Treasure Hunter Effect Amongst Jobs

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Originally Posted by Camate

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Exploration of attack aspects
Finally, the current focus of this adjustment was Treasure Hunter and adjustments to attack aspects is a different thing to look into. The equation isn’t as simple as saying if a pet has a high value of TH, then attack power will not be raised, and we will be continuing to make necessary adjustments while making the most of each job’s strengths.

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And what is so high about treasure hunter III for a thief?

Just from eyeballing both TH pets, its somewhat obvious to me that each has its own niche even tho both being TH pets. Both have same TH, one has extremely high evasion and a lower attack than the other (dipper = higher eva) It would make more sense i think to most of us that Falcor would be lowered to TH2 and Dipper to 1. Sacrificing survivability of one pet compared to the higher TH of another. You can toss Dipper on most mobs and he/she is rarely touched, even on EM-VT content it has great survivability aspects, where Falcor gets tossed around like a cheap date on those types of mobs. Falcor seems to have a higher att, better TP moves and a better triple attack rate.

Would is be possible to stick the less survivable pet with a higher TH while sacrificing it's survivability. As of now, the difference between using pets is minimal, TH is the same. If you lower both to TH1, the difference will still be the same. Normally i would personally use Dipper on an extremely hard mob cause TH is the same and he evades more. I might change my mind if falcor had a higher TH. Maybe i wouldn't due to the fact that falcor wouldnt be able to survive the fight and leave me running for my life. Just sayin....

It still strikes me as weird that the Development Bros didn't decide to make higher tiers of Treasure Hunter, and the kill-speed sacrificed to achieve them, worthwhile. This change strongly indicates they're well-aware of how little the higher tiers do.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Faithful Falcorr
Since this is a thief-type pet, many of you were hoping for a strong Treasure Hunter effect and we apologize deeply for lowering the effect. We will be looking into adjustments for Falcorr so that this pet can be utilized differently than Yuly and increase the amount of time it is called for, in addition to the previously mentioned recipe changes.

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Exploration of attack aspects
Finally, the current focus of this adjustment was Treasure Hunter and adjustments to attack aspects is a different thing to look into. The equation isn’t as simple as saying if a pet has a high value of TH, then attack power will not be raised, and we will be continuing to make necessary adjustments while making the most of each job’s strengths.

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These bits are interesting. Considering how little Treasure Hunter contributes in today's heavily !!-focused FFXI, I'd prefer a stronger, cheaper, more unique pet over a pet with more Treasure Hunter.

Of course, what I'm actually going to get is a pet that's 5,000 Gil cheaper per stack and lasts 30 minutes longer than it will ever possibly live. Still, hope was the last thing to climb out of Pandora's box and I like to make it feel special sometimes.

Okay first of all i think i understand what hes trying to say.

The Dev team thought Beastmaster was using THF pets too much and thus turning into a Farming job rather then a "Attacker with Pet" Job.

I would like to know who says what a job cant and can not do in this game, because when Ninja was used as a tank rather then the "Attacker" it was intended to be you guys were so cool with it and embraced the whole concept but now that the player base again chooses a way to utilize a job to best suit their needs you turn into some puritan ideologists.

I mean really? you want us to be "Attackers" but you give us a good for nothing "Mascot" toad that has no real Attack potential instead of a much more needed and asked for Scorpion or Wyvern or just about anything else that doesn't suck.

You want to make us a mascot?
1- Make it so we can call at least that one single pet in town.
2- Make its non-existent Ready moves be some type of pet emotes. Backflip or Croac anyone?

Those two things should make that thing more if not very desirable, you do those things you got a Realmascot.

As for the Attacker thing i really don't know how else to explain it to you guys because its your game you made it so it's hard for me to understand how you can create something like the "Sub Job" system and its mechanics and totally miss the concept of different Pet Jugs being good at doing different things...

