Mog Wardrobe 3&4 feedback.

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Originally Posted by Deirdre

I love how the 'sub fee is only to let you access the game!' argument only appeared in XI when XIV's cash shop appeared. I've read forums a long time, going back to allakazam, and that's not how XI's sub worked. You pay them, you have access to anything in game.

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Actually, for as long as sub based MMOs have been around your sub fee only grants you access to the game and if they choose to add (optional services/cash shop) it's well within the right to and it's not covered by your sub fee because it's an additional charge. Back when SE announced the first 3 mini-add ons people cried that they should get it for free because they paid a sub and they're not actually buying a physical expansion pack. I'm not sure how long you've played, but people were complaining they should have gotten Chains of Promathia free because unlike the Japanese, they got Rise of the Zilart for free, so they thought every expansion was free because it's a P2P MMO.

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Lets hope that's not prophetic.

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That would never happen in a game like this. XIV? Sure, that sounds like something they'd do, but that's a bit of an exaggeration even by F2P standards. The furthest you can go is PSO2 where you can't trade with players or use the player shop feature unless you are Premium but therein lies a completely different format known as "Freemium."

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Like many, many people, I have 22 lvl99 jobs, all in varied states of gearing, some jobs require 80-90 pieces of gear cycling around while others much less.

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That's actually in the minority. A lot of people have 99 jobs because leveling is nothing these days, but only play 2-4 of them at best, let alone to the fullest and to the point you have all of your gearsets for it to maximize it. It's HIGHLY unlikely you have players with 22 fully geared out jobs because no amount of mog wardrobes will be enough at that point lol. That's why I was saying stuff like this is completely optional for the majority of the playerbase, just like having multiple mules is an optional thing unless, well, you want to do certain things efficiently, e.g crafting back in the day or using for storage prior to all these changes.

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Originally Posted by Diavolo

I've seen you make this argument before. We don't need more jobs in order to rationalize the extra space afforded by Mog Wadrobes 3 and 4, 22 is already more than enough to fill those up and then some. There is more to gearing a job than just having a single TP set and WS set.

Likewise, I never like bringing the argument of need vs want into these discussions because we technically don't need a lot of the items and features we have. Does that make them less valuable? Not at all. You don't need Wardrobes 3 and 4 the same way you don't need an Idris GEO to kill end game content, but it sure does make life easier. Yes, we can all survive just fine without those wardrobes the same way we all survive without REM weapons, but let's not kid ourselves, almost everyone wants them, so again, why do they need to be locked behind a paywall? I have all 22 jobs at 99 and I struggle with space, but I'd sooner spend that $4 on a homeless person than let SE think charging me for this is an acceptable practice.

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There are lots of things in the game that aren't needed but that's not the argument.

The argument was that if you have 4 chairs and one ass, you don't need to throw a tantrum if another chair is put in the room that you aren't allowed to sit on. Now you could put all those 5 chairs together and make a fort, you could play bouncy and jump from chair to chair but you don't need that 5th chair because you already have more than enough chairs.

If space was really restrictive then I think everyone would of taken issue with it, or if it could store items instead of pure equip maybe but we have so much space that this is a really stupid thing to argue about.

Also you can pay $2 and put all your cosmetic items in it if you want, you don't have to ever pay again and still use it for cosmetic lock sets.

I really don't think there are very many people at all that have use for this, sure lots of people have lots of 99 jobs but due to the stupid nature of job points people don't use anything but their best jobs most of the time. That's rarely more than 2.

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Originally Posted by Castanica

The argument was that if you have 4 chairs and one ass <snip>

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lol, maybe we should stop with the analogies. This just has me thinking about how obese people are made to pay for two seats when booking a flight.

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Originally Posted by Castanica

If space was really restrictive then I think everyone would of taken issue with it, or if it could store items instead of pure equip maybe but we have so much space that this is a really stupid thing to argue about.

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Considering how quickly FFXIAH's thread jumped to 19 pages and was shut down, and how much attention the issue has received here on the official forums, which are usually far more quiet, I think it's safe to say it's something a lot of people feel strongly about. You don't have to be a hardcore player with countless gear sets for each job to appreciate the convenience these wardrobes bring with them. It's not something everyone needs, but it's something everyone wants and attaching a recurring fee to it came as a shock to the system for many.

