Nerfing Ukko/Vsmite so lazy players can be more useful?

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Originally Posted by Prothscar

That's not the point I'm trying to get across however. My belief is in that this is part one of a multistep process of job adjustments and balance, kind of like they said they were going to do when the cap reached its maximum, which it now has.

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Wasn't referring to you in particular. Moreso Atomic_Skull who's been waving around simpsons memes in every thread he can find since this was announced.

Even if it is part 1 of a process, though, will Blue Mage ever get to be as strong as Warrior? Probably not. In that case, what changes? For the people who care enough to only bring Ukons, they will still only bring Ukons. For people who don't mind bringing an Almace, they'll still not mind bringing an Almace. Status Quo is maintained unless the actual hierarchy is changed in a meaningful way.

You guys got what you want at the cost of not getting a new JA. Do you think it was worth it?

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Originally Posted by svengalis

You guys got what you want at the cost of not getting a new JA. Do you think it was worth it?

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What thread you been reading

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Wasn't referring to you in particular. Moreso Atomic_Skull who's been waving around simpsons memes in every thread he can find since this was announced.

Even if it is part 1 of a process, though, will Blue Mage ever get to be as strong as Warrior? Probably not. In that case, what changes? For the people who care enough to only bring Ukons, they will still only bring Ukons. For people who don't mind bringing an Almace, they'll still not mind bringing an Almace. Status Quo is maintained unless the actual hierarchy is changed in a meaningful way.

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Blue Mage doesn't have to be as strong as Warrior, it's fine where it is. DRG, DRK, etc., however, deserve a bit more, mostly DRG as DRK can somewhat hold its own as it is, though both need a bit of revision.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Wasn't referring to you in particular. Moreso Atomic_Skull who's been waving around simpsons memes in every thread he can find since this was announced.

Even if it is part 1 of a process, though, will Blue Mage ever get to be as strong as Warrior? Probably not. In that case, what changes? For the people who care enough to only bring Ukons, they will still only bring Ukons. For people who don't mind bringing an Almace, they'll still not mind bringing an Almace. Status Quo is maintained unless the actual hierarchy is changed in a meaningful way.

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only person meming is you. This just in, everyone memes amirite. Try to come up with new insults next time GG. You're trying way too hard.

How the fuck is he meming? Lol I doubt you even know what that means.

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Originally Posted by Prothscar

Blue Mage doesn't have to be as strong as Warrior, it's fine where it is. DRG, DRK, etc., however, deserve a bit more, mostly DRG as DRK can somewhat hold its own as it is, though both need a bit of revision.

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My DRG does quite well actually. I'm not winning parses against Ukons but I hold my own and have other tricks that WARs and DRKs don't. I wouldn't turn away any buffs but I have never complained about DRGs place in the game. Jobs shouldn't be balanced by giving them all similar damage outputs. I would much rather have some new abilities that let me do awesome things with my wyvern to balance me out with the raw power of a WAR. If any job is broken it's SAM because it has huge damage potential and the best arsenal of JAs and traits in the game. Luckily a good portion of those are subbable. Take away any 2h DDs /sam and SAM would leave them in the dust.

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Originally Posted by Ophannus

Oh no! So instead of doing 6k Ukko's Fury to Qilin they'll do 3k!

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Are you smoking crack? because only in your dream "AVERAGE" WAR spam 6k. (Sadly i don't even know any one of those to start with)

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Originally Posted by Feliciaa

While I think SE went a little crazy with the Ukko's Fury nerf I do think WAR needed it. I only say this because WAR has access to some really nice +crit dmg gear and really high double attack. So, once you add in both those traits on top of the aftermath WAR's dmg out put seems a little out of hand...

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You mean because war have nothing compare to SAM, but have 1 advantage (Crit DMG WS) we need to nerf it, i see.

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Originally Posted by Xantavia

I think the problem with bringing the rest of the weapons up would have been empyrean becoming the new baseline for DD jobs.

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Of course it is, that the whole difference between having a unreachable RELIC/MYTHIC back in the time, and a reachable Empy weapon, by making stuff more easy, you establish a new STANDARD, and DEV have to create new MONSTER that go with that new standard, making the game even more sad for who have no relic, mythic, empy.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Paladin is still teetering on the verge of uselessness, Corsair desperately needed the buff, and we all know SE rides Samurai schlong.

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Back in 2002~2008, the hate mechanic was working perfect as no one was doing 3~6k WS, it was nice if you could WS for 1k dmg on NM, in general you were able to only do 200~600 dmg, and NM had low HP 20~50k max.

Now is totaly different story, NM have like 150k+ HP, Mele do 3~6k DMG, mele can CAP hate in 2 WS only, making the "Hate holding" impossible, and the only real USE of PLD nowday, is to have someone that will survive nasty move -> Thundaga IV, so when all mele hit the ground, your PLD is still there, but wait a min? That will just happen if he have Aegis, again a new standard that DEV tossed in the game.

So ya, PLD is useful, by time he have ochain + aegis and almace, or just forget the job. [SAD yes, tell that to DEV not to me] But you right, "General/Basic" PLD are useless now.

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Originally Posted by Prothscar

Someone implying that WAR, one of the two easiest jobs to play that even a drunken space monkey could achieve success at, takes skill? Lol'd.

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Are you implying that BST tossing a pet and eat popcorn is harder to play? or the annoyance of THF trying SA and TA a NM that keep moving? Or maybe you talking about DRG that Do DMG and hide in sky to save his weakness from ANY kind of dmg (NM fart, drg fall to the ground..)

