They started by increasing exp in old areas. Now just add exp chests and it will push people to lower areas too. I do agree that abyssea should be 70+ leeching is not the way forward.
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03-10-2011, 10:44 AMMasekase
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03-10-2011, 10:46 AMCream_Soda
27 ppl in qufim on my server, 31 in valk dunes, 11 in Yuhtunga Jungle and 2 pts in east ronf s
Very limited options? Exaggerate much? -
03-10-2011, 10:51 AMGreatguardianThat's more parties than I was seeing on Cerberus in 2009.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cream_Soda
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03-10-2011, 11:09 AMAvinaPretty positive that was my first post so I am not quite sure where the 'make up your mind' came from. But since you are being such a troll about it, I don't think it should be too difficult of a concept to grasp that Abyssea burns can make some bad players AND also make it very difficult for new players to get going. The two are not mutually exclusive. Maybe the situation is better on your server and if so I am gladsince mine is in line for a world merger.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cream_Soda
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03-10-2011, 11:09 AMCream_SodaGonna stop you right there. I wasn't even talking to you.Quote:
Pretty positive that was my first post so I am not quite sure where the 'make up your mind' came from.
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03-10-2011, 01:26 PMUnaisisVery much indeed so~Quote:
Originally Posted by Kuishen
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03-10-2011, 01:28 PMAlhanelem
If you don't like someone for leeching, then don't play with them. Simple as that. Leave the people who choose to do it alone.
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03-10-2011, 03:09 PMDubberruckyI assume you were talking to me but you wrote that because I agreed with her so yes you were even though you obviously did not notice. So apparently its a personal issue with someone that will never play with you instead of an issue of differing opinions for you. Thanks for clearing that up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cream_Soda
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03-10-2011, 03:27 PMCream_Soda
I was talking to you, not her and yes, it was because you agreed with her.
By agreeing with her, it went from you complaining about people doing it, to you complaining about people not being able to do it.
So, no, I was in no way shape or form talking to him/her. The post was 100% directed towards you.
It had nothing to do with not noticing. I knew exactly who I was talking to. There was no mistake.
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03-10-2011, 03:31 PMCream_SodaAlso false, while your skill wasn't noteworthy enough to remember among the mass number of people I've partied or done random things with, your name does stick out. We've done something together before. You're on my server.Quote:
So apparently its a personal issue with someone that will never play with you instead of an issue of differing opinions for you.
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03-10-2011, 03:34 PMDubberruckyWrong again I did not change my point in the least, yet again you miss the point at all. It affects them in a negitive way not "ooooh yeah they should totally be able to do it". If they burn they end up like crap and you are telling them to burn so they can have a worthless 90 that will get kicked from any decent party so honestly read before you respond.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cream_Soda
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03-10-2011, 03:35 PMCharismaticWell, to be fair... you have to account for the fact that some of those people in qufim and valkurm are just idling for or after having finished abyssea related things. Unless you took levels into account when pulling those numbers, then ignore this post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cream_Soda
There's people out there leveling, sure... but it's only a handful. Makes it tough for people like the OP, but hey... what can you do about it, right? Whining sure isn't gonna help, I know that much. -
03-10-2011, 03:36 PMGreatguardianI'm so sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cream_Soda
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03-10-2011, 03:36 PMCream_SodaAgain wrong.Quote:
If they burn they end up like crap
1. Burning =/= crap.
2. Killing [insert mob here] for 1000 hours =/= good.
3. Research your job and learn the mechanics behind the game and be able to apply them = good.
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03-10-2011, 03:40 PMDubberrucky
Sorry I don't remember you at all but maybe you use a different name on the forums. Typically I would simply leave a party with viewpoints like yours. You are just not the type of person I prefer to play with.
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03-10-2011, 03:41 PMCream_Soda
omg you party in abyssea?!?!
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03-10-2011, 03:53 PMDubberruckyDoes this refer to me? Well if it does yes I do. I actually like Abyssea a lot just not what having the entrance level set so retarded low has done to the game I loved. Especially when they have already increased the exp you get outside its silly to me to have it remain that low.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cream_Soda
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03-10-2011, 03:57 PMCream_Soda
Increased exp outside just gives them more options. It doesn't mean it should be the only option.