I use Falcorr/Yuli a lot because of these simple facts.
1- I need to farm and Treasure Hunter3 is there.
2- I need to kill something and evasion tank is easier on the pocket then one i have to constantly heal for Gil.
3- My job has always been a solo job, so its nice to be able to have the selection of pets with the traits i need for any given situation my job needs to adjust to, Like soloing something but still wanting the drop from it with no BLM proc or THF with TH+7.
4- It just so happens that evasion tanks are better for most things plain and simple. Which is why that tanking job you guys made needs to be looked at.. whats that jobs name... Hmmm.. Ninja... No. is it THF or DRK nope.. Ah yes! its name is Paladin and i think it used to tank decently before Abyssea came out, but now its like an endangered species. {Please check it.}
4- The last thing is a sum of it all really,
Pet that can survive and not get hit a lot = Easy on the pocket.
Pet that can help with the drop rate = Easy on the pocket.
Pet with triple attack that can paralyze and terrorize makes a very good Attacker pet.

So the reason we use Falcorr and Yuli more then any other pet is because being THF pet's they have this neat triple attack thing which squeezes a lot of damage in between attack rounds, they also have really good evasion which makes the jug last longer and the things have Treasure Hunter 3 too! which makes the stupid high cost of them and the fact that my ability to Charm is now obsolete in the areas of Endgame. more affordable, not to mention the fact that i have to pay to heal these things too!!!

Are you going to take Gooey Gerard's DEF away to make Paladin look like a better Job choice...........?

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Originally Posted by SpankWustler

It still strikes me as weird that the Development Bros didn't decide to make higher tiers of Treasure Hunter, and the kill-speed sacrificed to achieve them, worthwhile. This change strongly indicates they're well-aware of how little the higher tiers do.



These bits are interesting. Considering how little Treasure Hunter contributes in today's heavily !!-focused FFXI, I'd prefer a stronger, cheaper, more unique pet over a pet with more Treasure Hunter.

Of course, what I'm actually going to get is a pet that's 5,000 Gil cheaper per stack and lasts 30 minutes longer than it will ever possibly live. Still, hope was the last thing to climb out of Pandora's box and I like to make it feel special sometimes.

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I miss your old signature. I always imagined your taru face on the guy, and that it was that person speaking.

Can we augment balance rings with "Pet Treasure Hunter +1"? Wear two and get th3 again

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Originally Posted by Disifer

Can we augment balance rings with "Pet Treasure Hunter +1"? Wear two and get th3 again

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No, because that would place BST too high on their new Treasure Hunter Hierarchy List. Don't forget it's now supposed to be:

1. THF
2. RNG (Bounty Shot)
3. JOB/THF
4. Anyone else

After the nerf, giving BST even one piece of Pet:TH+1 gear would tie them with THF SJ. Even doing that upsets this list. I can't really see them doing anything more. As much as I hate it, we're never going to be able to earn back exactly what we lost if they stick to this strategy.

It's interesting that Camate brought up other events and said it's not all about Dynamis. So, where, in the devs' eyes was the imbalance? Is it simply the fact that BST had that much TH at all? Were too many scrolls being farmed in Castle O? Were BSTs collecting too many seals in Abyssea? Is it primarily, just not entirely, Dynamis? I wouldn't think VW or WoE would be affected by TH at all since the loot comes from chests. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Is this change coming ahead of future content that will rely heavily on TH?

When nerfs or adjustments are made, it's kinda nice to know why. I know it's not always a good idea to go into detail lest some exploit be revealed, but it's also not good to just say it's for balance.

Since this is being taken from BST, are there going to be any adjustments to make BST more large event friendly or will there perhaps a small boost to our solo ability? Yes, I do have the nerve to ask such things.

Dev team once again proves they're a buncha jerks that can't seem to grasp that the players want to have fun playing - not feel like they're working. Sorry for the adjustment? Psh. Then don't do it.

Here's a idea:
Increase THF damage potential.
Bounty Shot recast lowered.
Sub THF can now proc TH bonus at 50% the success of a THF main.
BST pets maintain the THF AND we'll give Falcor a damage boost.

Problem solved.

Yeah, being nice to the player base is way too hard. Get a friggen clue. I hope the entire team eventually gets canned.

And yeah, this message will never make it to the devs because no one at S-E truly seems to care.

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Originally Posted by Disifer

Can we augment balance rings with "Pet Treasure Hunter +1"? Wear two and get th3 again

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Hopefully it'll be a low damage lv70 axe.

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Originally Posted by Zinato

I miss your old signature. I always imagined your taru face on the guy, and that it was that person speaking.