Safe to say those exhibiting reservations about paying for two extra wardrobes probably won't be playing FFXI Mobile for long, if at all, when it finally arrives.

I Love it!
Its great! Now all my gear is always available! and I can sort weapons into one, main piece armor in one, accessories in one and special event items in another.
as for the 2$ + 2$ for them... Totally worth it as its across ALL my characters. With the total cost on monthly subscription still under 20$ for me.
Now if SE starts adding LOTS of these addons.... These prices may be a bit high as you could easily end up with add on costs being More than the base price.
That said...I'd Love Mog Safe 3 & 4....

I stated it before, but it's not the $2/month that I'm upset about. I can easily afford it, its the principle of the matter. If it starts with paying just for more space(paying for mules is space + other benefits, ie bayld farming, crafting, quests etc) what's to stop it from having to pay for spells. I could see se doing this for Massacre elegy for brd. It starts FFXI down a slippery slope which to the extreme we'd have to pay for use of MP.

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Originally Posted by VoiceMemo

I stated it before, but it's not the $2/month that I'm upset about. I can easily afford it, its the principle of the matter. If it starts with paying just for more space(paying for mules is space + other benefits, ie bayld farming, crafting, quests etc) what's to stop it from having to pay for spells. I could see se doing this for Massacre elegy for brd. It starts FFXI down a slippery slope which to the extreme we'd have to pay for use of MP.

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You are kind of getting a little hysterical here, all you have to do is look at FFXIV. That shows the extreme they might be willing to goto and it does not offer anything like what you mention there. Also, just to point out that almost no f2p mmorpg does that either.

Developers have standards too, they sometimes have to push them to make sure a title is profitable but I can guarantee you they will close this game down before they goto the extreme you just mentioned. Even if it's f2p.

We have no reason to believe that just because FFXIV is a certain way, that's the only things that might be merged into XI, afterall, I'm sure they believe they can afford to be far riskier in XI's case for obvious reasons.

We had no reason to believe they would ever pull something like rented inventory space in XI before this announcement.

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Originally Posted by Selindrile

We have no reason to believe that just because FFXIV is a certain way, that's the only things that might be merged into XI, afterall, I'm sure they believe they can afford to be far riskier in XI's case for obvious reasons.

We had no reason to believe they would ever pull something like rented inventory space in XI before this announcement.

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You greatly exaggerate their care meter in relation to this game, also the point remains that almost no mmorpg on the market does anything like that level of cash shop sellables.

You mean ones like:

Black Desert Online : "Costume" buyables that have set bonuses that affect exp/combat, not obtainable ingame.

Perfect World : Socketing to improve your weapons/armor, which is the only way you can adds sockets.

Runes of Magic : Consumable items to improve your weapon/armor, these are purchasable ingame, but the price is exorbitant.

Rift : Gear upgrades again cost RL money.

I'm sure there are tons more, that was only a few minutes of research.

Many games have Patron status which offers combat bonuses, but that isn't usually found in a subscription-based model, but neither is rental inventory space in a subscription-based game, all that I can think of are single-purchases for inventory space in other games...

I'm not gonna go out of my way to research it but I'll bet if I did you can buy those upgrades via ingame currency from other players and/or they are very minor anyway, at least in terms of rift and bdo.

I haven't seen a serious mmorpg with the things you mention that had no other way to get them. Also as stated ffxiv had rentable inventory space long before ffxi and they give you far less free space. FFXIV is also considering story skip potions and level to 60 stuff.

We all know how "very minor" works in MMO terms, especially FFXI, and I did the research, except where I already noted those aren't obtainable ingame, and I have played Perfect World and Runes of Magic, they weren't minor things to the people there.

RIFT “You can still unlock them through gameplay by using your in-game currency to purchase REX from the auction house!”

How do you suppose those items get there in the first place? lol.....

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Originally Posted by Selindrile

How do you suppose those items get there in the first place? lol.....

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What does that have to do with it? I don't care if someone else buys things to put them on the auction house, as long as I or you can use ingame currency to get them.

The point was you can get them in the game with in-game currency, the auction house is part of the game.