There's diff tiers of leeching. The ones willing to work for it and the ones who are 100% lazy.
The people who make their own pts will still be fine.
The ones who /shout "{Key} {Master} {Do you need it?}" and never get a pt because they're too lazy to get their own can now flag up and hope someone will invite them because they're certainly not going to be making their own pts outside either, lol.
Reminds me of back in the day
"omg I've had my flag up for 4 hrs and not gotten an invite"
"Well have you tried to make a pt"
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03-10-2011, 04:01 PMDubberruckyPlease do not try to pass your opinion off as fact. I have never represented anything I said as fact merely opinion and it is my right as well as yours to do so. His viewpoint was what he posted and my choice not to play with certain types of people are facts. The only FACT in your post is an insinuated one that "I, Dubberrucky think aby burned jobs are garbage" that is a fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kuishen
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03-10-2011, 04:02 PMDubberruckyNP already done that twice BLM and BST and even if I had not I still would not shut up simply because someone only wants one viewpoint to be heard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kuishen
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03-10-2011, 04:03 PMCream_Soda
Well it is true. Burning doesn't make you bad at the job. Being a bad player makes you bad at the job.
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03-10-2011, 04:04 PMKuishen
Except what I am stating is indeed a fact. Skill level has NOTHING to do with how you get your job to cap.
The fact that you think it does only reveals that you know nothing about the game and how it works.
Done posting in this thread, was stupid in the first place and the fact that it's 23 pages long is a testament to why these forums are a horrible idea.
EDIT: So based on your reasoning, you were awesome at BST and BLM by the time you hit 75? I have extreme doubts of that based on the level of intelligence represented in your posts. -
03-10-2011, 04:09 PMCream_Soda
I think what's being misunderstood here is that players who don't skill up and gear properly after burning a job is someone who would have been bad at the job anyways, even if they leveled "regularly".
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03-10-2011, 04:13 PMDubberruckyYou may actually have a point there even though I do not agree with it with the sheer numbers of lazy players who have come out of the woodwork since aby release but then again that's because there is no way to prove that at the current time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cream_Soda
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03-10-2011, 04:16 PMCream_Soda
They've always been there.
Depending on the server, 6-8/10 of the players on the server (when you count all players) are lazy and underskilled at their jobs.
Now of those 6-8, roughly half of them are going to be really horrible and the other half is what you'd call your average player. Who has a basic grasp of their job, and not bad at it, but also not what you'd call "good". (like the whm who doesn't pay attention and you have to ask for debuffs vs the one who sees it in the log and has the -na spell half way casted by the time the mob even finishes readying the attack.) -
03-10-2011, 04:17 PMKuishen/facepalm.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Dubberrucky
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03-10-2011, 04:21 PMDubberruckyNothing that is opinion is fact other than stating that this is someones opinion. Regarding your opinion of a matter as a fact deflects from any credibility you may have had at some point. To answer your edit yes and no I am a good well rounded both BST and BLM now but after I attained 75 I was great at solo but needed to learn how to work with a party. Both in my opinion are needed in order to be a good player keywhoreing gives you neither experience, so to me it is actually quite inefficient thanks to the new updates.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kuishen
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03-10-2011, 04:26 PMLinh
I've always thought that FF11 only has one level, "The Max". Which for me was 75. All the cool bosses and fights and stories etc mostly happen at 75.
What do you do before 75? Kill nameless mobs.
Here's a crazy idea: make the entire leveling process *fun* and *inventive*. We're Adventurers right? Then why not just populate the whole world with Dynamic Events like oh say....a village is under attack, an NPC comes running out crying while carrying her child in her arms while being chased by a huge NM.
You go in and bash that NMs head in and get exp for the event, bam. Too low level to fight the NM? Why not try casting Water on that burning house to put out the flames? Cant cast magic? Why not just go inside to beat up the low level Bombs about to eat the terrified citizen inside?