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I always imagined that Andrew WK was eating Cheetos and Peanuts for breakfast because he was working on the Afterglow trial for his Relic Piano. That made me feel kind of sad after a while, because I like Andrew WK.

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Originally Posted by Catmato

Hopefully it'll be a low damage lv70 axe.

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And I bet they'll rage about the injustice of having to use such a garbage weapon, and then tell the thieves its their problem for not telling SE about the inadequacies of the thief's knife and bst's shouldnt have to suffer over it.

oh .. wait

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Originally Posted by Catmato

Hopefully it'll be a low damage lv70 axe.

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Given that I've seen more than one person wielding the mighty axe of the fabled lizard-warrior Zoraal Ja, I do not imagine even the Development Bros could make a weapon awful enough to negatively affect those folks.

A little off topic but, this seems like a good place to put this:
Sqaure's New Hierachy of TH is THF >> RNG >> /THF >> others now right? Well, it has always bugged that rng was given TH to begin with. SE's logic makes no sense. Why give bounty shot to rng when you could have given it to COR, the PIRATE job. Pirate is related to THF much more than ranger is. Although this is not neccessarily a complaint because if COR got bounty shot, rng would probably have gotten triple shot, and I love my triple shot on cor. Just SE's logic makes my brain hurt. On another note... TH roll anyone?

Because cor doesnt have enough...if anything SE would give to sam first because SE <3<3<3<3<3 SAM

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Originally Posted by Catmato

Hopefully it'll be a low damage lv70 axe.

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This Sentence. it seems familiar to me

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...748#post272748

We think a like.

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Originally Posted by Rohelius

Okay first of all i think i understand what hes trying to say.

The Dev team thought Beastmaster was using THF pets too much and thus turning into a Farming job rather then a "Attacker with Pet" Job.

I would like to know who says what a job cant and can not do in this game, because when Ninja was used as a tank rather then the "Attacker" it was intended to be you guys were so cool with it and embraced the whole concept but now that the player base again chooses a way to utilize a job to best suit their needs you turn into some puritan ideologists.

I mean really? you want us to be "Attackers" but you give us a good for nothing "Mascot" toad that has no real Attack potential instead of a much more needed and asked for Scorpion or Wyvern or just about anything else that doesn't suck.

You want to make us a mascot?
1- Make it so we can call at least that one single pet in town.
2- Make its non-existent Ready moves be some type of pet emotes. Backflip or Croac anyone?

Those two things should make that thing more if not very desirable, you do those things you got a Realmascot.

As for the Attacker thing i really don't know how else to explain it to you guys because its your game you made it so it's hard for me to understand how you can create something like the "Sub Job" system and its mechanics and totally miss the concept of different Pet Jugs being good at doing different things...

I use Falcorr/Yuli a lot because of these simple facts.
1- I need to farm and Treasure Hunter3 is there.
2- I need to kill something and evasion tank is easier on the pocket then one i have to constantly heal for Gil.
3- My job has always been a solo job, so its nice to be able to have the selection of pets with the traits i need for any given situation my job needs to adjust to, Like soloing something but still wanting the drop from it with no BLM proc or THF with TH+7.
4- It just so happens that evasion tanks are better for most things plain and simple. Which is why that tanking job you guys made needs to be looked at.. whats that jobs name... Hmmm.. Ninja... No. is it THF or DRK nope.. Ah yes! its name is Paladin and i think it used to tank decently before Abyssea came out, but now its like an endangered species. {Please check it.}
4- The last thing is a sum of it all really,
Pet that can survive and not get hit a lot = Easy on the pocket.
Pet that can help with the drop rate = Easy on the pocket.
Pet with triple attack that can paralyze and terrorize makes a very good Attacker pet.

So the reason we use Falcorr and Yuli more then any other pet is because being THF pet's they have this neat triple attack thing which squeezes a lot of damage in between attack rounds, they also have really good evasion which makes the jug last longer and the things have Treasure Hunter 3 too! which makes the stupid high cost of them and the fact that my ability to Charm is now obsolete in the areas of Endgame. more affordable, not to mention the fact that i have to pay to heal these things too!!!

Are you going to take Gooey Gerard's DEF away to make Paladin look like a better Job choice...........?

