The noob moments that you have witnessed that made you /facepalm...

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Originally Posted by Reiterpallasch

If your healer has issues healing while you blink, then that's truly a /facepalm moment.

SE added a nifty little macro to the game that lets you target others and cast on them even if they never even appear on your screen a loooong time ago, but trying to explain that to most people just nets you the "but then I can't target people outside of my party!" excuse.

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to cover the whole alliance with cure/haste it takes 34 macros :x
<p1-5> for party members, <a10-15> for top party, <a20-25> for middle party in an alliance, not really difficult.

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Originally Posted by Alukat

to cover the whole alliance with cure/haste it takes 34 macros :x
<p1-5> for party members, <a10-15> for top party, <a20-25> for middle party in an alliance, not really difficult.

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actually try playing on the console then say that. Not everyone has a kb but even still. A person isn;t a noob for not gear swaping it is player choice. If you wanna risk a death go right ahead. Least I'm not ignorant to understand this isn't a pc only game.

You don't need a pc to use the right macros. ;/

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Originally Posted by Alukat

to cover the whole alliance with cure/haste it takes 34 macros :x
<p1-5> for party members, <a10-15> for top party, <a20-25> for middle party in an alliance, not really difficult.

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WOW this is /faceplaming hard. <stal> lets you get by all that. The only time you should not use <stal> is outside of the ali healing. To slow it down, the al in that is slecting for aliance wide casting, works like a charm.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

actually try playing on the console then say that. Not everyone has a kb but even still. A person isn;t a noob for not gear swaping it is player choice. If you wanna risk a death go right ahead. Least I'm not ignorant to understand this isn't a pc only game.

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<stal> works great on console, it fact it work really well with a controler. You hit the macro and slect from the party/ali list at bottom left hand cornor of the screen and hit the confirm button again. Try it you would amazed how well it works.

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Originally Posted by Ravenmore

WOW this is /faceplaming hard. <stal> lets you get by all that. The only time you should not use <stal> is outside of the ali healing. To slow it down, the al in that is for slecting aliance for wide casting, works like a charm.

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wasn't hear when that was added. but still I think gear swaping is stupid. That is my opinion, anfd I have the right to say it. If you care to insult me over my opinion then you just prove how childish you are :)
Oh and yes I did try gear swaping and I thought it was lame gear don;t make the player skill does. It isn;t how hard you hit. It is in how well timed you are to work as a team gear swaping is for ego stroking. It just wastes space needlessy. Again just my opinions on it. Didn;t want my harsh opinions? Then don't be a noob and hate on other who chpoose not to gear swap. simple :)

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Originally Posted by Rosina

wasn't hear when that was added. but still I think gear swaping is stupid. That is my opinion, anfd I have the right to say it. If you care to insult me over my opinion then you just prove how childish you are :)
Oh and yes I did try gear swaping and I thought it was lame gear don;t make the player skill does. It isn;t how hard you hit. It is in how well timed you are to work as a team gear swaping is for ego stroking. It just wastes space needlessy. Again just my opinions on it. Didn;t want my harsh opinions? Then don't be a noob and hate on other who chpoose not to gear swap. simple :)

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This is extremely difficult to read ; ;

Edit: Also gear swapping isn't for "ego stroking" (I think you mean epeen stroking?), it's for those who are trying to be the best they can be. Perform to the max. I'm sorry that my RDM has different sets to include Fast Cast, Cure Potency, Enfeebling, Nuking, and Idling. I'm sorry that I don't want to weaponskill in haste gear, and refuse to melee in slow gear as DRK. I also apologize that I choose to macro in waltz potency for my DNC. This makes me an "ego stroker" doesn't it?

If you wanna be laid back about playing then fine. Don't equip change, but don't pretend to know stuff you have no idea what you are talking about ;/

btw I was more or less saying it as if a healer has you targeted and is about to heal when you swap it does un target you. I would safely assume it would on select target allience as well. Maybe ask what I meant vs assuming and insulting me.

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Originally Posted by Zatias

This is extremely difficult to read ; ;

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so learn to read it or ask question

Pretty much using my boston accent when I type. I was not here when that added that type of target. But even still I never liked gear swaping. Or have it be forced on me. I play just fine if not better then those who do gear swap. I just did not like reading the comments being made that a person is a noob for not gear swaping. Those are the types of egos that really ruin the mmo experience.

