Thoughts on the FFXI Job Adjustment Manifesto

Can you actually get to Lv.95 on the test server? I'd be interested in hearing if Sublimation gets another tic, since it's looking like that's all we really can get this update.
Also, whats the Haste like on Embrava? Or is it even Haste, I've had a nagging suspicion that it could be -Delay, in which case one or two of those Regain tics are possibly there just to cover the loss in TP gain from -Delay. If that's the case I can't say I'm pleased with my Regen V and still less than apt as Tactician's Roll Regain. Not as 2Hour spells, anyway.

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Furthermore with some more help from Google Translate, I was able to see on the forums that a very well-geared JP player was able to do 1.3k dmg with it, so it's not completely disappointing if the DoT is per tick and not once every 10 seconds as with helices.

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That's still disappointing. That's not even tIV damage, sure we can AoE it but I've been hearing 4~6k damage from Black Mages new -ja, so unless the slip damage that they've neglected to add is damn amazing I really am disappointed. These are two hour spells for crying out loud. They cost 30% of our maximum MP pool. What the fuck is this shit? People were pissed off with Odin and Alexander, but at least Alexander did something useful. Another two spells to add to Scholars list of not worth the MP it costs to cast spells.

Yeah you can get to level 95, but the quest for the limit break is in JP so you have to use the Test Server Moogle to manually set your level to 95.

As for haste, I'm not sure how to go about testing for that, but I will try my best. I forgot to mention that Embrava's HP regen is 40 hp/tic, and the spell lasts somewhere around 5~7 minutes and can be used with perpetuance.

By the way, you can use parsimony with both Kaustra and Enbrava and conserve MP can proc. The recast time for each spell confused me because I think they vary by level, but again, I didn't have much time to do all of the testing last night. I will update you guys more later today.

Edit: Turns out HP regen for Embrava is 40 hp/tic. Still only double Regen III.

Well, Parsimony makes it better I guess, Empyrean legs practically gives up Manafont and at least Stratagem use doesn't particularly matter under Tabula.

Still, can't say I'm pleased. When people have been asking for a Curative Helix - which would do at least 100HP/tic - and under 2Hour we only get 36HP/tic? Yeah.... Not looking hopeful right now. These might as well be under Addendum for all I can tell. Sure they're slightly overpowered in regards to other spells, but Stratagem use is going to matter without Tabula so theres the massive drawback. They are no where near the level of Odin or Alexander, so I cant really see why they're 2Hour only.

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Originally Posted by Eric

Yeah you can get to level 95, but the quest for the limit break is in JP so you have to use the Test Server Moogle to manually set your level to 95.

As for haste, I'm not sure how to go about testing for that, but I will try my best. I forgot to mention that Embrava's HP regen is 40 hp/tic, and the spell lasts somewhere around 5~7 minutes and can be used with perpetuance.

By the way, you can use parsimony with both Kaustra and Enbrava and conserve MP can proc. The recast time for each spell confused me because I think they vary by level, but again, I didn't have much time to do all of the testing last night. I will update you guys more later today.

Edit: Turns out HP regen for Embrava is 40 hp/tic. Still only double Regen III.

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Does Embrava stack with Adloquium, Haste and Regen? If so, given its use under TR, we could also apply those three for a total of 63 HP (?), 5 TP, and extra Haste. I'm still underwhelmed for a 2-hour even if it does stack. If it doesn't stack, I'm exiling Embrava to lolLand with nearly everything else 76-90. Also, is the 5-7 minutes with perpetuance or without? I.E. are we looking at 12.5-17.5 minutes functionally?

The 1358 number seems like what you'd get with MAB atma and some high INT/MAB accessories over just your AF3+2 numbers. What would sell Merton to me as a 2-hour would be triple that, and a faster tick than helices. The fact that it isn't giving a DoT is disturbing, if not a bug, since it was highlighted as a major feature and anticipated for pearl farming. Please not another overpromise, underdeliver occasion for SCH - I'm seriously at my limit.

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OK I'm going to reserve judgment for a while. This post is showing very different Merton numbers, with atma, and a DoT effect:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...austra-Testing

Either they're changing this with patches or it's buggy. That post sounds a lot better.

