Lower The Minimum Level Required To Enter Abyssea from 30-1

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Originally Posted by DrDelicious

jealousy? hardly. id just like to see players um-gimp themselves by seeing more non-abyssea content. atmas have become a crutch, and its becoming a serious problem. the xp boon in abyssea changed xp forever, and even if they took it up to 75, there would be so many players bitching about having to grind they would bring it back down. no one wants to grind, and the people who are saying bring the cap up, are mostly the old school people who actually did have to grind. but it taught you to be cautious. because xp WAS precious. a blm would spend a whole day on puddings getting their buffer back. now, its a 30 run in a dominion party. you die now, no big deal, but it used to be. and thats the problem.

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EXP was only precious if you were a gimp idiot who never got any invites on account of being so gimp.

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Originally Posted by DrDelicious

jealousy? hardly. id just like to see players um-gimp themselves by seeing more non-abyssea content. atmas have become a crutch, and its becoming a serious problem. the xp boon in abyssea changed xp forever, and even if they took it up to 75, there would be so many players bitching about having to grind they would bring it back down. no one wants to grind, and the people who are saying bring the cap up, are mostly the old school people who actually did have to grind. but it taught you to be cautious. because xp WAS precious. a blm would spend a whole day on puddings getting their buffer back. now, its a 30 run in a dominion party. you die now, no big deal, but it used to be. and thats the problem.

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You seem to imply that people arguing against raising the cap never leveled a job without grinding outside abyssea, which is a baseless claim and totally false. I for one am tired of the grind after doing it for so many years.

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Originally Posted by Mrbeansman

EXP was only precious if you were a gimp idiot who never got any invites on account of being so gimp.

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wow, that makes both no sense and is redundant. you fail on multiple levels. and umm, ever play blm before abyssea? if you did, you would know how little sense you make.

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Originally Posted by DrDelicious

wow, that makes both no sense and is redundant. you fail on multiple levels. and umm, ever play blm before abyssea? if you did, you would know how little sense you make.

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Blm could solo reasonably fast anyway, so it was no major loss.

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Originally Posted by DrDelicious

wow, that makes both no sense and is redundant. you fail on multiple levels. and umm, ever play blm before abyssea? if you did, you would know how little sense you make.

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Your right exp was never precious EVER.

Level progression use to be were once you leveled up in a party you would gradually skill up and max out with each passing level. Today level progression level to 30 with maybe max skill level grab some key's open some chest get to around 65+ try to melee find out you can't hit anything maybe once or twice in a span of 30minutes. Then have alot of sugguestion's on making skill ups easier because the lack of level progression to begin with. This is kinda an issue don't you think?

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Originally Posted by Odintius

Level progression use to be were once you leveled up in a party you would gradually skill up and max out with each passing level. Today level progression level to 30 with maybe max skill level grab some key's open some chest get to around 65+ try to melee find out you can't hit anything maybe once or twice in a span of 30minutes. Then have alot of sugguestion's on making skill ups easier because the lack of level progression to begin with. This is kinda an issue don't you think?

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Not really. Skilling up weapons can already be done afk.

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Originally Posted by Ramsos

You seem to imply that people arguing against raising the cap never leveled a job without grinding outside abyssea, which is a baseless claim and totally false. I for one am tired of the grind after doing it for so many years.

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well, how many people sit on their lvl 30 jobs, flags up and get invites for leeching? it doesnt happen on my server, and id like to see those mid levels actually doing SOMETHING, instead of JUST leeching. and short of making all my own abyssea parties, which is a huge pain in the ass, id just like to see some action in the mid levels. and the majority will say, "make your own 6 man party then" well, there isnt 6 people who will take less xp by choice. but if SE gave those mid levels another option, i saw someone mention a low level abyssea area, that would revitalize those levels and probably solve alot of these issues.
i think people want to actually play a job to cap, not play, leech, play. and thats probably what everyone is ranting about.

Look, I level BLM and BLU from 1-75/80 the hard way, grinding through each levels and with Level Sync, spending a week aquiring or farming gil for gear, getting spells and then skilling up before going back into a party only to get about two levels a day, and I started my own manaburns and parties; despite not liking to be leader because starting my own got the job done quicker. But I'm not someone who is bothered by other BLUs and BLMs getting there in two days.

Get over it. There were also people who could have done it with SMN burns. If the cap was raised, then SMN burns would just become more popular gain and no one could try and solo or duo in Korroloka.

to me gunit you sound like a retard with my 2 accounts i have 13 90's and i didnt leech one job to 90. they were all at 75 when cap to 80 came. and becuase your jobs are gimp doesnt make me gimp by any means. i've soloed nm in abyssea that ls's have problems with and killed almost every mob in abyssea with 3 people. i think abyssea is too weak. you know how long it took to solo genbu or serket backin the days. that was a honor. i am one of them players who been playing since it hit america. unlike some of the people who just started playing 2 3 years ago and have same number of 90's as me. i bet you dont even use <stal>

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Originally Posted by rog

Blm could solo reasonably fast anyway, so it was no major loss.

