single thing can be done in many different ways now. It opens up different strategy, it gives people some room to experiment and try different atma combination, and if you really know your jobs, some surprising result on what is possible. The game is more fun, and more interesting, and have tons of options and choices - the developer should be able to see this and not brood over Abyssea (cough cough - yeah sorry team Yoshi did a great job - suck on this team Tanaka and man up, step up and actually DO YOUR JOB and fix voidwatch and walk of echoes - we pay monthly fees here).

Here on FFXI there are many paying subscribers who expect result and contents - yet team Tanaka now brood over the biggest success to date when it come to expansion. Team Yoshi now being put in FF14 to clean up the mess that team Tanaka did, and manage to do an amazing job from the look of it. I am not surprised if team Yoshi proposed the reboot to version 2.0 because the mess that is version 1 is simply unfixable in the long terms.

I have a brutal so what exactly am I jelly of?

Suck less, kill Orthrus without needing brew, convert cruor to gil, buy Brutal.

Gear really is too easy to get.

The reality of a player matters in the context of content development because it specifically speaks to how the proposed changes would affect the player proposing them.

In the case where someone without a brutal earring proposes that Relics be harder to obtain (example), people will generally lamblast them because all they're doing is making the game more difficult for other people while having no negative impact on the player in question - after all, 200~ Million gil worth of currency is a lot harder to get than 75 Ancient Beastcoins.

These are what we like to call "Party Poopers". Or, "If I can't have it, NO ONE CAN"s.

These are generally gimp, downtrodden individuals who have never tasted true and lasting success in the game world, and feel that no one else should have it any easier than they did. These people are typically extraordinarily jealous and/or angry about the fact that "Lesser" people are able to obtain the same, or better, gear as/than them.

These people talk about the sense of accomplishment in success and the grind that should be necessary in the game, but they aren't really concerned about other people being able to feel accomplished. All they want is to eventually rise to the top themselves, where no other "Lesser" beings are permitted entry.

Of course, this has never happened for these people, and likely will never happen, so as that reality slowly sinks in for them they become bitter, resentful, and eventually incapable of working towards any goal other than the complete elimination of fun for everyone else in the game. If they can't be the very best like no one ever was, no one can.

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Originally Posted by Luvbunny

Nah you don't have to brew everything if you want some challenges, and they are certainly doable without brew - every single thing can be done in many different ways now. It opens up different strategy, it gives people some room to experiment and try different atma combination, and if you really know your jobs, some surprising result on what is possible. The game is more fun, and more interesting, and have tons of options and choices - the developer should be able to see this and not brood over Abyssea (cough cough - yeah sorry team Yoshi did a great job - suck on this team Tanaka and man up, step up and actually DO YOUR JOB and fix voidwatch and walk of echoes - we pay monthly fees here).

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I know that but i'd end up brewing anyway.

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Originally Posted by Kimble

I have a brutal so what exactly am I jelly of?

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Not having one.

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

Suck less, kill Orthrus without needing brew, convert cruor to gil, buy Brutal.

Gear really is too easy to get.

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Again, not doing is not = to being unable to do.

Actually, Ito was the lead director of Abyssea add-ons who then later was promoted to the lead director of FFXI as a whole.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

The reality of a player matters in the context of content development because it specifically speaks to how the proposed changes would affect the player proposing them.

In the case where someone without a brutal earring proposes that Relics be harder to obtain (example), people will generally lamblast them because all they're doing is making the game more difficult for other people while having no negative impact on the player in question - after all, 200~ Million gil worth of currency is a lot harder to get than 75 Ancient Beastcoins.

These are what we like to call "Party Poopers". Or, "If I can't have it, NO ONE CAN"s.

These are generally gimp, downtrodden individuals who have never tasted true and lasting success in the game world, and feel that no one else should have it any easier than they did. These people are typically extraordinarily jealous and/or angry about the fact that "Lesser" people are able to obtain the same, or better, gear as/than them.

These people talk about the sense of accomplishment in success and the grind that should be necessary in the game, but they aren't really concerned about other people being able to feel accomplished. All they want is to eventually rise to the top themselves, where no other "Lesser" beings are permitted entry.

Of course, this has never happened for these people, and likely will never happen, so as that reality slowly sinks in for them they become bitter, resentful, and eventually incapable of working towards any goal other than the complete elimination of fun for everyone else in the game. If they can't be the very best like no one ever was, no one can.

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I am aware of what you speak but that does not BAR it. For example, say I smoke and you smoke and I tell you not to cause its bad for your health. Well, in that case I would be hypocritical but its still good advice.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

The proper course of action, for those in the audience, is not to deny gimpnosity, but to accept it and live with it.

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See my signature for an example.