Hvergelmir WTF SE

Who gives a shit anyway?

At all the events Summoner is useful for, MP is not a limiting factor.

I'm pretty sure a Nirvana Summoner isn't going to give two shits if you can look cooler soloing EPs than they can. Also, for the record, -7 Perp * 60 ticks = 420 MP. Depending how efficiently you can turn Nirvana's Perp into Refresh through gear swaps, you're already much of the way to 900.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

I don't understand what in the world you're saying.

Are you seriously intimating that a Nirvana SMN can't regain 900MP over 3 minutes through Spirit Taker? Is that what you want me to prove?

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As someone who actually used Spirit Taker for 5 years, I *know* it will take you at least 3 Spirit Takers to get 900MP. How do I know that? 1.0 multiplier @ 100% is as effective as it gets (Martial Staff is way better than Nirvana at MP recovery, but we're talking BG-level incompetence). Spirit Taker damage = normal hit + (INT + MND)/2. I was at 220ish (INT + MND) before the release of Myrkr, and the gear hasn't gotten any better. What does a normal hit do? 200-250 damage tops, with a better weapon than Nirvana. That means that Spirit Taker is 300-400 damage now.

So, to get 900 MP and keep aftermath, you need 3 Spirit Takers that HIT and 300% TP garland. You need 600% TP for Nirvana and only 300% TP for Hvergelmir. Possible? Only on your calculators. In the real game, even solo farming, the SMN is going to switch targets every 30 seconds.

Byrth, I know BG isn't accustomed to being schooled, but 900MP/3 minutes counts that perp. Go home.

Melee SMNs aren't as common as what I feel the forums suggest. I lost count of how many things I could get kicked out of on SMN if I dared run up to hit something aside from being inside abyssea doing staff or club procs for red and/or blue. No SMN would also solo melee an actual NM that capable of cleaning an avatar's clock in seconds flat, which leads me to believe a lot of 'dedicated' melee SMN over-exaggerate or I just still suck in the melee department.

Still, Myrkr definitely beats Spirit Taker by a mile. It's hard to compare using Spirit Taker on Nirvana (which I don't know where this argument came from) because it's not obtainable to anyone not 100% dedicated to getting a mythic weapon. Those are VERY few in numbers these days. Perp cost argument to make Nirvana seem great is near moot because with now AF3, perp cost of an avatar is brought down to like 3-4mp per tick, not counting the slew of refresh gear now available.

Hvergelmir only benefits SMN that does extracurricular things of very little merit. Though by that, I mean doing things that other people don't do anymore because there's no "good reward" from it. There's nothing going for it *yet* for BLM or SCH. I'm still waiting to see what 95 emps offer. It's hard to deny too that SE got lazy making the emp weapons as if all jobs are capable of taking a role of DD, even down to giving them all the same aftermath. But I guess at the very least, it gives SMN (and I suppose BLM and SCH) a reason to carry TP wings.

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Hvergelmir only benefits SMN that does extracurricular things of very little merit.

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Who are you to judge the merit value of what other people do?

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No SMN would also solo melee an actual NM that capable of cleaning an avatar's clock in seconds flat

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Such people, as well as any intelligent reasonable person, doesn't do something when it's pretty obvious that it won't work for a given situation. However, in a group with other people, I still keep the weapon handy in abyssea and pop a TP wing to use Myrkr, since it's effectively like having another big Ether and I'd have no other use for the wing other than to proc- which, if someone happens to want it, I will find a normal mob nearby to get TP with, as anyone would.

Most people who have one of these weapons don't just run around and melee everything in sight. They still behave intelligently for the most part and know how to use all aspects of their job(s). They only use their weapon when there is benefit for them in doing so and the risk level is not too high.

In party situations you would want a Smn, you don't want them meleeing, therefore Hverg (as far as aftermath goes) is a boost to Smn in activities they aren't called to perform. Otherwise, it's negligible since you can generate enough mp without using myrkr + forms of regain.