Also just in case you have any more issues reading. I was more making a reference that when you blink no matter the type of macro targeting you do. It can un-target you if you blink just as the person is casting. I had this happen as a lolrdm healer. As well as whm and dnc. So yes it does make it hard if you gear swap at the wrong time.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

actually try playing on the console then say that. Not everyone has a kb but even still. A person isn;t a noob for not gear swaping it is player choice. If you wanna risk a death go right ahead. Least I'm not ignorant to understand this isn't a pc only game.

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Uh, what? They're commands for within macros that work just fine on console. If you target someone with <stpt> or <stal> and they blink you will NOT lose target. If you believe otherwise then you are wrong.

Still no excuss for not doing research as its mention in every how to play <insert mage job> on every forum beside this one(as this one doesn't have stickies and not used for that). Wiki has it in how to make macros. BG, killing ifrit Alla all have guides that go into great detail on it.

Getting the extra HP from cure pot gear can be the differeance between two cures to top off or just one. Idle sts can produce more MP to prevent having to rest.

Swaping in to a MDB set as a mob is warming up a high tier ga can mean living while keeping hate and not killing you DPS. Skill in this game is knowing when to swap into and out of gear and what

I would say party planning and strat planning (even if its just right off wiki info) and explaining the strat is what needs the most skill in the game.

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Originally Posted by Reiterpallasch

Uh, what? They're commands for within macros that work just fine on console. If you target someone with <stpt> or <stal> and they blink you will NOT lose target. If you believe otherwise then you are wrong.

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They did for me unless they changed it. I always marco'ed my cure macros to do <stpc>. Actualy I do know what I'm talking about been on this game from ps2 launch mostly played rdm. Being the best has little to do with gear swaping. Pretty much gear swaping doesn't make you good. Ego-centric minds are the real noobs. I say ego stroking because sayng epeen is wicked childish. I looks dumb.

I do not make stuff of when I type. Trust me. I may be wrong at times, but I would never flat out lie. Here is the thing I haven't played this game since they first added abyssea. A lot has changed and I didn't see all the details. But for when I played blinking from g4ear swap did detarget the person. If it got changed thenj gear because it was a pain to work around it.

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Originally Posted by Ravenmore

Still no excuss for not doing research as its mention in every how to play <insert mage job> on every forum beside this one(as this one doesn't have stickies and not used for that). Wiki has it in how to make macros. BG, killing ifrit Alla all have guides that go into great detail on it.

Getting the extra HP from cure pot gear can be the differeance between two cures to top off or just one. Idle sts can produce more MP to prevent having to rest.

Swaping in to a MDB set as a mob is warming up a high tier ga can mean living while keeping hate and not killing you DPS. Skill in this game is knowing when to swap into and out of gear and what

I would say party planning and strat planning (even if its just right off wiki info) and explaining the strat is what needs the most skill in the game.

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sorry but I play just fine w/o looking that crap up. If you wanna gear swap that is your buiness. Leave others to theirs. I do not play into the elitist tatics.

skill is all timing and team work I call gear swapers party soloist they do not work as a team more just play solo while ina party. They tend to not care if tank has decent hate before doing a 3-6K dmg ws thinking they're a cool kid. Sorry I laught ar ppl who spike their dmg and only due from it.

Gear swaping may not make you "good" but like I said, it really enhances your performance. No matter how "good" of a player you are, you can't cure for 50% more than usual just from being "good".

It's not about the "ego", it's about performing the best you can and pushing your party forward. Or at least it is for me.

if you need to research in order to play a game meant for fun. What does that say about you. I'm good w/o it. My skills were better for it as well. elitist fear failur or get angry instead of learning from it naturally. I lost count how many times a lol"goo player" died cuz they thought it would be cool to spike dmg when tank just provoked at the start of the fight. Then die and rage quit.

It's called being respectful of other people's time and providing your best effort.

<stal> Does not untarget when someone blinks. It does not need numbers and can cover anyone in the alliance. People need to learn how to go into game and test something out before they come here and spew garbage to which they have no bloody clue about.

Rosina you're entitled to your opinions just like we're entitled to think they're utter garbage. That's our opinion of your opinions and you can't do anything about it so get over it. If us dissecting your sentences to point out just how wrong they are offends you, then maybe you should reconsider hitting the post button.

The last three pages are thus a /facepalm.

You're basing the equip changing on stupid DD that want to die?

That's fine in all, but it doesn't prove your point. Dumb players are dumb players no matter if they equip change or not. Even if they had not equip changed they probably still would have pulled hate.