On alla they said Embrava is 38 regen, 4 regain, and around 33% haste, with a 5 min duration. If that's the case... I think the spell is pretty good. On top of that, it seems like it has its own icon, meaning that it stacks with other buffs, namely normal haste. That means 12.5 mins of very buffed melees, which is really nice for fights that can't be zerged but benefit from increased damage output. Let's say it's only 30% haste, that plus 15% haste spell plus 25% haste from gear is 70% haste, plus Hasso or Haste Samba (Hasso more realistic in the situations you'd 2Hr) is capped haste for a LOT of time. Yeah, yeah, BRD can get to I think 23% haste without 2H with two songs... But it gives us a decent niche in tough NMs.

Kaustra on the other hand... ;_; With magian staff, good atmas and good nuking gear it should do at least 6k per mob per cast to be worthwile.

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Originally Posted by Merton9999

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OK I'm going to reserve judgment for a while. This post is showing very different Merton numbers, with atma, and a DoT effect:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...austra-Testing

Either they're changing this with patches or it's buggy. That post sounds a lot better.

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I'm curious to see this guy's gear. I've asked several other SCH that were online, but none of them have reported those high numbers.

To be fair, none of those people play SCH as their main job at level 90(including me, the last time I played SCH 90 was before I deleted my old char), so I think it may all have to do with equipment/atma.

EDIT: By comparison, my gear is at the point where it is doing 1800~2000 dmg with Blizzard V and Fire V on Flamingos in Tu'Lia, while Kaustra was still doing the same amount of damage. It's probably highly dependent on MAB or something, because I cap out at around the same damage no matter what mob I use it on.

http://i52.tinypic.com/qqzl6p.png

EDIT #2: Here is a picture of Kaustra on Flamingos, and of another SCH telling me how much damage he was able to do.

http://i51.tinypic.com/30l0w83.png

EDIT #3: Embrava seems to give 30% haste and doesn't affect TP gained (therefore it's not just weapon delay reduction). It also stacks with Adloquium and Haste. Not sure if it counts for the magic haste cap.

http://i54.tinypic.com/2d7zj3k.png <-(Hearing this comment from a JP nearly made me spit my water out)

Edit #4: Kaustra doesn't work with Immanence. You can, however, magic burst it. Also, it wears off when you die. . . Hopefully the translation team will fix the text.
http://i55.tinypic.com/dg1lq8.png (The Flamingo is no longer Kaustra.)
http://i56.tinypic.com/wclaox.png (Immanence X)
http://i56.tinypic.com/b6amb8.png (Magic Burst O)

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Originally Posted by TimeMage

On alla they said Embrava is 38 regen, 4 regain, and around 33% haste, with a 5 min duration. If that's the case... I think the spell is pretty good. On top of that, it seems like it has its own icon, meaning that it stacks with other buffs, namely normal haste. That means 12.5 mins of very buffed melees, which is really nice for fights that can't be zerged but benefit from increased damage output. Let's say it's only 30% haste, that plus 15% haste spell plus 25% haste from gear is 70% haste, plus Hasso or Haste Samba (Hasso more realistic in the situations you'd 2Hr) is capped haste for a LOT of time. Yeah, yeah, BRD can get to I think 23% haste without 2H with two songs... But it gives us a decent niche in tough NMs.

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I'm making the assumption that this counts against your magic haste, in which case it caps at just over 43%. It's better then nothing, and I'm hoping it ends up being better then it looks on paper.

Just checked on the test server it appears all jobs get Klimaform if they're /SCH surely as it's SCH's artifact weapon (so to speak) it should be blocked..

Would you report that in the Test Server bugs section?

I don't think it's a bug.

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Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher

Just checked on the test server it appears all jobs get Klimaform if they're /SCH surely as it's SCH's artifact weapon (so to speak) it should be blocked..

Would you report that in the Test Server bugs section?

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Somehow i'm not surprised.

I'm glad to hear the guy who designed Adloquium is still hard at work on Scholar spells and abilities. This is because I suspect he would have a lot of trouble finding other work given his crippling fear of large numbers and the hatred for all mankind that he expresses in his work, but I'm still happy for him.

Embrava is better than I expected in regards to Haste, and as mediocre as expected in all other regards. I love that it's exactly one more HP a tick than an optimal Regen IV. It lets you sit in for a Bard during a zerg, so I suppose that's something.

Did a quick test before bed, dunno about kaustra - damage doesn't seem too impressive but main thing I noticed was I didn't see any slip damage on 2 out of 3 casts. Glitch, added effect chance, or inattentiveness I suppose.