And if all you need is the WS, you don't even need Hverg for that.

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And if all you need is the WS, you don't even need Hverg for that.

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Hvergelmir is actually easier to get than the WoE weapon, if your server is like mine where no one does it, and the weapon boosts the stat mod while the WoE weapon doesn't. If you have any intention of getting the WS, there's no reason not to get the empyrean over the WoE version.

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Originally Posted by Soranika

Hvergelmir only benefits SMN that does extracurricular things of very little merit. Though by that, I mean doing things that other people don't do anymore because there's no "good reward" from it.

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Voidwatch has terrible rewards and is the only confirmed place where the mob isn't zerged or brewed.

SMN is useless inside Abyssea and superfluous for old content not zerged, and?

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Originally Posted by Dallas

Voidwatch has terrible rewards and is the only confirmed place where the mob isn't zerged or brewed.

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Just zerged all of windy yesterday w/ 2 Ukons and 1 Maschu+2

sup

Zingggggg.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Who are you to judge the merit value of what other people do?

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You missed the sentence that came directly after.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Hvergelmir is actually easier to get than the WoE weapon, if your server is like mine where no one does it, and the weapon boosts the stat mod while the WoE weapon doesn't. If you have any intention of getting the WS, there's no reason not to get the empyrean over the WoE version.

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No it isn't.

Coin of Ruin are the most common drop and absolutely no one will ever roll for those coins. Hvergelmir requires a trip to Kukulkan, Sedna and Azdaja.

Coins you'll be uncontested on versus tedious trips to 3 Abyssean NMs for a similar reward (Mykkr). Yeah..

Hell, the trials for the NMs and VNMs are harder than getting coins of ruin.

It is literally the only coin people WANT you to leech

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

Just zerged all of windy yesterday w/ 2 Ukons and 1 Maschu+2

sup

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OMG, check it out everyone! LLH is talking about his Ukon again!

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Originally Posted by Dallas

OMG, check it out everyone! LLH is talking about his Ukon again!

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Is this not the same as you always talking about your Hvergelmir?

BTW anyone actually own the WOE staff and isn't too embarassed to admit it? 7 Hvergelmirs, 0 WOE so far.

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Originally Posted by Kimble

Is this not the same as you always talking about your Hvergelmir?

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Read the thread title. I'm interesting.

Because this is the only thread you've brought it up in, what?

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

Because this is the only thread you've brought it up in, what?

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I sense Hvergelmir envy. Beg GG to fake some numbers to your Nirvana's honor!

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Originally Posted by Dallas

I sense Hvergelmir envy. Beg GG to fake some numbers to your Nirvana's honor!

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Hey Dallas, I just got a Hvergelmir today. Guess what I'm going to use it for.

Why yes, I'm really jealous of a weapon whose WS deals 0 damage and is only usable by jobs that typically shouldn't be meleeing and/or using weapons that actually enhance their job. I'm just greeeen with envy.

GG isn't even on the same server as I am, not sure why you're bringing him up (unless you're part of the conspiracy?). Also math is clearly very hard.

You read the thread, refuse to be competent enough to use the weapon mentioned, and yet still disgrace yourself by posting here. Just so we're clear, this whole Nirvana love is fake, right? You don't even have that gimp weapon, do you?

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Originally Posted by Dallas

You don't even have that gimp weapon, do you?

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Actually, you are the one who doesn't realize what a gimp weapon is, when you are calling Nirvana gimp....

I love Nirvana about as much as I love Twashtar, which is, not much at all. Both are marginal and yet one is still useful in more situations than the other, guess what: it isn't the Empyrean one. Whether it's worth making is another issue.

You're still the only disgrace short of Rosina/Nature/etc.

Of course, I knew you had no clue what you were talking about. No one completes Nirvana, thousands of WS to get to L90 then goes "Ukon WAR stupid" saying SMN isn't melee material. At least you've dedicated your entire FFXI career to being the worst of the worst.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

Of course, I knew you had no clue what you were talking about. No one completes Nirvana, thousands of WS to get to L90 then goes "Ukon WAR stupid" saying SMN isn't melee material. At least you've dedicated your entire FFXI career to being the worst of the worst.