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This explains my thoughts perfectly. Props Rohelius. On top of everything stated I would also like to know why the Beast TH pets have to be nerfed. What was the "Game Threatening" issue the dev team is trying to fix Camate? Tell us Camate the dev team wont mind.... :)

The one thing I never understood was the need for such even balance. And by that I mean all melee are interchangable, all healers and so on. FFXI isn't PVP in the traditional sense and unlike other MMOs players can change Jobs at will. (thats not to say, Oh go level X job for X purpose I know that would be annoying) But, the fact players can pick 2-3 jobs and do just about anything, and rarely does an in game enemy need X and Y exact set-up. (which isn't really balances fault its the devs building a whacky NM) Why is it balance has to be measured by a leveling device?

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Originally Posted by Pebe

A little off topic but, this seems like a good place to put this:
SE's logic makes no sense. Why give bounty shot to rng when you could have given it to COR, the PIRATE job. Pirate is related to THF much more than ranger is.

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The joke during the time this was implemented was that they accidentally got it switched (RNG JA for COR JA, and vica versa)... and afterward just shrugged and left it. /sigh

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

We think a like.

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I think I subconsciously stole it after reading it when it was posted.

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Originally Posted by Camiie

No, because that would place BST too high on their new Treasure Hunter Hierarchy List. Don't forget it's now supposed to be:

1. THF
2. RNG (Bounty Shot)
3. JOB/THF
4. Anyone else

After the nerf, giving BST even one piece of Pet:TH+1 gear would tie them with THF SJ. Even doing that upsets this list. I can't really see them doing anything more. As much as I hate it, we're never going to be able to earn back exactly what we lost if they stick to this strategy.

It's interesting that Camate brought up other events and said it's not all about Dynamis. So, where, in the devs' eyes was the imbalance? Is it simply the fact that BST had that much TH at all? Were too many scrolls being farmed in Castle O? Were BSTs collecting too many seals in Abyssea? Is it primarily, just not entirely, Dynamis? I wouldn't think VW or WoE would be affected by TH at all since the loot comes from chests. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Is this change coming ahead of future content that will rely heavily on TH?

When nerfs or adjustments are made, it's kinda nice to know why. I know it's not always a good idea to go into detail lest some exploit be revealed, but it's also not good to just say it's for balance.

Since this is being taken from BST, are there going to be any adjustments to make BST more large event friendly or will there perhaps a small boost to our solo ability? Yes, I do have the nerve to ask such things.

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I bet if anything the list gos more like this.

1. THF
2. RNG (Bounty Shot)
3. JOB/THF
4. Pets
5. Blue Mage

Since everyone of our tier 1 traits are far from the potency of the real trait values that every other job gets.

well unless se puts out the th pet item with the patch blu will be above pets, and also not all of are traits are weaker att+ def+(lol) refresh triple attack, and even if are th is only half as effective we got a belt with th+1 on it so........ 1.5 th goooooooooo

BST's have had their say.. can it be time for PUPs and SMNs to rejoice now?

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Originally Posted by Camate

※The current focus of this adjustment is for familiar pets, but in the future if automatons and avatars are given Treasure Hunter, we will be adopting the same policy.

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I'm guessing/hoping a Metal Detector attachment for automaton, and Cait Sith for SMN! And that Pet: TH+ is put on an earring slot.

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Originally Posted by Camiie

An issue was discovered in which the Beastmaster job was inadvertently made effective. This issue will be addressed in a future content update.

We apologize for any inconvenience this has caused.

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If I went through and quoted all the silly, complaining, whining, dumb posts in this thread I would be here all week. That being said I honestly hope the Dev team has learned to ignore 90% of the posts on the forum.

TH does not make a job effective. Did no one ever play THF a few years ago? Remember that old "hey go hit the mob and stand around so you dont lolfeedthemobTP" deal they had?

RNG gets its own brand of TH and then can later up the level of TH - Everyone yawns.
BLU gets TH1 from setting spells - Everyone yawns
BST pets get lowered to a base of TH1 with the mention of TH+gear for pets? - 'HOLY SH!T OMGWTFBBQ I AM QUITING THIS GAME SE STINKS BLAH BLAH CHICKEN LITTLE THE MTHFKNG SKY IS FALLIN' OH LAWDY LAWD! SAVE US!'