For embrava I got something like 39/tick regen 4/tick regain, didn't test haste but this thread

http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/24...straembrava/1/

seems to claim ~16% haste, so I don't know who's right about that at the moment.

Happier with blizzard v than kaustra right now.

It's definitely 30% haste. I only posted a few screenshots, but i asked several scholars, and I did several (naked) tests involving reraise III, and whacking flamingos with a staff. The real question is whether or not it counts towards the magic haste cap.

If it depends on maximum MP as some tests have implied, maybe the lower maximum MP the Scholar in the FFXIAH tests possessed due to being weakened affects the potency of the Haste?

30% is a huge number, effectively what Bard can provide with Soul Voice, so I think it's a safe assumption that Embrava will be subject to the magic haste cap. It will be very cool if it's not, but I'd be shocked.

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Originally Posted by SpankWustler

If it depends on maximum MP as some tests have implied, maybe the lower MP due to being weakened affects the potency of the Haste?

30% is a huge number, effectively what Bard can provide with Soul Voice, so I think it's a safe assumption that Embrava will be subject to the magic haste cap. It will be very cool if it's not, but I'd be shocked.

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Oh no no. I didn't mean that I used Reraise III because I died. I meant that I used it because it's a long-recast spell that I can cast repeatedly without much trouble. I compared the recast times with and without embrava to help determine the amount of haste it gives. That combined with the weapon delay testing I did is what led me to agree with everyone else in saying that it's 30% haste.

Also, there's a big possibility that MP may have an impact on embrava's potency, because I've seen varying numbers for the HP regen.

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Originally Posted by Eric

Oh no no. I didn't mean that I used Reraise III because I died. I meant that I used it because it's a long-recast spell that I can cast repeatedly without much trouble. I compared the recast times with and without embrava to help determine the amount of haste it gives. That combined with the weapon delay testing I did is what led me to agree with everyone else in saying that it's 30% haste.

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Sorry for the confusion. I was referring to the FFXIAH tests that were done using Reraise III while weakened (and resulted in 15~16% Haste), but I was half-asleep and didn't specify that.

After some reraise casting I agree with the ~30% haste, though I got two different recasts (43 seconds and 48 seconds) so not sure where the variance comes in. Also it definitely stacks with haste spell (35 second recast)

Here are a couple of things related to Kaustra that you all have been quickly trying out on the test server.

• Kaustra’s DoT effect is not activating
This was listed in the confirmed bugs on the test server, but we confirmed that if Kaustra is used on an unclaimed monster (yellow name), a problem occurs where the damage over time will not activate. We are planning to fix this.

Make sure that when you change your level or jobs via the =TEST= Moogle GM in your mog house that you check to make sure your skill levels are raised.

When job changing via the Moogle GM, depending on the job combination you select, there are cases where the maximum skill will not be set properly.*

*Specifically, when the job your are changing into does not have the same skills as the previous job, the skill value will not be set properly.

Since Kaustra’s damage over time effect duration depends on your dark magic skill, if it is zero it will deal no damage over time.

In order to avoid any confusion, when job changing at the Moogle GM please make sure to reset your level once again. This will ensure that your job has the maximum skill values (blue numbers).

• Kaustra isn’t dealing damage
Kaustra was designed with the idea that it deals initial damage plus damage over time, but for the initial damage, INT plays more of a role as a damage modifier than magic attack bonus, making the spell stronger.

If you feel like that initial hit isn’t dealing much damage, make sure to check your equipment. As stated above, don’t forget to check you dark magic skill!

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Originally Posted by Camate

Here are a couple of things related to Klaustra that you all have been quickly trying out on the test server.

• Klaustra’s DoT effect is not activating
This was listed in the confirmed bugs on the test server, but we confirmed that if Klaustra is used on an unclaimed monster (yellow name), a problem occurs where the damage over time will not activate. We are planning to fix this.

Make sure that when you change your level or jobs via the =TEST= Moogle GM in your mog house that you check to make sure your skill levels are raised.

When job changing via the Moogle GM, depending on the job combination you select, there are cases where the maximum skill will not be set properly.*

*Specifically, when the job your are changing into does not have the same skills as the previous job, the skill value will not be set properly.