Similarly, I believe EVE and much later WoW have enabled game-currency (gold, gil, whatever the game calls it) to pay monthly fees in a similar fashion: You buy a "token" of some sort, with real-life money and can sell the code on the auction house.

It's basically sanctioned RMT.

I'm not complaining. I actually have no problem with it.

Honestly, some players will always buy game-currency whether because they don't have the time or just don't care. With the company being the middleman, it at least makes the transaction trustworthy.

btw: I hate when two people with the same avatar argue, so confusing. It looked like one person was tweeting for a minute.

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Originally Posted by VoiceMemo

I stated it before, but it's not the $2/month that I'm upset about. I can easily afford it, its the principle of the matter.

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Okay. At this point I want to someone to show me they have an extreme need for Mog Wardrobe 3 & 4. I'm not saying it to be a smartbutt or anything, I really want to see how many players maximize all of their 99 jobs and not just a few, since you know, apparently I only think a "TP and WS set" is needed, despite playing this game since the JP Beta and play numerous jobs from tanking, DD to jobs like Geomancer, Scholar, White Mage and Red Mage. We need a lot of gear for particular jobs, but given the grind to master a job, that's precisely why I stated most people tend to only play 2-4 jobs at best thus not creating an actual need for these optional wardrobes.

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If it starts with paying just for more space(paying for mules is space + other benefits, ie bayld farming, crafting, quests etc) what's to stop it from having to pay for spells. I could see se doing this for Massacre elegy for brd.

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XI isn't built nor does it support a system like that. What's to stop them? The fact Matsui stated straight out as per client design it's hard coded to a limit to add additional spells to the player or monsters and they have no intention to remove older/unused spells/skills to make room for new. So while "Massacre Elegy" exists, paying for it via microtransaction would make no logical sense.

In XIV it'd make sense because they use a lot of excuses as to why they can't give players x but we can suddenly pay for it. A lot of changes in XI came due to hiring a new programmer.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Okay. At this point I want to someone to show me they have an extreme need for Mog Wardrobe 3 & 4.

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You're basically sliding down that slippery slope at this point. Would you be okay paying an additional fee for anything that isn't deemed an "extreme need"? That includes a very, very long list of features and items...

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Originally Posted by Diavolo

You're basically sliding down that slippery slope at this point. Would you be okay paying an additional fee for anything that isn't deemed an "extreme need"? That includes a very, very long list of features and items...

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exactly. All of the sudden we need "crystal points" to warp from crystals. You get 1000 a month. Each warp costs 50-100 points. You can subscribe to crystal boost 1, 2, & 3 to increase your crystal points by an additional 5000 each for the month...
warps from survival guides now cost "pages" everyone gets 10 pages per month. Subscribe to Bonus Book 1, 2, and 3 for an additional 20 pages a month each.

Do we have an EXTREME NEED to be able to use warp points and books? No, we used to just walk and warp places. So I guess we don't "need" books and crystal points - but it would be a serious quality of life issue not to have access to them. Same applies to wardrobes 3 and 4.

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Originally Posted by Diavolo

You're basically sliding down that slippery slope at this point.

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No slippery slope at all - I'm curious to see how many people with all 99 jobs actually plays more than 2-4 to the max, because people should be far more concerned with SE not adding 180 general inventory slots compared 180 gear only slots very few people would even get use out of because they're severely hurting for inventory space, which as I said again, if you truly do play all jobs to 99, SE didn't help you at all even for $4 extra a month because you still won't have space, anywhere to sustain that (if you actually gear swap.)

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Would you be okay paying an additional fee for anything that isn't deemed an "extreme need"?

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Already do in games I play. They're called optional services for a reason. I'm sure everyone's bought some form of DLC the main game doesn't need before. The only slippery slope is thinking:

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All of the sudden we need "crystal points" to warp from crystals

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Something like this is anywhere near in the realm of possibility for this game.

The nexon version, however, you should be more worried about.

inb4: JobSpecificWardrobe "Optional Service".

The double-dipping (cash shop on top of sub fee) is one of the big reasons I left FFXIV and came back to XI.

Now XI is double-dipping as well, only a few months after I came back. It's a bitter taste.

I see a lot of arguments in this thread about why double-dipping is "okay" - the content is optional and it's not pay to win, and no one is being forced to pay extra, so what's the problem?