Maybe you talking about how HARD is to play SAM hiting 2~3 JA to WS 10 time and Self skillchain, hmmm or how hard is to hit souleater and yell to WHM "SAVE ME! i am an EMO skilled DRK!"

And don't tell me you need skill to play Ranger spamming 1 Macro for RA and 1 macro for WS.

In FACT, you could apply your "drunken space monkey" to any DD job.

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Originally Posted by Disguise

WAR and MNK are the 2 main Damage-Dealing jobs in the game, how can you even believe that nerfing the only 2 good weapon/weapon skills that is a pain in the back side to achieve, will bring balance?

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If that was even true, maybe in abyssea ya.. SAM still have they place, so do most of all other DD job, in fact MNK and WAR been left out in Aht Urhgan and in many other expansion, i can still remember how useless my mnk was before VS, or war before Ukkon, if by balance SE mean get back those 2 job collecting the dust, well i guess that work too and ill go play back SAM onry as it was before.

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anyway i stop reading after page #16... In my opinion, SE is doing a mistake, and is not like i care since i can play SAM again or w/e come back DD #1.

Part that annoying me is this:

-I got able to spam Upheaval up to 8.5k with 2h. [Better dmg then what i saw from Ukkon]
-Ukon + 2h have almost no effect [normal as the Crit rate on WS is already super high]

I do use both WS, Ukon >> Upheaval without 2h, and Upheaval >> Ukon when 2h, What i am worry is how Upheaval might turn WS #1 Full time after the nerf, as the crit will fail more, and i don't call that "BALANCE" when you turn a Empy useless, even if that amuse everyone on official forum.

But DEV never listen, so i am ready to use Upheaval and have my Ukonvasara collect dusk, is not like i even care, i just find this stupid. Just to make this look even more interesting, my Telamon will look 10x greater then shitty Ukon after this update.

LV90 Ukonvasara: 131 DMG STR+15
LV99 Telamon: 133 DMG VIT +11 Phys. dmg. Taken -13%

because in this thread, people will do the 1,500 plate (150m) to get insulted with nerfed Ukon. (Ok ya, keep trolling hard)

@ hate mechanics part: SE has said they don't plan to raise the hate cap from its level 75 state- essentially saying they essentially want all players except for one to hold back to avoid generating maximum hate (which many jobs now have to do)

Honestly, there shouldn't even be a hate cap at all. It should be up to whoever is able to generate the most hate to tank, pure and simple.

So in all of this talk about balance, where's the nerf to SAM and the buff to PLD?

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

lol all these mnk, pup and war crybabies on here...its poetic justice most of you guys was teasing us drks when we expressed are complaints when SE nerfed us into oblivion calling us emo...this is what you get, you guys told us drk is fine and too stop crying now I'm saying war, mnk and pup is fine STOP Crying!!!!

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Mostly MNK and WAR. While PUP is affected, they're still too giddy from all the automaton changes to get seriously upset.

thank god the hate mechanics were fixed in this game back in 2002




wait what?



god you're stupid.

i really think this is the most bitchy and catty xi forum.

im lovin it tbh lol

MEOW

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

@ hate mechanics part: SE has said they don't plan to raise the hate cap from its level 75 state- essentially saying they essentially want all players except for one to hold back to avoid generating maximum hate (which many jobs now have to do)

Honestly, there shouldn't even be a hate cap at all. It should be up to whoever is able to generate the most hate to tank, pure and simple.

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Warrior Tank 4ever.

Enmity Mechanics were built around level 30 players. They were still stupid and exploitable at 75, and at 99 they're just a joke. It shows an extreme lack of foresight on SE's part. Unfortunately, this is a trend in a large portion of game balancing in FFXI in general - Shit is balanced around level 30 and subsequently makes no sense at all when extrapolated up to level 99.

It's almost as if they fired or reassigned the people who built and understood the core of the game before deciding on a terminal level cap - oh wait, that's pretty much exactly what happened.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Warrior Tank 4ever.

Enmity Mechanics were built around level 30 players. They were still stupid and exploitable at 75, and at 99 they're just a joke. It shows an extreme lack of foresight on SE's part. Unfortunately, this is a trend in a large portion of game balancing in FFXI in general - Shit is balanced around level 30 and subsequently makes no sense at all when extrapolated up to level 99.

It's almost as if they fired or reassigned the people who built and understood the core of the game before deciding on a terminal level cap - oh wait, that's pretty much exactly what happened.

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Originally Posted by Kimble

Lol, your rage is so obvious to watch.

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edit: Also, welcome to ignore list. This is how you avoid posters who get on your nerves you guys. Now Kimble and I won't have any issues with eachother! Yay
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Ewww, wtf at that monstrosity of a previous post. I'm horrified.

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Originally Posted by Cream_Soda

Ewww, wtf at that monstrosity of a previous post. I'm horrified.

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I LOVE that girl. She is HILARIOUS.

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Originally Posted by Helel

I don't understand why people care so much about this nerf. War serves a single purpose: to deal damage, which can be accomplished by any number of other jobs. Get off the bandwagon and play a different job for once. Same can be said for mnk.

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Because they're not the best DD in the game by such a wide margin that it dwarfs the Grand Canyon. Make no mistake, their complaints are about ego and e-peen and nothing else.

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Originally Posted by Olor

yeah breaking the job to fix the weapon skill is a little weird

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Yeah after this nerf WAR is going be become the new PUP..

Oh wait no it'll still be the best melee DD in the game so that's wrong.

While you're modifying WSs can you make Camlann's Torment not suck shit? Not that I think these nerfs should exist. But while you're at it.