Since Klaustra’s damage over time effect duration depends on your dark magic skill, if it is zero it will deal no damage over time.

In order to avoid any confusion, when job changing at the Moogle GM please make sure to reset your level once again. This will ensure that your job has the maximum skill values (blue numbers).

• Klaustra isn’t dealing damage
Klaustra was designed with the idea that it deals initial damage plus damage over time, but for the initial damage, INT plays more of a role as a damage modifier than magic attack bonus, making the spell stronger.

If you feel like that initial hit isn’t dealing much damage, make sure to check your equipment. As stated above, don’t forget to check you dark magic skill!

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What about Klimaform as it's an AF(weapon/spell) will it be blocked from sub-jobbing /sch as in the test server it is not currently.

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Since Klaustra’s damage over time effect duration depends on your dark magic skill, if it is zero it will deal no damage over time.

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Two things:
1) Is there a cap on the number of tics for Klaustra or are we free to just stack a godly amount of dark magic skill for better results?
2) When do the devs plan on adjusting Helices to have a number of tics based on elemental magic skill? Honestly, a toss up between stacking INT and skill is a really attractive idea, considering skill is a complete joke in this day and age. Would effectively hush any complaints at a lack of tII Helices post 75, too. Throw that at the Healing Helix idea and for once in this game healing magic skill isn't completely worthless.

Also, did anyone check to see if base Sublimation is 2HP -> 8MP at Lv.95 yet?

Thanks Camate! Considering that, did a quick one shot kaustra in sea on an ul'aern, 881 damage with weather, obi, twilight cape, plutos, mostly int gear, dark neck.

Did about 24% hp damage, damage from dot took the 76% remaining, didn't think to time it.

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Also, did anyone check to see if base Sublimation is 2HP -> 8MP at Lv.95 yet?

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Easiest way to test that?

Based on charging time I'd say yes? 2minutes 34 seconds @90, 2 minutes 19 seconds @95

I did a couple tests with Sublimation at 95 using no gear.

Starting HP: 1338
First use: Had 1316 HP after, MP restored: 96.
Second use: 1316 -> 1296 HP, MP restored: 88.

It appears to have indeed reached a new tier.

This puts sublimation on a level higher than refresh 2. If you have a max HP of ~1100 and have sublimation merits(since nothing else is really worth it at this point), you will regain about 325 mp per 2:30(it takes 2 minutes for sublimation to charge, 30 seconds before you can use it again). That's 25 more mp than refresh II when cast on you, and 85 more mp than when a RDM casts refresh II on themselves. When compared to composure refresh II it also gives 75 more mp than when a rdm casts it on you, and 155 more mp than a rdm casting it on themselves. All of this math doesn't take into account sublimation+ gear.

I have class right now, so I can't really double check my work, but if sublimation was upgraded from 7 to 8, it's just another thing to look forward to with this update.

Don't know why I added an "L" to Kaustra...fixed. My bad.

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Originally Posted by Eric

This puts sublimation on a level higher than refresh 2. If you have a max HP of ~1100 and have sublimation merits(since nothing else is really worth it at this point), you will regain about 325 mp per 2:30(it takes 2 minutes for sublimation to charge, 30 seconds before you can use it again). That's 25 more mp than refresh II when cast on you, and 85 more mp than when a RDM casts refresh II on themselves. When compared to composure refresh II it also gives 75 more mp than when a rdm casts it on you, and 155 more mp than a rdm casting it on themselves. All of this math doesn't take into account sublimation+ gear.

I have class right now, so I can't really double check my work, but if sublimation was upgraded from 7 to 8, it's just another thing to look forward to with this update.

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Only downside.... It's not instant like Refresh II.

It's a double-edged sword, because with Refresh, if you have full MP, it's just going to waste, but sublimation can hold that extra MP until you need it. On the other hand, with sublimation if you really need MP, but it's not completely charged, you're also wasting MP(by stopping its effects for the 30 seconds until you can reuse the ability).

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Originally Posted by Camate

Don't know why I added an "L" to Kaustra...fixed. My bad.

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Kaustra
Claustrum.

KLAUSTRA(m)

Thats my guess.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

Kaustra
Claustrum.

KLAUSTRA(m)

Thats my guess.

