Lower The Minimum Level Required To Enter Abyssea from 30-1

haha love this
edit: this was @Odintius, great idea. but they usualy stay by dominion guy for refresh of page. boo

Don't care to explain?

hardly off topic. go ahead. you seem to say that a lot. and @greatguardian, totally. up until the last skill up patch it would take a while (5+days) to skill up a job from lvl 20~ skills to 90 cap. and i say 20~ not 30 cause most ppl will sync in qufim rather than go to the jungle for the mid late 20s.

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Originally Posted by DrDelicious

hardly off topic. go ahead. you seem to say that a lot. and @greatguardian, totally. up until the last skill up patch it would take a while (5+days) to skill up a job from lvl 20~ skills to 90 cap. and i say 20~ not 30 cause most ppl will sync in qufim rather than go to the jungle for the mid late 20s.

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5+ days? More like 5+ hours.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

5+ days? More like 5+ hours.

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How much time you play dam >.>

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Originally Posted by DrDelicious

hardly off topic. go ahead. you seem to say that a lot. and @greatguardian, totally. up until the last skill up patch it would take a while (5+days) to skill up a job from lvl 20~ skills to 90 cap. and i say 20~ not 30 cause most ppl will sync in qufim rather than go to the jungle for the mid late 20s.

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Even if took you 5 days to skill up a weap from 20-90 cap, it takes significantly longer than 5 days to take a job 20-90 the old way unless you create your own pts and play all day without sleep. And even then you are going to run into bad pts.

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Originally Posted by Odintius

How much time you play dam >.>

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Eh? It taking 5 hours to skill up to cap has nothing to do with how often I play.

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Originally Posted by DrDelicious

hardly off topic. go ahead. you seem to say that a lot. and @greatguardian, totally. up until the last skill up patch it would take a while (5+days) to skill up a job from lvl 20~ skills to 90 cap. and i say 20~ not 30 cause most ppl will sync in qufim rather than go to the jungle for the mid late 20s.

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5days? I don't think you play this game anymore. Even 7 years ago it didn't take 5 days to skill up.

thats assuming your just skilling up 1 weapon. what about a war, who now thanks to abyssea, needs to have several weapons at or above at least 250. preferably capped. and magic skill like elemental magic takes much longer to skill up than melee. i think everyone is looking at this from a melee perspective. im seeing it more from a mage standpoint, where i cant just engage, make a sammich, come back, and engage the next mob. and yes, i do have several melee and mage jobs, so before you say im simplifying it im really not.

Or SE could just do the smart thing and make it 65~70 minimal level for entry so that way people still have to party and actually experience the game first. You can't even hit anything below that range in a Visions area, much less Scars or Heroes so outside of WHM's who have refresh Atmas (or DNC with 10/regain) and possibly BRD & COR no one else has any business being there so early.

DD's won't be able to hit, Tanks will drop like a rock and even BLM's will just get resisted. Plus there's just way too many people blazing through the levels in abyssea then running around at 90 with garbage gear and not knowing how to play their respective jobs.

Magic skills don't take that long to level up. And you can watch a movie while doing it (Hpemdes go), whereas Melees at least have to engage their next target.

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Originally Posted by Malacite

Plus there's just way too many people blazing through the levels in abyssea then running around at 90 with garbage gear and not knowing how to play their respective jobs.

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Too easy. Can't take the bait.

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Originally Posted by Malacite

Or SE could just do the smart thing and make it 65~70 minimal level for entry so that way people still have to party and actually experience the game first. You can't even hit anything below that range in a Visions area, much less Scars or Heroes so outside of WHM's who have refresh Atmas (or DNC with 10/regain) and possibly BRD & COR no one else has any business being there so early.

DD's won't be able to hit, Tanks will drop like a rock and even BLM's will just get resisted. Plus there's just way too many people blazing through the levels in abyssea then running around at 90 with garbage gear and not knowing how to play their respective jobs.

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Because there were no 75s with garbage gear who didnt know how to play their respective jobs before abyssea existed.

I think SE thinks they did the "smart thing" and make it 30 to begin with.
SE wants us to leach if you don't then don't enter abyssea til you are 90.

and in all honesty, i dont even think its about growing scores of people who have no idea what they are doing with their jobs, or underskilled players. i think the issue behind the issue is about pride. people used to have pride in having multiple 75. it used to mean something. and now you can just leech your way to a capped level. theres nothing to be proud of. i honestly think that is the real issue behind the whole abyssea level cap debate.

Seeing as magic can't actually *miss* not elemental magic of which you speak of. To be honest, if you have at least one friend, you can just go through all of the zones and constantly spam tier 1 spells and skill up until you can land decent nukes in abyssea and then raise it to cap. And that shouldn't take 5 days.

I've said this before, while the people wanting Abyssea to be endgame; your a minority but I gurantee there are at least six of you always online at a time. Just do a shout in Port Jeuno for other parties.

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Originally Posted by DrDelicious

and in all honesty, i dont even think its about growing scores of people who have no idea what they are doing with their jobs, or underskilled players. i think the issue behind the issue is about pride. people used to have pride in having multiple 75. it used to mean something. and now you can just leech your way to a capped level. theres nothing to be proud of. i honestly think that is the real issue behind the whole abyssea level cap debate.