If you're calling me elitist, or any of the others who are disagreeing with you, I feel sorry for you.

I don't think you know what a real elitist is, prove me wrong?

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Originally Posted by Zatias

Gear swaping may not make you "good" but like I said, it really enhances your performance. No matter how "good" of a player you are, you can't cure for 50% more than usual just from being "good".

It's not about the "ego", it's about performing the best you can and pushing your party forward. Or at least it is for me.

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that is wear decent skill level + gear come in no need to gear swap. tryinbg to "be the best" in an mmo is pipe dream thinking. I just play for fun. Those who take games to seriously shouldn't play them.

I tried not to insult you guys, but you are asking fot it. Youre doing the 1 think I dispise most about this community. And that is the shoving your play style down peoples throats. If you think your better gear swaping, good. I think I'm better with out it. I rely on everyone in my party to be synced to gether and do not try to out perform my party members. Thats how mistakes happen. The best players are the ones who choose when to do something.

Rosina is pretty much a "noob moment that made me want to /facepalm".

Except it's not a "moment", as much as it is a constant thing. I'm just not even going to bother reading these posts, I can't even tell if he/she is trolling hardcore or if they're really just that dumb.

You need to read better.

I didn't ever say "be the best", I said that I try to be the best I CAN BE.

I have fun playing the way I do, and if you want to play and limit your performance, knock yourself out~

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Originally Posted by Meyi

It's called being respectful of other people's time and providing your best effort.

<stal> Does not untarget when someone blinks. It does not need numbers and can cover anyone in the alliance. People need to learn how to go into game and test something out before they come here and spew garbage to which they have no bloody clue about.

Rosina you're entitled to your opinions just like we're entitled to think they're utter garbage. That's our opinion of your opinions and you can't do anything about it so get over it. If us dissecting your sentences to point out just how wrong they are offends you, then maybe you should reconsider hitting the post button.

The last three pages are thus a /facepalm.

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like I said if it changed I just found out. please be respectful and vhoose your words better. I hate theswe 1 sided you can't insult but I have free rain because i;m a lol good player.

there are right and wrong way to debate. yall the sarah palin side.

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Originally Posted by Zatias

You need to read better.

I didn't ever say "be the best", I said that I try to be the best I CAN BE.

I have fun playing the way I do, and if you want to play and limit your performance, knock yourself out~

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here is the thing my performce may be infact better then yours. here is what you didn;t read. Those who fear failur do not learn. if you 100% spells you cast spells less often, and unless your capped you tend to have lower skill levels. personally speaking. I have tried gear swaping before and tbh I never noticed a difference in my performance. And this was coming from capped skills as a rdm. Sorry but try to be respectful in your words. And to people having different play styles. You really had no right to say the above that can be see as a insult.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

there are right and wrong way to debate. yall the sarah palin side.

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Pot calling the kettle black, this is a huge klaxon going off right there!
If you're going to talk about "right and wrong" when it comes to debate, then I wholly suggest you go back and read every single on of your posts regarding the SE Transfer / Payment system debate, in which you are your own side and literally shut off any other opinion and pass it off as "dumb, stupid or childish".

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Originally Posted by Rosina

skill is all timing and team work I call gear swapers party soloist they do not work as a team more just play solo while ina party. They tend to not care if tank has decent hate before doing a 3-6K dmg ws thinking they're a cool kid. Sorry I laught ar ppl who spike their dmg and only due from it.

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Gear swaps and knowing when to is what allowed people to 6 man HNMs long before abyssea, were just good player took whole alliances to kill the same mob.

The whole it "didn't work for me" is not true, my macros been working just fine for 5 years sure other people's macros workng well too you did something wrong. Players that refused to make the most out of thier jobs are the ones that were left to body chunk sky, dyna and limbus in shout pick up LSes.

Not seeking out infomation is the down fall of all not just in the game in the rest of life too. You wouldn't start a career today with out training or seeking out how to improve your self would you (career not working at the 7eleven or wal-mart door greeter). When I was still working I would go eat at different place's and look up what other chefs were doing see what the current trends were, this is called research.

Can hardly call it a debate since it is so one-sided. I'm sorry.

Can you tell me what you see as an Elitist then? And don't say "you all" lol.