That's bloody Adventuring. Not sitting at one camp while waiting for a helpless pink bird to come along so you can kill it. -
03-10-2011, 04:31 PMDubberruckyJust to point out since you are currently on Sylph this was not accurate ratios here 2 years ago before the server merge when astral burning became something that happened here on a frequent basis. If this shift was due to the merge and habits that came over with it or the bi product of level sync the world will never truly know but more than likely a combination of both. In short there has been a direct correlation to the number of junk players found in partys to the availability of leaching in some fashion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cream_Soda
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03-10-2011, 04:35 PMDubberruckyYou make a very good point. I personally like the entire game not just endgame but they always could make leveling more fun with new ideas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Linh
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03-10-2011, 04:38 PMCream_Soda
Dubber, you enjoy Dynamis, Walk of Echoes, Limbus, Sky, Sea, Fishing, Chocobo Digging, that stupid mini game for 85-90, crafting, harvesting, logging, etc?
The ENTIRE game? I'm sure there's something in the game you don't like to do.
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03-10-2011, 04:53 PMDubberruckyYes, actually I do enjoy it. With a group of friends I am willing and happy to do all the events the game has to offer and I actually like to level as well. I never leave my friends out and go after the end game stuff on my own though I am not really too interested in getting it. If I was not having fun I would not play. Though I am not sure what you are referring to by stupid mini game. On a side note I have never tried ballista they never seem to get off the ground but I do enjoy a good brenner greatly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cream_Soda
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03-10-2011, 04:57 PMCream_Soda
Well, seeing as things like harvesting is counter productive with multiple people, it's not really something you'd go out and do with a group of friends.
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03-10-2011, 04:59 PMDubberruckyYes its quite relaxing when I do not feel like socializing or fighting. These are also great times to craft and fish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cream_Soda
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03-10-2011, 05:01 PMCream_Soda
Well, I assure you, you're in the vast minority, if you like every single aspect of the game and enjoy doing every thing (especially trial of magians).
For the vast majority, there are things people will like and things people will not like.
Well, since you like everything, do you like standing in abyssea and opening chests for hours on end to gain levels?
Edit: The last question is a part of the game, so if your answer is no, then you don't enjoy the entire game. If your answer is yes, let others enjoy it as well. -
03-10-2011, 05:06 PMAvinaDude, chill out. It's a video game forum and you are taking this stuff way too personally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kuishen
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03-10-2011, 05:17 PMAvinaI actually agree with this statement, but I will say, it does suck a lot to want to do things in this game and be unable to. And maybe that means that players who like the old things are just meant to die out, I don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cream_Soda
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03-10-2011, 05:25 PMDubberruckyI know I am in the minority in the aspect of actually enjoying the entire game I never said otherwise. As far as standing around opening chests I have never and will never do that but not one person in this forum or in the game that I heard has ever said they actually enjoy doing that. The same can not be said for anything else on the list. Things about leveling need to change is the bottom line as someone brought up earlier maybe people wouldn't cry about not being able to leech an entire job if it was made fun for them to level it. If SE continues on the path of taking all effort from the game who will really want to play down the road? Even for an average player the trials and AF3 only take a few days to complete with less than 6 people if you worked on them consistently. For arguments sake lets say it takes 2 days to aby burn a job then 5 days to complete AF3 if focused. That is only a week per job. 20 weeks total given they do it for 20 jobs. Now add in the relatively short time it takes for weapon trials you may stretch that to 30 weeks. I personally have already seen people leave the game because of this who have been around for years and achieved these goals. Rushing to the end like there is one is simply closure it does not help the game or the player unless you are simply looking for an end for an excuse to get bored and quit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cream_Soda
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03-10-2011, 05:28 PMCream_SodaWhether other people enjoy it or not, if you do not, then your claims of enjoying the entire game are false. As for me, I enjoyed doing chests when I leveled Corsair (only job I leveled prior to 75 in abysssea)Quote:
As far as standing around opening chests I have never and will never do that but not one person in this forum or in the game that I heard has ever said they actually enjoy doing that.
You're not in that minority because you do not enjoy the entire game.Quote:
I know I am in the minority in the aspect of actually enjoying the entire game
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03-10-2011, 05:31 PMSeis
I don't know about you, but I'd be much more inclined to return to a game I remember as being fun, than one that I remember as being monotonous and afraid to let people have fun for the sake of extending the lifetime of old content.