The problem is that people who are already paying for the game every month feel like it's a slap in the face. We are already paying, but not getting all the content the devs are implementing. Worse, the time the devs spend on creating and implementing cash shop items is likely time taken away from the development of regular content that all subscribers have access to.

Charging more for storage in a game like FFXI is extra-hard to swallow. The game was designed to allow players to play every job on one character. While the one-character model has always been lauded as a brilliant move in an MMO environment, allowing players to preserve their community identities while simultaneously trying many different jobs, it of course leads to huge inventory issues. Many of those issues have been alleviated through quality of life upgrades, and I'm sure the playerbase as a whole is as thankful as I am for that. However, it does tend to be a punch in the gut when the devs, who know the strengths and weaknesses of the one-character system as well as the players do, charge a premium for expansion of storage.

For a long time MMOs fell into one of two categories: free to play with a cash shop, or a monthly subscription fee with all content available to every player who pays for the game monthly. And it worked, players had their preferences and followed them. But as things like this usually go, someone in corporate looked at these models and thought "if the players will pay for both, why not use both?" I understand SE needs their money, but XI players have already been giving and giving and giving, for 15 years now. And I know I'm not the only one who left XIV disappointed to come back to XI where the grass was greener, the game more fun, the double-dipping nonexistent. Until now.

The problem with microtransactions is that companies adjust the game with time so players feel the need for purchasing them more and more. Game mechanics are bascially screwed towards these microtransactions and finally we reach a point of not having them means having a crippled gaming experience (like in all F2P games). Since this is a subscription game, microtransactions should never have a place here.

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Originally Posted by Zaila

I see a lot of arguments in this thread about why double-dipping is "okay" - the content is optional and it's not pay to win, and no one is being forced to pay extra, so what's the problem?

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its never ok, but dont worry, plenty of people will justify anything companies do

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Originally Posted by Stompa

To explain this clearly, one last time. Say for example that you are a FFXI player, and you wanted to have extra storage during the last 14 years, you PAID EXTRA for some Mule Characters, and you shipped your extra items to the Mule accounts (very slowly) via Delivery Box. People have been doing this for over a decade. I was doing it in 2004 when I was catching Grimmonites and couldn't sell them all. I had a Mule with a whole house full of fish!

So if you were a player who needed extra storage, you were ALREADY paying for extra characters and using them as Storage Mules.

Now, with the extra wardrobes optional fee, you would be able to cancel those Mule Characters, and use the same money (from your cancelled Mules) to pay for the extra Wardrobes. This would make your life EASIER, and cost you the SAME as you were already paying. That is what we in the business world call a "good deal." Pay the same, get the same storage, and not have to ship goods back and forwards across multiple characters? Sounds like a good deal to me.

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Not a good deal. On one mule, you could have an extra 800 slots for an extra dollar a month (if you bothered to do the legwork on the mule to open all those slots) and you could store any type of item on a mule. However, Mog Wardrobe 3 & 4 are only 160 extra spaces in which you can only store gear and not any other type of item, and it costs 4$ a month. And let's face it, if you are so badly in need of two extra Mog wardrobes, it means you likely play enough to spend the time to do the legwork on those mules.

I spent many a day wrestling with mules too. I know it's annoying and time-consuming. And therein lies the rub. We were always fed the "PS2 limitations" line every time we requested more much-needed storage, so we made do with mules. But the time for that has passed, and XI is now PC-only. The yoke of outdated hardware has been lifted, only to be replaced with a new yoke. Now that the extra space can be supported, we who have been paying for mules and extra accounts all these years are being asked for even more money per month for the space.

If you truly think this is a fair business move, or that you're getting the same bang for your buck, you might want to cast Blindna on yourself.

I am paying for the wardrobes I put all my bst gear in them and lower level gear for leveling. That way I only have to sub to them when I want to level or play bst. My bst has been pretty much retired now for 6+ months so this is just a way of freeing up inventory from my retired job without tedious muling and without throwing away gear I worked hard for.

I don't like being asked to pay for them, but with my limited play time, managing inventory isn't really what I want to do.

Anyway the login campaigns are so bad I can probably make the money mostly back on not subbing mules.

I don't like this direction as I think the game is pretty overpriced for it's age and updates, but I am not going to suffer when I do play. As I said above, I will probably just sub less often.