As if TH was even something that mattered to BST. As if people started leveling BST over THF for TH. As if TH was a focus of BST. As if this is a significant event in the first place. As if Dynamis will suddenly end and be empty without every Perle BST and their mother running around with a Dipper or Falcorr.

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Originally Posted by Sp1cyryan

If I went through and quoted all the silly, complaining, whining, dumb posts in this thread I would be here all week. That being said I honestly hope the Dev team has learned to ignore 90% of the posts on the forum.

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You mean the ones that disagree with your opinions right?

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TH does not make a job effective. Did no one ever play THF a few years ago? Remember that old "hey go hit the mob and stand around so you dont lolfeedthemobTP" deal they had?

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BST is regarded as a soloer. TH makes soloing for gear/items more effective.

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RNG gets its own brand of TH and then can later up the level of TH - Everyone yawns.
BLU gets TH1 from setting spells - Everyone yawns
BST pets get lowered to a base of TH1 with the mention of TH+gear for pets? - 'HOLY SH!T OMGWTFBBQ I AM QUITING THIS GAME SE STINKS BLAH BLAH CHICKEN LITTLE THE MTHFKNG SKY IS FALLIN' OH LAWDY LAWD! SAVE US!'

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I didn't see that post, could you link it for me?

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As if TH was even something that mattered to BST.

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It does matter since it's an ability our pets were given.

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As if people started leveling BST over THF for TH. As if TH was a focus of BST. As if this is a significant event in the first place. As if Dynamis will suddenly end and be empty without every Perle BST and their mother running around with a Dipper or Falcorr.

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I leveled BST for fun and solo ability. When they added pets with TH they added to that for me. Taking it away subtracts from those aspects. Yes having TH and potentially getting whatever I'm after faster is a nice bonus to both.

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Originally Posted by Kristal

BST's have had their say.. can it be time for PUPs and SMNs to rejoice now?

I'm guessing/hoping a Metal Detector attachment for automaton, and Cait Sith for SMN! And that Pet: TH+ is put on an earring slot.

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I'd die from shock if they gave something even slightly beneficial to SMN. I don't know if that's extra incentive for them to do it or not. Good luck to the PUPs though!

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Originally Posted by Sp1cyryan

If I went through and quoted all the silly, complaining, whining, dumb posts in this thread I would be here all week. That being said I honestly hope the Dev team has learned to ignore 90% of the posts on the forum.

TH does not make a job effective. Did no one ever play THF a few years ago? Remember that old "hey go hit the mob and stand around so you dont lolfeedthemobTP" deal they had?

RNG gets its own brand of TH and then can later up the level of TH - Everyone yawns.
BLU gets TH1 from setting spells - Everyone yawns
BST pets get lowered to a base of TH1 with the mention of TH+gear for pets? - 'HOLY SH!T OMGWTFBBQ I AM QUITING THIS GAME SE STINKS BLAH BLAH CHICKEN LITTLE THE MTHFKNG SKY IS FALLIN' OH LAWDY LAWD! SAVE US!'

As if TH was even something that mattered to BST. As if people started leveling BST over THF for TH. As if TH was a focus of BST. As if this is a significant event in the first place. As if Dynamis will suddenly end and be empty without every Perle BST and their mother running around with a Dipper or Falcorr.

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Obviously you do not play BST (or maybe you do but you're clueless), otherwise you would've known why THF pets are so popular among BST (hint: it was because of a certain trait). No, BST aren't going to die because of this, career bst aren't Q.Q'n about this or preparing to quit the game, but do try to realize that nerfing a trait on a pet where the trait is the main reason for using the pet in the first place (warranted or not) is a pretty big deal.

It's pretty useless trying to explain the mechanics of BST to someone who has most likely never touched the job and just seems to have just jumped on the bandwagon of people foaming at the mouth in anticipation of a bst nerf because they think it will clear dyanmis of all the perle/pink BSTs. Take a look at all the level 76+ jug pets BST has access to (~15 of them)... Wonder why you rarely see BST (who actually know what they're doing) running around with raptors, Lizards, Apkallu, lolfrog, leeches, flytrap, Fungar, Eft, Coeurl, Mandy, Fly, Lynx, Adamantoise, ect pets? Because those pets are generally useless. They have no defining traits, abilities and/or have low attack power and they fail to stand out over pets like slug, Rabbit, and Tiger.