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very true, and i did, alot. and the silly thing was, there would be 4 blms soloing in puddings, none wanting to party up.

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Originally Posted by rog

Not really. Skilling up weapons can already be done afk.

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While in abyssea?

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Originally Posted by DrDelicious

well, how many people sit on their lvl 30 jobs, flags up and get invites for leeching? it doesnt happen on my server, and id like to see those mid levels actually doing SOMETHING, instead of JUST leeching. and short of making all my own abyssea parties, which is a huge pain in the ass, id just like to see some action in the mid levels. and the majority will say, "make your own 6 man party then" well, there isnt 6 people who will take less xp by choice. but if SE gave those mid levels another option, i saw someone mention a low level abyssea area, that would revitalize those levels and probably solve alot of these issues.
i think people want to actually play a job to cap, not play, leech, play. and thats probably what everyone is ranting about.

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I'm sorry you can't find 5 other people in a server of over 3000 people that share your POV. I mean really I would of thought you people who seem to cling to the social aspect of this game wouldn't have such problems.

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Originally Posted by Mrbeansman

I'm sorry you can't find 5 other people in a server of over 3000 people that share your POV. I mean really I would of thought you people who seem to cling to the social aspect of this game wouldn't have such probelms.

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I love you.

As someone who leveled 8 jobs to 75 in a "legit" way, I'm all for leeching straight from level 1. A Level 1 player can spam keys (and be just as useful) as well as a player level 30~75. If a friend wants to come and key on a level 1 job, I'd like them to have that option.

I haven't been on jobs lower than 50 since I soloed Dancer and Beastmaster past there. Barring one party (1.5 levels?) with my white mage, all of my subjob leveling (37-45) was done via Campaign Ops and xp scroll quests pre-Abyssea. If I leeched any jobs in Abyssea, it would be solely for Maat's cap for Dancing Edge on Dancer, and even I don't have that kind of commitment to the job.

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Originally Posted by Mrbeansman

I'm sorry you can't find 5 other people in a server of over 3000 people that share your POV. I mean really I would of thought you people who seem to cling to the social aspect of this game wouldn't have such problems.

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im sure i could, but surfing through the sea of retards and assholes like yourself make it a lost search. so i just lowman everything with my group of competent players and just chuckle to ourselves watching an alliance of you guys struggle.

raise the level cap to 75. it's ridiculous to have released an "Add On" that doesn't so much "Add on" to the game as much as it completely changes what the game is... Before these add ons there was supposed to be 1 thing that was made clear for ANYTHING you did in ffxi like 70% of the time. Rome was not built in a day. Doing quests was going to take time, traveling was going to take time, farming was going to take time, camping NM/HNM's was going to take time, leveling was going to take time. Essentially the point im trying to get across is the message was.. "This game is time consuming", now it's more like, take 2 days to get from 1 to 30 and then 1 day to get from 30 to 90. Brilliant. SE really screwed up with the level cap on this. This update alone has made me second guess even playing FFXI anymore it has really ruined what FFXI has always been to me.

/endwallotextrage

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Originally Posted by Richard

raise the level cap to 75. it's ridiculous to have released an "Add On" that doesn't so much "Add on" to the game as much as it completely changes what the game is... Before these add ons there was supposed to be 1 thing that was made clear for ANYTHING you did in ffxi like 70% of the time. Rome was not built in a day. Doing quests was going to take time, traveling was going to take time, farming was going to take time, camping NM/HNM's was going to take time, leveling was going to take time. Essentially the point im trying to get across is the message was.. "This game is time consuming", now it's more like, take 2 days to get from 1 to 30 and then 1 day to get from 30 to 90. Brilliant. SE really screwed up with the level cap on this. This update alone has made me second guess even playing FFXI anymore it has really ruined what FFXI has always been to me.

/endwallotextrage

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Flagging this as spam since it's off-topic. The other topic is that way. *points to raising the cap*

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Originally Posted by DrDelicious

im sure i could, but surfing through the sea of retards and assholes like yourself make it a lost search. so i just lowman everything with my group of competent players and just chuckle to ourselves watching an alliance of you guys struggle.

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agreed drdelicious half the time you only find retards and they are the one's who are leeching.then you get one leeacher who comes leader and invites all his buddies to leech and at the end of the day everyone is leeching but 3 people.

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Originally Posted by DrDelicious

im sure i could, but surfing through the sea of retards and assholes like yourself make it a lost search. so i just lowman everything with my group of competent players and just chuckle to ourselves watching an alliance of you guys struggle.

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You can, but you don't want to, and because you don't want to, you wish to change the level cap to make it easier to find people to do something they don't want to do?

Epic logic.

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Originally Posted by katori

agreed drdelicious half the time you only find retards and they are the one's who are leeching.then you get one leeacher who comes leader and invites all his buddies to leech and at the end of the day everyone is leeching but 3 people.

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What's wrong with that? If 3 people can kill just as fast as 18 gimps what is wrong with 15 leeches? Stop playing with shitty players. Problem solved.

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Originally Posted by Odintius

While in abyssea?