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Originally Posted by Zaila

Not a good deal. On one mule, you could have an extra 800 slots for an extra dollar a month (if you bothered to do the legwork on the mule to open all those slots) and you could store any type of item on a mule. However, Mog Wardrobe 3 & 4 are only 160 extra spaces in which you can only store gear and not any other type of item, and it costs 4$ a month. And let's face it, if you are so badly in need of two extra Mog wardrobes, it means you likely play enough to spend the time to do the legwork on those mules.

I spent many a day wrestling with mules too. I know it's annoying and time-consuming. And therein lies the rub. We were always fed the "PS2 limitations" line every time we requested more much-needed storage, so we made do with mules. But the time for that has passed, and XI is now PC-only. The yoke of outdated hardware has been lifted, only to be replaced with a new yoke. Now that the extra space can be supported, we who have been paying for mules and extra accounts all these years are being asked for even more money per month for the space.

If you truly think this is a fair business move, or that you're getting the same bang for your buck, you might want to cast Blindna on yourself.

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You say the new wardrobes are only 160 spaces. Did you read this on the POL page ;

"This contract applies to all characters on the same PlayOnline/FINAL FANTASY XI service account."

This means that as I have six mules, I cancel four mules to pay for the new wardrobes, and I get 160 spaces on each of my remaining three characters. I could leave things on my mules that I never really need to use very often, and have +160 more items on my main account, items that are more useful every day.

You're right, dollar for dollar, there is a slightly larger number of slots if I kept my six mules, than if I got +160 slots on each of my three remaining characters. But it is only a slight difference.

To use your argument, for dollar-for-dollar you get a slightly larger number of slots with six fully-powered mules, than with three characters using the new Wardrobes - but at a huge loss of convenience.


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yeah but stompa, my mules don't need gear spaces. I'd much rather have a lower price and only have it apply to one character. If this was general inventory I'd agree with you but how many people have multiple mules that need 160 more gear spaces on them each? I don't, and I even have a mule that is pretty much gear only, and he had room in his existing mog sacks...

I think Stompa made a good point that maybe when you own 4 mules that otherwise barely hold anything (used for logins, bonanza, whatever), condensing those 4x$1 expenses to one $4 expense that grants you 160 extra equip-macro-available spots might be worthwhile. But you still should consider a few things:

Pro1) You gain 160 spots that can be used in equipset macros, saving yourself a little time and space stuffing macro gear into your inventory each time you change jobs
Pro2) You gain a bonus 160 storage spots on any mules you have left.

Con 1) The 160 storage spots you gain on those mules is for gear only.
Con 2) You now lose out on having 4 other chars for login points, mog pell gifts, bonanza, etc.
Con 3) You lose out on the total storage space of 4 mules (which depending on how many storage you unlocked, adds up to a much larger number than 160)

This is without including other cons, such as concern that purchasing this will encourage SE to start charging for other services in FFXI, or that acceeding to this is essentially subjecting yourself to being slapped in the face when you are already one of the few loyal customers SE has left who is playing their outdated game.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

I'm curious to see how many people with all 99 jobs actually plays more than 2-4 to the max, because people should be far more concerned with SE not adding 180 general inventory slots compared 180 gear only slots very few people would even get use out of because they're severely hurting for inventory space, which as I said again, if you truly do play all jobs to 99, SE didn't help you at all even for $4 extra a month because you still won't have space, anywhere to sustain that (if you actually gear swap.)

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I actually do play all 22 jobs, and have them all geared to a degree that I can take them out and do decently on mid-tier stuff. Sure I have some jobs that are geared much better than others for endgame (RUN, BLU, THF, WHM, SMN, BST, BLM, GEO), but for example, I still carry 4 different H2H for PUP, and it's a job I play maybe once every 3 months. I admit I'm a hoarder, and to manage it I need one mule (which I didn't have for the longest time because I wanted to play as vanilla as possible), porter slips, filling the dbox limbo space between my main and my mule (which I cap all the time), and often filling my ah slots with gear I overprice just to have a place to hold them. I don't keep any gear needed to play those 22 jobs on my mule (mostly because that gear is predominantly ra/ex or on porter). My mule already gets all my sentimental gear that I'll never wear again but just can't toss, my extra escha/resein pieces that I'll one day mess around augmenting, gear for the mule itself because I got bored and decided to level all its jobs. And yet with all that, I have maybe 12 pieces of gear that don't fit into its wardrobe 1/2. The rest is all crafting mats, trigger items, abjurations, unity trophies, food and meds. So yes, giving my mule an extra 120 gear spaces will help get me inv +12 and nothing more. A second mule would be much more useful to me (and I'm probably close to breaking down and buying one, but I'm waiting to see how I fare after the bonanza frees up space).