The main reason why BST use Dipper, Falcorr is for TH (you would know this if you played BST). Sure, those pets have other uses, such as evasion or wind resistance, but Treasure Hunter is the the main reason to use those pets. If BST didn't care about Treasure Hunter (as you suggested) why the hell would they be forking out 80-100k for a stack of these jugs that sell 15~25 stacks daily? The only other pet that cost more is Adamantoise at 300k/stack and they are no where near as popular (you would know why if you played BST) ...

Top this off with the fiasco of the Jug pet poll (once again you would know this if you played bst) where Scorpion (DD pet) clearly had more votes but Falcorr (who didn't even make the top 3) won the votes any way because the developers either ignored the poll or used some sort of strange counting mechanism to skew the polls so JPs would get Falcorr (THF) which is now being nerfed for the sole reason why JPs voted for him in the first place (ie: Treasure Hunter) Then they turned around gave us a completely useless mascot pet (the frog) and the incredibly weak and useless Apkallu, where a stronger DD/Utilitly pet such as Scorpion, Kraken, Dhalmel, Ruszor, or even Slime (which I'm not to fond of) would've been light years ahead in usefulness even if they were toned down.

Treasure Hunter(I) isn't going to be the death of the BST job, nor do I see career BST rallying with torches and pitchforks Q.Q'ng about how they plan to quit because of this update (Take a look at the BST forum where CAREER bst hang out. ) Personally I do not think the nerf is merited but I do not see it being a big deal. Just wanted to point out to the bandwagoners and the clueless that TH was only a big deal for these 2 Pets, not the BST job as a whole, since some people cannot seem to tell the difference.

hi bst friends, im jpn player ('-')/

Oh my gods, what shall we do for this crazy adjustments?
In japanese forums, over 700+ replies...

"Treasure Hunter Effect Amongst Jobs" written by Mocchi, jpn modelator.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/20369
Too many questions and a criticisms, but only ONE reply from square-enix.

Why we all bsts are persecuted as usual?
I like solo playing and Im an adventurer...

Primel, jpn solo bst... dont have other Lv99 jobs and no abys expansion.
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sorry for my poor english (*^^*)

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Originally Posted by Mavrick

Obviously you do not play BST (or maybe you do but you're clueless), otherwise you would've known why THF pets are so popular among BST (hint: it was because of a certain trait). No, BST aren't going to die because of this, career bst aren't Q.Q'n about this or preparing to quit the game, but do try to realize that nerfing a trait on a pet where the trait is the main reason for using the pet in the first place (warranted or not) is a pretty big deal.

It's pretty useless trying to explain the mechanics of BST to someone who has most likely never touched the job and just seems to have just jumped on the bandwagon of people foaming at the mouth in anticipation of a bst nerf because they think it will clear dyanmis of all the perle/pink BSTs. Take a look at all the level 76+ jug pets BST has access to (~15 of them)... Wonder why you rarely see BST (who actually know what they're doing) running around with raptors, Lizards, Apkallu, lolfrog, leeches, flytrap, Fungar, Eft, Coeurl, Mandy, Fly, Lynx, Adamantoise, ect pets? Because those pets are generally useless. They have no defining traits, abilities and/or have low attack power and they fail to stand out over pets like slug, Rabbit, and Tiger.

The main reason why BST use Dipper, Falcorr is for TH (you would know this if you played BST). Sure, those pets have other uses, such as evasion or wind resistance, but Treasure Hunter is the the main reason to use those pets. If BST didn't care about Treasure Hunter (as you suggested) why the hell would they be forking out 80-100k for a stack of these jugs that sell 15~25 stacks daily? The only other pet that cost more is Adamantoise at 300k/stack and they are no where near as popular (you would know why if you played BST) ...