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Fucking lol.

Okay, I think I'm done here. Thanks for the laughs, it's been real.



Real dumb.

Always a pleasure sending KI trash running.

I take that back, I'll have to respond to that one.

I've never posted on Killing Ifrit. Never in my entire history of playing FF, have I even used Killing Ifrit, much less posted there even once.

Seriously, just shut the fuck up you have no clue what the fuck you're talking about.

Just don't think the rest of who own one of these weapons is like Dallas. Most of us have reaosnable reasons for what we do. Dallas... i don't know what his purpose is, to say it politely.

Dallas is the epic troll of trolls.

He makes the rest of the trolls here look semi competent.

All I can say is everyone should stop. If you think a Hvergelmir is worth it, then cool, go make one. If you don't think it's worth it, then cool, don't make one. If you think it's worth it and a friend or ls mate wants one, then cool, go help them make it. And naturally if you don't think it's worth it, then cool, don't help your friend or ls mate make one.

Sick of this pointless drivvel. It's a game, go have fun. If you think it's worthless then cool. If you think it's an awesome weapon then cool. At the end of the day it really doesn't matter because Summoners don't go to events with the premise of swinging their staff anyway, so whatever staff you want to play with in your free time is entirely up to you.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

You read the thread, refuse to be competent enough to use the weapon mentioned, and yet still disgrace yourself by posting here. Just so we're clear, this whole Nirvana love is fake, right? You don't even have that gimp weapon, do you?

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derrrrrrrrrrrrrrp "i think i'm kewl cuz i can hit stuff and make noise" derperpederp

We've established that 6 proud Hver owners are in this thread, one ashamed Masa clone, one idiot Ukon clone, and one anti-Nirvana nobody.

You are outnumbered LLH, derrp yourself.

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

Seriously, just shut the fuck up you have no clue what the fuck you're talking about.

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What is your purpose here, in a thread where the only thing you have to offer is dropping f-bombs like you are 5? Just get whatever it is you are out of this thread and never return. You don't have this gear. You don't want this gear. You don't belong here. Shove off, and take your potty mouth back home to mommy.

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All I can say is everyone should stop. If you think a Hvergelmir is worth it, then cool, go make one. If you don't think it's worth it, then cool, don't make one. If you think it's worth it and a friend or ls mate wants one, then cool, go help them make it. And naturally if you don't think it's worth it, then cool, don't help your friend or ls mate make one.

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I agree with this wholeheartedly. If you want something, you should be able to get it, either on your own or with friends willing to help you, and no one should ridicule you for it. if you don't want it, then just don't get it, and leave the people who do get it alone.

The only benefit of Hver is the +MP for PD.

If "leave the people who do get it alone" was ever in the plan, how do you think your playing experience would have changed Al? You might have been a proud Claustrum owner today. Need to see the artist rendering again?

They aren't here to congratulate you on your weapon. They are here to punish you for going against their "BG decree."

I don't think anyone really cares if you make the weapon. I personally don't. But making false statements and passing off something as a lie, i dont really agree with.

Yeah, no one is attacking Hver, we're just making fun of you so you can make increasingly more insane statements and in turn have you discredit yourself. It's quite easy.

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Originally Posted by Kimble

I don't think anyone really cares if you make the weapon. I personally don't. But making false statements and passing off something as a lie, i dont really agree with.

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Ahh, you see, I don't have that problem. Since I have been meleeing as SMN since 2006, I know which of you are lying and which are just stupid. I don't care who agrees with me, mainly because the only "alternative" playstyle proposed is "play WAR instead." Everything else is unrevokably weaker.

Rearden, if you want anyone to notice you, read more. As I just stated, I know which bucket you are in. They *are* attacking the weapon. They have to, because it clearly is the best choice.

Sounds like you should just play WAR instead