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Half right. People did used to have pride in having 75 jobs. That doesn't mean that it ever meant anything. Those people were silly then for thinking it earned them bragging rights, and they're silly now for caring about losing said bragging rights.

My opinion and im stress the my opinion here lol 1-60 should be for outside of abyssea then have access to abyssea.

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Originally Posted by Odintius

My opinion and im stress the my opinion here lol 1-60 should be for outside of abyssea then have access to abyssea.

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Why? What is wrong with the current level 30 cap?

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Half right. People did used to have pride in having 75 jobs. That doesn't mean that it ever meant anything. Those people were silly then for thinking it earned them bragging rights, and they're silly now for caring about losing said bragging rights.

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well the people who just Ab'd jobs up for maats cap? yea. not too worried about them. im talking about people who would have a few capped jobs, and have them fully geared and were capable at them. those are the players im talking about. and sadly, most of them have left.

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Originally Posted by Gunit

Why? What is wrong with the current level 30 cap?

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theres a few threads on that debate, or you could just read this thread.

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Originally Posted by DrDelicious

well the people who just Ab'd jobs up for maats cap? yea. not too worried about them. im talking about people who would have a few capped jobs, and have them fully geared and were capable at them. those are the players im talking about. and sadly, most of them have left.

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Getting a job to 75 and gearing a job correctly at 75 is a lot different

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Originally Posted by DrDelicious

theres a few threads on that debate, or you could just read this thread.

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Or maybe you should none of them have any reasons with merit to change the cap.

I don't think that leveling slowly through to the level cap gives you skill in playing the game. I think that it is like earning a black belt in martial arts. When you get a black belt you have trained enough to learn how to apply the martial art. When you get a job to cap you are ready to learn how to play. I don't know anyone who knew how to play the game when they hit the cap. It took doing endgame events after hitting the cap for them to truly understand the depth and width of what that job had to offer.

If someone is just leveling a job for kicks and doesn't plan on using it after they hit the cap I don't see the problem with them being under-skilled.

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Originally Posted by DrDelicious

well the people who just Ab'd jobs up for maats cap? yea. not too worried about them. im talking about people who would have a few capped jobs, and have them fully geared and were capable at them. those are the players im talking about. and sadly, most of them have left.

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No, you misunderstand me. I've been playing since Oct '03. Once Oct '04 came around, it was no longer a big deal. Tons of people liked to think that they were cool because they had 75's, but that never really gave them any sort of bragging rights. Since when has "I have 6 75's, therefore I know more than you" ever been acceptable in any sort of intelligent discussion?

Hint: It hasn't.

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Originally Posted by Gunit

Or maybe you should none of them have any reasons with merit to change the cap.

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Quoted for truth.

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Originally Posted by HFX7686

I don't think that leveling slowly through to the level cap gives you skill in playing the game. I think that it is like earning a black belt in martial arts. When you get a black belt you have trained enough to learn how to apply the martial art. When you get a job to cap you are ready to learn how to play. I don't know anyone who knew how to play the game when they hit the cap. It took doing endgame events after hitting the cap for them to truly understand the depth and width of what that job had to offer.

If someone is just leveling a job for kicks and doesn't plan on using it after they hit the cap I don't see the problem with them being under-skilled.

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my point exactly. just dont do it in my xp party please. abyssea is a great addition to the game, but it has made players too dependent on the buffs that they receive in abyssea. hate control, mp conservation, skillchains, things of the past.
and with the martial arts thing, on your road to black belt you learn everything you need to know when you get your BB. and id like to think that was the correlation you were going for. most training after that is a refining of those skills you learned.

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Originally Posted by HFX7686

I don't think that leveling slowly through to the level cap gives you skill in playing the game. I think that it is like earning a black belt in martial arts. When you get a black belt you have trained enough to learn how to apply the martial art. When you get a job to cap you are ready to learn how to play. I don't know anyone who knew how to play the game when they hit the cap. It took doing endgame events after hitting the cap for them to truly understand the depth and width of what that job had to offer.

If someone is just leveling a job for kicks and doesn't plan on using it after they hit the cap I don't see the problem with them being under-skilled.

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Agree it's the one who are planning to use that job for end game that are under skilled is an issue my opinion of course.

I'm a level 90 WHM. It was level 75 years before the level cap increase. I play WHM all the time. Sometimes I play RDM but mostly WHM. My healing magic skill has never, ever been capped. I think it is about 50 points below cap as of right now and I don't know many people who have it higher than I do.

Skill levels are sometimes subjective. Obviously not always. I wouldn't particularly care if a BRD did not have their dagger skill maxed out for example (extreme example obviously).

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

No, you misunderstand me. I've been playing since Oct '03. Once Oct '04 came around, it was no longer a big deal. Tons of people liked to think that they were cool because they had 75's, but that never really gave them any sort of bragging rights. Since when has "I have 6 75's, therefore I know more than you" ever been acceptable in any sort of intelligent discussion?

Hint: It hasn't.