Top this off with the fiasco of the Jug pet poll (once again you would know this if you played bst) where Scorpion (DD pet) clearly had more votes but Falcorr (who didn't even make the top 3) won the votes any way because the developers either ignored the poll or used some sort of strange counting mechanism to skew the polls so JPs would get Falcorr (THF) which is now being nerfed for the sole reason why JPs voted for him in the first place (ie: Treasure Hunter) Then they turned around gave us a completely useless mascot pet (the frog) and the incredibly weak and useless Apkallu, where a stronger DD/Utilitly pet such as Scorpion, Kraken, Dhalmel, Ruszor, or even Slime (which I'm not to fond of) would've been light years ahead in usefulness even if they were toned down.

Treasure Hunter(I) isn't going to be the death of the BST job, nor do I see career BST rallying with torches and pitchforks Q.Q'ng about how they plan to quit because of this update (Take a look at the BST forum where CAREER bst hang out. ) Personally I do not think the nerf is merited but I do not see it being a big deal. Just wanted to point out to the bandwagoners and the clueless that TH was only a big deal for these 2 Pets, not the BST job as a whole, since some people cannot seem to tell the difference.

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Well played, sir.

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Originally Posted by Kristal

BST's have had their say.. can it be time for PUPs and SMNs to rejoice now?



I'm guessing/hoping a Metal Detector attachment for automaton, and Cait Sith for SMN! And that Pet: TH+ is put on an earring slot.

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SMN is already getting Cait Sith.....at some point.

And at the bold, in short - No.

Finally, people will stop inviting BSTs over THF for treasure hunter. Wait...

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Originally Posted by Mavrick

Obviously you do not play BST (or maybe you do but you're clueless), otherwise you would've known why THF pets are so popular among BST (hint: it was because of a certain trait). No, BST aren't going to die because of this, career bst aren't Q.Q'n about this or preparing to quit the game, but do try to realize that nerfing a trait on a pet where the trait is the main reason for using the pet in the first place (warranted or not) is a pretty big deal.

It's pretty useless trying to explain the mechanics of BST to someone who has most likely never touched the job and just seems to have just jumped on the bandwagon of people foaming at the mouth in anticipation of a bst nerf because they think it will clear dyanmis of all the perle/pink BSTs. Take a look at all the level 76+ jug pets BST has access to (~15 of them)... Wonder why you rarely see BST (who actually know what they're doing) running around with raptors, Lizards, Apkallu, lolfrog, leeches, flytrap, Fungar, Eft, Coeurl, Mandy, Fly, Lynx, Adamantoise, ect pets? Because those pets are generally useless. They have no defining traits, abilities and/or have low attack power and they fail to stand out over pets like slug, Rabbit, and Tiger.

The main reason why BST use Dipper, Falcorr is for TH (you would know this if you played BST). Sure, those pets have other uses, such as evasion or wind resistance, but Treasure Hunter is the the main reason to use those pets. If BST didn't care about Treasure Hunter (as you suggested) why the hell would they be forking out 80-100k for a stack of these jugs that sell 15~25 stacks daily? The only other pet that cost more is Adamantoise at 300k/stack and they are no where near as popular (you would know why if you played BST) ...

Top this off with the fiasco of the Jug pet poll (once again you would know this if you played bst) where Scorpion (DD pet) clearly had more votes but Falcorr (who didn't even make the top 3) won the votes any way because the developers either ignored the poll or used some sort of strange counting mechanism to skew the polls so JPs would get Falcorr (THF) which is now being nerfed for the sole reason why JPs voted for him in the first place (ie: Treasure Hunter) Then they turned around gave us a completely useless mascot pet (the frog) and the incredibly weak and useless Apkallu, where a stronger DD/Utilitly pet such as Scorpion, Kraken, Dhalmel, Ruszor, or even Slime (which I'm not to fond of) would've been light years ahead in usefulness even if they were toned down.

Treasure Hunter(I) isn't going to be the death of the BST job, nor do I see career BST rallying with torches and pitchforks Q.Q'ng about how they plan to quit because of this update (Take a look at the BST forum where CAREER bst hang out. ) Personally I do not think the nerf is merited but I do not see it being a big deal. Just wanted to point out to the bandwagoners and the clueless that TH was only a big deal for these 2 Pets, not the BST job as a whole, since some people cannot seem to tell the difference.

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You really love BST. You know how I know?

No, go ahead, and take a guess.

You seemed to enjoy going on a tangent that mostly was not direct to what I was even talking about.