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Haha, yeh I think that's actually it. Derp :/

I ran a test myself on sublimation and came to the same conclusion of a new tier@level 95. I had the same 88 MP return after the initial 30 seconds until the recast is back at 0.
In my idle gear it caps at 350ish for me (Taru + Sublimation Merits) and takes about 1 minute and 33 to 36 seconds to be fully charged fulltiming AF Hat, Relic Body and Savant's Earring.

With four pieces with an enhancing effect for sublimation we can reach a 6hp/tick = 12mp/tick @95.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Haha, yeh I think that's actually it. Derp :/

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Its the first connection i made :X

Great minds think alike!

Looks like Sublimation is 8MP per tick now, after a 30 second charge and 22 HP loss I got 88 HP from Sublimation, that's pretty amazing and makes it better than Refresh II(60MP in 30 seconds), not even counting Sublimation gear.

Sotek that is a nice pic frame ^^ & great ideas that gives bonus too players instead of nerfs i support!

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

Great minds think alike!

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And fools rarely differ!
Sorry... couldn't resist. ^^;


On another note... I do wish they had gone with Merton, really. Would have been a nice 'touch'.

Enbrave or whatever is enhanced by enhancing? is this true? I read it somewhere as a theory but i since lost where i had read that. Has anyone done testing? could give reason as to why i keep seeing different haste values for it.

Hi people, haven't really posted before, usually just read. XD Anyways, wondering if anyone else has had Kaustra completely resisted by a monster? Something along the lines of "<target> resists(or resisted) Kaustra." Happened to me when I tried it on the magic pot enemies in Ru'Aun Gardens yesterday... Didn't cause any damage at all that time. ; ;

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Originally Posted by Sotek

Two things:
1) Is there a cap on the number of tics for Klaustra or are we free to just stack a godly amount of dark magic skill for better results?
2) When do the devs plan on adjusting Helices to have a number of tics based on elemental magic skill? Honestly, a toss up between stacking INT and skill is a really attractive idea, considering skill is a complete joke in this day and age. Would effectively hush any complaints at a lack of tII Helices post 75, too. Throw that at the Healing Helix idea and for once in this game healing magic skill isn't completely worthless.

Also, did anyone check to see if base Sublimation is 2HP -> 8MP at Lv.95 yet?

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Like to quote this since it seems it has been missed talking about how to spell a name of a spell.

Like to quote this since it seems it has been missed talking about how to spell a name of a spell.

I like to add we need better spell progress, why are jobs getting to sub our weather spells and we are stuck on the same spell as a main? Make all level 1 weather spells subable and make weather II spells? Game needs better spell progress then it has. I made a lot of posts explaining why but here I will keep on the SCH subject.

Why are we stuck on same cure spells off sub too? Why is healing magic, elemental magic, and divine skill at this point so useless?

Bit off subject but it can go with how enhancing magic skill is hell right now. How come skill up gains does not match level progress? It is still too slow. When we leveled slower in 2003-2005 it was easy to keep capped doing your job, why is it different now? Cluttering inventory with food and gear for faster skill ups is not a fix.

I have 19 jobs at 90 and did lots of events, EXP doing nothing for 5 or so months now 20/20 9999 limit points and I am still not capped in a lot of skills. That did not happen back in 2005

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Originally Posted by Melraen

Hi people, haven't really posted before, usually just read. XD Anyways, wondering if anyone else has had Kaustra completely resisted by a monster? Something along the lines of "<target> resists(or resisted) Kaustra." Happened to me when I tried it on the magic pot enemies in Ru'Aun Gardens yesterday... Didn't cause any damage at all that time. ; ;

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Pots do that move that prevents all magic damage, something like "magic barrier." I would bet that's what happened, because magic damage usually isn't totally resisted, just reduced.

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Originally Posted by Ahrana

Pots do that move that prevents all magic damage, something like "magic barrier." I would bet that's what happened, because magic damage usually isn't totally resisted, just reduced.

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Oooooh, wow... Obviously I haven't fought them often enough! /blush Feeling kinda silly now! Thanks for clearing that up! ^^

kaustra durations: no arts up 1:39.45(give or take a second or two); 310 dark skill; 1026 initial damage; 244 int

dark arts up 2:00.63(this one was pretty spot on); 410 skill; 974 initial; 224 int

looks like skill would be the better option on mobs with higher hp if you are trying to counteract a regen trait or just kill it quicker.

skill set consisted of af1 body, af+1 legs, dark torque and merciful cape.