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http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Zvahl_Fortalice

Think my only issue with is people will only do something if they benifit from it and not just helping out someone for a misson ect. But this doesn't apply to everyone you know who you are :P

It's funny because there's this assumption that the posters here who support this thread are full aurore noobs who wipe to things with 18 people and have level 30 capped skills. I mean really funny, since most of the people supporting this thread are from BG, have been playing for years, and probably have at least 1 full set of AF3+2 or an Empyrean weapon, let alone relic/mythic.

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Originally Posted by Kuishen

You can, but you don't want to, and because you don't want to, you wish to change the level cap to make it easier to find people to do something they don't want to do?

Epic logic.

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no, i want to give the game life from level 30-75ish again, you guys only seem to want to get to cap asap. id rather play a job than leech a job, and thats what im saying.

problem is everyone just wants a maat cap and all they want to do is leech now. why most people only do stuff with friends or ls mates these days. and you think it's fair to the 3 people killing while you have 15 leech lol.

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Originally Posted by Kuishen

What's wrong with that? If 3 people can kill just as fast as 18 gimps what is wrong with 15 leeches? Stop playing with shitty players. Problem solved.

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the problem? those 15 shitty players are usually abyssea only ppl. hence their shitty-ness

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Originally Posted by DrDelicious

no, i want to give the game life from level 30-75ish again, you guys only seem to want to get to cap asap. id rather play a job than leech a job, and thats what im saying.

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Level 30-75 was dead LONG before abyssea... Why are you trying to give life to something that was already dead and the majority of people didn't enjoy?

How about, people who don't want abyssea. Just shout in Port Jeuno for normal parties? I gurantee you, that you can find five other people who want to experience nostalgia and will join you with the proper jobs.

When I see the shouts for Wajoam Woodlands, or Qufim, or Yutunga Jungle. I'm like "HOLYSHITWTFBBQ" *hops on*.

And I also leech up jobs that I want to use for my LS to help do endgame missions/I just want leveled as well.

funny think is i bet most people who just want to leech jobs never even played jobs in kazham at 24+. lol back when you get aggroed by gobs and then pull a goblin train all the way back to the zone.i remember getting lost in that place so much back in the days or when joumy first came out and had to run all the way up there and evoid getting aggroed or falling into them gay ass holes lol. back when you fought joumy and all the mobs around him were it to you. damn gay ass elementals and bombs.

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Originally Posted by katori

funny think is i bet most people who just want to leech jobs never even played jobs in kazham at 24+. lol back when you get aggroed by gobs and then pull a goblin train all the way back to the zone.i remember getting lost in that place so much back in the days or when joumy first came out and had to run all the way up there and evoid getting aggroed or falling into them gay ass holes lol. back when you fought joumy and all the mobs around him were it to you. damn gay ass elementals and bombs.

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This is a baseless assumption. Many of the people supporting abyssea leeching have played this game for a very long time.

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Originally Posted by katori

funny think is i bet most people who just want to leech jobs never even played jobs in kazham at 24+. lol back when you get aggroed by gobs and then pull a goblin train all the way back to the zone.i remember getting lost in that place so much back in the days or when joumy first came out and had to run all the way up there and evoid getting aggroed or falling into them gay ass holes lol. back when you fought joumy and all the mobs around him were it to you. damn gay ass elementals and bombs.

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That is a stupid assumption. I took multiple jobs through Kazham, to 50 and so forth the "old way". Most of the people advocating against raising the cap and are for lowering it are seasoned players. Keep on diminishing your own argument with stupid comments like that though.

funny think is i bet most people who just want to [Raise the level cap] never even played jobs in moon at 70+. lol back when you get aggroed by weapons and then pull a weapon train all the way back to the camp.i remember getting lost in that place so much back in the days or when vrtra first came out and had to run all the way down there and evoid getting aggroed or falling into them [expletive] undead lol. back when you fought vrtra and all the mobs around him were it to you. damn [expletives] undead and bats

Ill do my best to mpk leecher if I get the option to im not there to exp for them!

Which would you rather have, a level 1 who keys chests promptly, or a rabid level 75 Puppetmaster in full AF1?

The first is impossible to have in Abyssea, and the second is waaaaay too common.

To be honest the chest key thing is stupid imo.

i remember when i watched like 5 ls's wipe to bune lol.

truth is doesnt really matter anyways i doubt they change the cap to abyssea anyways. and everyone has their opinions which these chats wont ever change. no job in game is hard to learn or play anymore. game is to easy these days.

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Originally Posted by Odintius

Ill do my best to mpk leecher if I get the option to im not there to exp for them!

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So because you've now lost this argument/have no reasoning for your opinions you're just going to try and mpk people? Butthurt much?

But mpk away, most people have Apoc atma and have infinite rr3.

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Originally Posted by Odintius

To be honest the chest key thing is stupid imo.

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So you support PUPs who are gonna wear 4/5 NQ af3 (Bastion is too hard for pants) at 90 instead of key people?

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Originally Posted by Odintius

To be honest the chest key thing is stupid imo.

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yeah, since that is a job that can easily be done by melee/support jobs. key/leech jobs are not needed.