But, fight on dear beast champion of truth and justice with your over eagerness. By all means paint me as someone who knows nothing of BST and has never touched it. Starting your post off with that really makes me believe you be a very creditable person right out of the gate.

So do we reach the point where we talk about how these forums are about how every job wants everything and to be the best?

Too soon?

[QUOTE=Karbuncle;272916] TH1 is still > TH0, So BST is viable, You'll just get slightly less drops.

This.

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Originally Posted by Xilk

BST pet treasure hunter gear will all come from top tier new Voidwatch of course!

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Please gods no. please make a funky magian trial that involves proccing intimidation on mobs with correlation from pets, or something equally strange and bst-like. things that can be done in the older content areas that could provide accessibility to a wider playerbase. i would put the time in for a th+ piece.

i really dig the idea of something like it for other pet jobs.

I think the pet:TH+ item should be a lv70 weapon with garbage stats other than pet:TH

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Originally Posted by Nynja

I think the pet:TH+ item should be a lv70 weapon with garbage stats other than pet:TH

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And I think you should stop being a butthurt little baby that wants to make everyone else suffer because your job is useless. I seriously do not understand how you have gone years suggesting that every job in the game be nerfed, rather than demanding THF actually be made useful.

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Originally Posted by Nynja

I think the pet:TH+ item should be a lv70 weapon with garbage stats other than pet:TH

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Should have been a DRK.

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Originally Posted by Louispv

And I think you should stop being a butthurt little baby that wants to make everyone else suffer because your job is useless. I seriously do not understand how you have gone years suggesting that every job in the game be nerfed, rather than demanding THF actually be made useful.

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Still upset I jacked a couple of your yellow mobs? BAWWWWWWWWWWWWW

And the irony in the bolded part. The only reason bst got useful in the past 5 months was because of blatantly ripping off thief's defining job trait (AND NO ITS NOT FKN STEAL), and now youre butthurt its being taken away. BAWWWWWWWWWW

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Originally Posted by Nynja

Still upset I jacked a couple of your yellow mobs? BAWWWWWWWWWWWWW

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You Thief, how could yooooooo!!!11 ;(
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THF's need to chill out. It's no other jobs fault that SE are neglecting you.

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Originally Posted by Mindi

I am happy about this change.. i see no reason why BST (or their pets) should have the same base TH like a THF lv 90... (and just because the Pet is a THF dosnt mean they should be like a player THF..)

the number of BST in Dynamis wont change much, maybe the lolperleBST (and those lolauroreBST o.O) wont be so many anymore because they feel gimped, but real BST will still get alot of currencys solo, simply because they can kill fast.

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Thief gets Treasure Hunter 7, Pet Jugs gets Treasure Hunter 3 you think that's not fair?
If you do its not for the sacredness of the THF's place in a party as the Loot Whore, its because gimpy THF's dont want to get off their asses and get those extra items to make them more useful in a party then pet.

So please don't come in here preaching about THF's rights when the reason it seems fair to you is because you or your friends gimpy ass THF in full Aurore and dual Yataghans is being out shined by a pet because your too lazy to get those extra items to make your Loot whore job a little less gimp. here's some constructive info noobs...

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Sozu Rogberry (NM) LVL65-66! Area:Temple of Uggalepih

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Trial of the Magians
Trial 4261 (Upgraded from Raider's Poulaines +1 w/ 6 Jewel of Voyage )


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Obtain 50 Forgotten Touch to upgrade to Assassin's Armlets +2.

You think its stupid that non THF job has Treasure Hunter 3? well then if these jobs /THF and equip this piece of equipment...

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Gold Sturdy Pyxis

Area: Abyssea - La Theine Potential Augments...



HP +3~10
INT +1~4
MND +1~3
CHR +1~3
Gilfinder +0~3
Treasure Hunter +1 :O!!!!!!!!! And BST cant equip :O!!!!!

And these aren't some "Pet's" these are players with TH-2 +1...

If higher tiers of TH were actually worth having, then you'd have a point. Unfortunately, they're not by a large enough margin, and SE deems nerfs easier than actually fixes.

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

If higher tiers of TH were actually worth having, then you'd have a point. Unfortunately, they're not by a large enough margin, and SE deems nerfs easier than actually fixes.

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PROC......