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ive always judged people on how they play, not based on who had what leveled. ive met some people in jungle parties that were much more capable and smart and knew their jobs better than people with several capped jobs. it is all based on the players, if they suck a their job, capped or not, they suck. gear, skills and job level wont change that.
i think it was a comedian who said it best, something along the lines of you cant fix stupid. i think he hit the nail on the head with that statement.

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Originally Posted by Odintius

Agree it's the one who are planning to use that job for end game that are under skilled is an issue my opinion of course.

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to be honest that is my main problem as well, heck I plan on trying out this "leeching" thing myself with my NIN....... I hate NIN -.- just want to get it to 49 and skill it up to max and be done with it.

I nominate Gunit as the troll of this board and Kuishen on his Bandwagon woot lol.... hmmm is your time this valuable to rant on about useless arguments. Cuz SE is the only one that can change this talk to them about it, and quit using up all there Bandwith lol.

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Originally Posted by Boldheart

and quit using up all there Bandwith lol.

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I highly doubt SE is too concerned about their bandwidth usage.

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Originally Posted by DrDelicious

ive always judged people on how they play, not based on who had what leveled. ive met some people in jungle parties that were much more capable and smart and knew their jobs better than people with several capped jobs. it is all based on the players, if they suck a their job, capped or not, they suck. gear, skills and job level wont change that.
i think it was a comedian who said it best, something along the lines of you cant fix stupid. i think he hit the nail on the head with that statement.

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No, I agree with you completely on this. I was just pointing out what seems to be a driving force behind a lot of people on these boards: The assumption that having a level 75 job or beating maat gave them special bragging rights that are being lost now that these things are more common, when in fact those things were never really brag-worthy anyways.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

No, I agree with you completely on this. I was just pointing out what seems to be a driving force behind a lot of people on these boards: The assumption that having a level 75 job or beating maat gave them special bragging rights that are being lost now that these things are more common, when in fact those things were never really brag-worthy anyways.

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yeah, THOSE people were the bags -o- douche that would tell a thf who to sata when their thief is only lvl 15. and theyre rational was that they had w, x, y, and z jobs leveled. ive met those people and im glad they can no longer brag about that. but coming from someone who solo'd 2 jobs to 75, (blm and nin) and solo'd all my merits for blm, i can tell you its a little sad that someone can do what i did in less time than i could get 10 merits. i used to love this game for the challenge of it, and yes, the grinding did suck, but i still did it. i just hope that lvl 99 provides some better challenges for us, both in and out of abyssea.

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Originally Posted by Boldheart

I nominate Gunit as the troll of this board and Kuishen on his Bandwagon woot lol.... hmmm is your time this valuable to rant on about useless arguments. Cuz SE is the only one that can change this talk to them about it, and quit using up all there Bandwith lol.

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I dont understand where I am ranting?
or Trolling for that matter
I have no problem with the way SE current has abyssea I am just trying to understand the reasons people what it changed.

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Originally Posted by HFX7686

I'm a level 90 WHM. It was level 75 years before the level cap increase. I play WHM all the time. Sometimes I play RDM but mostly WHM. My healing magic skill has never, ever been capped. I think it is about 50 points below cap as of right now and I don't know many people who have it higher than I do.

Skill levels are sometimes subjective. Obviously not always. I wouldn't particularly care if a BRD did not have their dagger skill maxed out for example (extreme example obviously).

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White mage and support job type's yes you don't necessarily need max skills to perform there jobs it the melee who can't hit the broad side of a barn with food that worries me.

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Originally Posted by Odintius

White mage and support job type's yes you don't necessarily need max skills to perform there jobs it the melee who can't hit the broad side of a barn with food that worries me.

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Melees bad enough to not have skilled weapons actually use food?

Heck, bad players with capped skills actually use food?

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Originally Posted by DrDelicious

yeah, THOSE people were the bags -o- douche that would tell a thf who to sata when their thief is only lvl 15. and theyre rational was that they had w, x, y, and z jobs leveled. ive met those people and im glad they can no longer brag about that. but coming from someone who solo'd 2 jobs to 75, (blm and nin) and solo'd all my merits for blm, i can tell you its a little sad that someone can do what i did in less time than i could get 10 merits. i used to love this game for the challenge of it, and yes, the grinding did suck, but i still did it. i just hope that lvl 99 provides some better challenges for us, both in and out of abyssea.

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I believe you call that jealousy.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Melees bad enough to not have skilled weapons actually use food?

Heck, bad players with capped skills actually use food?

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Wouldn't suprise me lol

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Originally Posted by Mrbeansman

I believe you call that jealousy.

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jealousy? hardly. id just like to see players um-gimp themselves by seeing more non-abyssea content. atmas have become a crutch, and its becoming a serious problem. the xp boon in abyssea changed xp forever, and even if they took it up to 75, there would be so many players bitching about having to grind they would bring it back down. no one wants to grind, and the people who are saying bring the cap up, are mostly the old school people who actually did have to grind. but it taught you to be cautious. because xp WAS precious. a blm would spend a whole day on puddings getting their buffer back. now, its a 30 run in a dominion party. you die now, no big deal, but it used to be. and thats the problem.