Also, did I ever say I haven't had any failures? I trial and error a lot, since I work with a small group of people. This also means that I also have to step up my game gear-wise and play-wise.

please tell me you guys know what a video game is and what fun is right? no neec to take a game seriously and make it overly complicated. And insult others for not playing how you want them to.
That is the one thing wrong with the ffxi community. People think they need to be epic to be considered a good player. Good players know what a game is, and what fun is. They are open minded and play win or lose. They fully understand that there is no such thing as wasting time on an mmo, since you waste time playing one. They understand that working as a team is better then being a solo performer.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

wasn't hear when that was added. but still I think gear swaping is stupid. That is my opinion, anfd I have the right to say it. If you care to insult me over my opinion then you just prove how childish you are :)
Oh and yes I did try gear swaping and I thought it was lame gear don;t make the player skill does. It isn;t how hard you hit. It is in how well timed you are to work as a team gear swaping is for ego stroking. It just wastes space needlessy. Again just my opinions on it. Didn;t want my harsh opinions? Then don't be a noob and hate on other who chpoose not to gear swap. simple :)

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gear swap for "ego stroking"?

gear swap is to make fights easier >.>

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i was duoing carabosse with a friend alot.
he was whm had cure potency set & enfeebling magic set.

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he could get paralyze up all the time, carabosse muted me and i had shadows down, survived tornado II because it was paralyzed and this interrupted the spell, when a strong spell that didn't oneshot me hit me he could cure me to full hp pretty quick thx to cure potency set swap.
then he sold the whm gear (see this as full time use of cure potency set) because he didn't want to play the job mainly anymore.
we did carabosse again, he didn't get paralyze up anymore, this ended with mute + shadows down and the tornado II did oneshot me :x

another example for usefull gear swaps:

byakko whm + thf duo

thf needs gear swap there to max out ws dmg to make it possible to kill it before the whm runs out of mp.
a couple melee hits,tp-move, banishga-iii can eat the whm's mp pretty quick, that's why u want to gear swap to kill it fast.

now u see the point in gear swap? it can be the difference between win and fail

Edit: do u still need to target the person before <stal> works?

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Originally Posted by Modoru

Pot calling the kettle black, this is a huge klaxon going off right there!
If you're going to talk about "right and wrong" when it comes to debate, then I wholly suggest you go back and read every single on of your posts regarding the SE Transfer / Payment system debate, in which you are your own side and literally shut off any other opinion and pass it off as "dumb, stupid or childish".

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lol i was only comments on those who flung insults to get their point across. not everyone. Different thread is a different thread.

You figure people would understand that forums bring the worst outa ppl and take what is said with a grain of salt. If you take how I word my posts to seriously, then I feel for ya. I'm more or less just trying to drum up a good debate. But yes with a lil wenom since I read something I took a bit off offence to. But I have my reasons. If you can't debate or type with out insulting someone expect it right back. I just gave a 1 liner of an opion.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

please tell me you guys know what a video game is and what fun is right? no neec to take a game seriously and make it overly complicated. And insult others for not playing how you want them to.
That is the one thing wrong with the ffxi community. People think they need to be epic to be considered a good player. Good players know what a game is, and what fun is. They are open minded and play win or lose. They fully understand that there is no such thing as wasting time on an mmo, since you waste time playing one. They understand that working as a team is better then being a solo performer.

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Could you stop talking? You're annoying the adults.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

please tell me you guys know what a video game is and what fun is right? no neec to take a game seriously and make it overly complicated. And insult others for not playing how you want them to.
That is the one thing wrong with the ffxi community. People think they need to be epic to be considered a good player. Good players know what a game is, and what fun is. They are open minded and play win or lose. They fully understand that there is no such thing as wasting time on an mmo, since you waste time playing one. They understand that working as a team is better then being a solo performer.

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We're not arguing about what constitutes a "good gamer". We're talking about what constitutes an "efficient gamer" in FFXI. Who says we don't know how to have fun and play this game in that manner? We do. We just do it efficiently. You, however, choose to be a mediocre player, and pretend everyone else is just a bad gamer, because they don't want to play at a low level like yours. A person that may use gear swaps still needs team co-operation -- since when is gear so life-changing that it completely annulls the need for communication between players?
Quite frankly, you're just arguing for the sake of arguing at this point -- just admit fault.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

lol i was only comments on those who flung insults to get their point across. not everyone. Different thread is a different thread.