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Originally Posted by Olor

yeah but stompa, my mules don't need gear spaces. I'd much rather have a lower price and only have it apply to one character. If this was general inventory I'd agree with you but how many people have multiple mules that need 160 more gear spaces on them each? I don't, and I even have a mule that is pretty much gear only, and he had room in his existing mog sacks...

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Exactly.

Urgh. Do I really have to skip past these wardrobe buttons every time I access my inventories?

SE, I'm not going to opt in to this ridiculous nonsense. You don't need to advertise its existence. Please remove the buttons for people who aren't participating in this. At least grey them out or have the cursor skip over them.

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Originally Posted by Jerbob

Urgh. Do I really have to skip past these wardrobe buttons every time I access my inventories?

SE, I'm not going to opt in to this ridiculous nonsense. You don't need to advertise its existence. Please remove the buttons for people who aren't participating in this. At least grey them out or have the cursor skip over them.

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+over9000

That annoys me too.

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Originally Posted by Jerbob

Urgh. Do I really have to skip past these wardrobe buttons every time I access my inventories?

SE, I'm not going to opt in to this ridiculous nonsense. You don't need to advertise its existence. Please remove the buttons for people who aren't participating in this. At least grey them out or have the cursor skip over them.

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SE will continue to rub them in your face and make them a anti-Quality of life improvement, I don't know how many times i go to access wardrobe 2 and select 4 and get the lag from accessing the wrong one when i'm trying to do stuff on the go. I agree, make them blacked out unless you pay or remove in full but neither will happen as they want to force feed you how much you're missing without them

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Originally Posted by Secondplanet

SE will continue to rub them in your face and make them a anti-Quality of life improvement, I don't know how many times i go to access wardrobe 2 and select 4 and get the lag from accessing the wrong one when i'm trying to do stuff on the go. I agree, make them blacked out unless you pay or remove in full but neither will happen as they want to force feed you how much you're missing without them

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I think you are overthinking this, it's actually just based on the limitations of the game engine / UI. I don't have a mog locker on an alt account, it still shows it. I don't have mog satchel, it still shows it. This is not new.

They aren't rubbing your nose in it, it's just a standard UI for all.

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Originally Posted by Castanica

I think you are overthinking this, it's actually just based on the limitations of the game engine / UI. I don't have a mog locker on an alt account, it still shows it. I don't have mog satchel, it still shows it. This is not new.

They aren't rubbing your nose in it, it's just a standard UI for all.

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People tend to brush off the obvious in these situations - you see a lot in the XIV community.

I mean, the reason they bury stuff in menus is CLEARLY because they're planning on going the microtransaction route with this game, so therefore to have a better interface you'll have to pay extra a month!

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Originally Posted by Castanica

I think you are overthinking this, it's actually just based on the limitations of the game engine / UI. I don't have a mog locker on an alt account, it still shows it. I don't have mog satchel, it still shows it. This is not new.

They aren't rubbing your nose in it, it's just a standard UI for all.

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I have to agree. I fully expect that if they responded to this, they'd say the game engine doesn't support skipping greyed out options. It also might not support only showing available options to people who have "rented them". Yes, with some effort, the engine could probably filter it away but it's literally not worth their effort.

On top of that, while I don't like these 2 boxes being rentals, if a user comes back to the game and sees them but greyed out, first thing they'll do is google how to get them. Makes sense to have them visible.

It is a bit of an inconvenience, but only that.

When looking into storage expansion, this is primarily the reason that it took so much time to make it happen. We decided to provide a fee-based optional service to accommodate players who absolutely felt that they needed more storage.

The second reason was to gain capital for continued service of FFXI.