You figure people would understand that forums bring the worst outa ppl and take what is said with a grain of salt. If you take how I word my posts to seriously, then I feel for ya. I'm more or less just trying to drum up a good debate. But yes with a lil wenom since I read something I took a bit off offence to. But I have my reasons. If you can't debate or type with out insulting someone expect it right back. I just gave a 1 liner of an opion.

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Again, you were the first to "fling an insult". I don't really take you seriously -- in fact, I consider all of your opinions pretty derpy, honestly. I'm actually somewhat ashamed a player of your level exists, and claims to be better than the rest.
Regardless, you do not drum up a debate by shutting down opinions of others, or, as I said earlier, calling them dumb, stupid, etc. You did not debate, you simply slandered other people's views.

Here's a /facepalm moment:

I outposted to the Kuzotz region and ran to Rabao to get my Wind Pendulum only to realize I failed to read the wiki instructions. I was suppose to go back to Koru-Moru, get a cutscene, then go to Rabao. Five minutes wasted!

Alukat provides excellent examples here, Rosina.

I mean no disrespect, but I can't stand people so dense and stubborn to admit that they are wrong. You are wrong to say player skill is everything. It's a large contribution, but gear augments your skill. You can't do a lot of things without the right gear/gear swaps.

Many of us play to have fun, and dying over and over again isn't always a blast.

Its always funny when people say to respect how others like to play the game, etc.

If you want me to respect you not playing efficiently and just for fun, respect me for wanting to play well and my gear swapping.

Just ironic you don't want people to push their way of playing on you, but you want to push your way on others.

I insulted no one yet was insulted by 3 people. Yet you guys question my posts look at yours as well. I type to others on how they typed to me first. Insult me, do not expect me ta be nice. treat me respectfuly chhosing your words, I'm a cute happy kitty. I'm a nice person in reality. Oh and elitist are players who are one track mind. They take this or any gane to seriously making it sound like a job more then a game. These people also force their play styles on other or tell you off (like what you guys have been doing).
You guys seem toforget alot, ALOT has changed since I lasted played. So instead of making insults about my intelligence. How about you politely correct my error. What I said was my personal experience. I also had party members un target if they gear swap. If they changed it great. Tell me nicely instead of assuming I'm pulling stuff outa my rear. You guys do act childish at times in these forums. Like assuming the worst and mocking a person for a mistake or out dated info.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

that is wear decent skill level + gear come in no need to gear swap. tryinbg to "be the best" in an mmo is pipe dream thinking. I just play for fun. Those who take games to seriously shouldn't play them.

I tried not to insult you guys, but you are asking fot it. Youre doing the 1 think I dispise most about this community. And that is the shoving your play style down peoples throats. If you think your better gear swaping, good. I think I'm better with out it. I rely on everyone in my party to be synced to gether and do not try to out perform my party members. Thats how mistakes happen. The best players are the ones who choose when to do something.

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Its not shoving it down other people throuts. Its my 12.95 and my time. So I expect other people to preform at at thier best so we have fun and not waste time by having to keep fighting the mob over and over hoping we can win this time. This is also really importanmt if we have to kill the mob a few dozen times till everyone gets what they want off the mob. I can and so can every other player that knows what is going on if a melee/mage is using gear swaps or not.

Yeah modoru this is the type of player that never got into a real endgame shell and complained about it. I don't mean a endgame shell that did ground or had ground in it but did sea higher tier ZNM low man events and really just got things done with out 30+ people.

To add, they didn't change anything with <stal> its been working all this time. They added that cause of the complaints they got and to combat windower.

I'm just calling you out on all your shit, really. It's not even about you being good or bad. You're just full of shit. Simple as that.

On that note, I have a headache, I can only deal with so much of this in one day. Night guys.

Can you see that most people type rude to you because you don't understand the first time?

@ mod. actualy I wasn't the first to fling an insult. :)
I can't take people seriously who insult players for choice of play like you did or use tween words like derp.
I take pride in my jobs in ffxi And I better myself with out resorting to cheap tatics. I've done a ton of stuff with out gear swaping and did just fine. Heck I did said stuff in crap gear. Tbh gear swaping on was around for my server a good 2 .5 years. So that is 6 years people went with out gear swaping. Sorry but i think your a bad player if your attitude is the pits. Which mod, you got a poor attitude. People like you are why people can't stand getting help or caring to much. Or heck play mmo solo. I do not come on a gamed to deal with people who take a gane so seriously, as they insult a person the way you just did. Dude really grow up. It just a game no need for the poor attitude.