If you can prove to me that the money goes back into FFXI (or even just provide some reassurance) then that's good enough for me. I have no misgivings paying extra for certain conveniences if it goes back into the game, provided that we don't go pay-to-win.

You also missed the part where he said that they made it pay to use so only those who really wanted it would get it, that way less stress is put on the servers.

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Originally Posted by detlef

If you can prove to me that the money goes back into FFXI (or even just provide some reassurance) then that's good enough for me. I have no misgivings paying extra for certain conveniences if it goes back into the game, provided that we don't go pay-to-win.

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Agreed.

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I would like to let you know that this does not mean that the plan for FFXI moving forward is to go the microtransaction route, so please rest assured this is not the case.

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If this is true, and the money is indeed going to go towards improving XI and bringing back some dev personnel to work on it then I'm in.

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The first is to mitigate against the increased stress placed on the servers from storage. Besides the increased loading times for items that occurs for each character, it’s very important to consider the issue where adding inventory support to all characters would cause stress on the entire server. Thus, one of the main reasons why this is an optional service requiring a fee is to mitigate as much of this server stress as possible. We’re building an environment tailored to those who wish to expand their inventory.

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This rings hollow to me given how low the population numbers are across the remaining 16 servers compared to their heydays and how much new, needless gear we're receiving - many of those stat upgrades could have come in the form of updates to existing gear, similar to the way Escha - Ru'Aunn abjuration gear got updated. I guess that's as good an explanation as I could have expected, though.

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This rings hollow to me given how low the population numbers are across the remaining 16 servers compared to their heydays and how much new, needless gear we're receiving - many of those stat upgrades could have come in the form of updates to existing gear, similar to the way Escha - Ru'Aunn abjuration gear got updated. I guess that's as good an explanation as I could have expected, though.

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Why do people keep comparing the game now to "heydays"?

They have added content to the servers that was never there in the past. There was no unity system with chat servers, there was no multiple linkshell system, there was no shout / yell. There was no extra inventory systems (wardrobe 1 and 2) back then. They have stated multiple times that the way the game runs now would of been impossible back when there were 3-4k people on each server.

The server load in 2004 was minimal, it has gotten more and more complicated and far more server communication happens now then ever had before. The servers would crash if 2k people were online now, let alone 3-4

As for gear, protip: you can throw stuff away.

One fabulous way they could reduce inventory stress is by not creating items that we're intended to have multiple of, like Ambuscade's JSE capes. I would have made the base stats of the cape purchaseable as a key item (with hallmarks!) so that it's always locked on the job.

The capes themselves would be all-jobs so that my blu, dnc, and thf don't have three identical capes. My RUN has two capes that are just like 2 of my 3 PLD capes.

Another thing is give us boxes to put our treasures in (kind of like mules). I know I'll probably never wear mekira mekogai again but it took me over 300 fights to get it, I'm not dropping it. If this box was only accessible from say MH second floor, that saves a lot of needless downloading at every zone change.

Expand the slots in the delivery box so that muling is not such a cumbersome process.

And before someone says something like "Your inventory problems are your own fault." Attachment to pixels is what MMOs depend on and thrive off of.

Another thing that I think certain other games do better: Aside from JSE gear, jobs can wear a class of armor. This would translate into XI something like this..

Plate - WAR/PLD/DRK/DRG/SAM..etc
Leather - MNK/NIN/THF/BLU/DNC/RUN/RNG..etc(and RDM).
Cloth - WHM/BLM/SCH..mages

It's a bit annoying carrying around inferior gear to another piece just because, on someone's whim, a job that sensibly should be able to wear something can't wear it.

Finally, while zoning is part of XI, they could alleviate a lot of the hopping by consolidating home points and survival books into one system. Put a home point in Mog Garden too (just make "Area you entered from" go back to Western Adoulin if you want, or don't.. would it be so broken?).

I would imagine that bandwidth usage has gone up since the introduction of ambuscade since the main thing to do right now is Zone to some obscure area, kill 10 things, zone back, enter fight, take 3 minutes to kill it, zone out, redownloading inventory each and every time. HTBF is a similar thing. Add an extra step for the people who don't move their home point.

Instead, design something like--ironic, since it's in the same zone--Legion where you do the fight as many times as you can in a set period of time (Each round in legion scaled in difficulty, I don't think that would be ideal here).