Nyzul Isle Uncharted information and feedback

My question is why didn't they make the reward system something like this:
Floor 20 Boss: 75% NQ, 20% +1, 5% +2
Floor 40 Boss: 10% NQ, 50% +1, 30% +2, 10% +3
Floor 60 Boss: 10% +1, 50% +2, 30% +3, 10% +4
Floor 80 Boss: 10% +2, 50% +3, 30% +4, 10% HQ
Floor 100 Boss: 30% +4, 70% HQ

Of course the percentages could tweaked but the bottom line is there should be a chance at a better tier reward that varies with how high you go. It's still luck based but it gives more players hope than merely the highly skilled with third party tools.

I understand and agree with you Karb. My point is, is that if this forum is supposed to be a form of communication between players and devs. we're not doing a very good job of synchronizing our desires to them. I could do a quick search and find 5+ large threads in the last few months about ppl telling the devs there is no challenge for them in the game they want more. The devs put in something akin to the old FFXI style (which is what they wanted) and now they don't like it. All I'm saying is, it doesn't help our cause towards bettering the game when many of the biggest posters flip flop every other week. If the devs didn't listen to stuff about events before, us just sitting here going back and fourth in a big circle isn't going to spur them to listen to us now.

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Originally Posted by Sesh

I understand and agree with you Karb. My point is, is that if this forum is supposed to be a form of communication between players and devs. we're not doing a very good job of synchronizing our desires to them. I could do a quick search and find 5+ large threads in the last few months about ppl telling the devs there is no challenge for them in the game they want more. The devs put in something akin to the old FFXI style (which is what they wanted) and now they don't like it. All I'm saying is, it doesn't help our cause towards bettering the game when many of the biggest posters flip flop every other week. If the devs didn't listen to stuff about events before, us just sitting here going back and fourth in a big circle isn't going to spur them to listen to us now.

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Honestly i think it boils down too, People don't know what they want.

That, and I've made quite a few suggestions over the past few days regarding improvements that would make Neo-Nyzul friendly for every player. But its feedback they won't consider. We can't really communicate with the dev team when, ever answer they give us basically breaks down too:

"Well, Our vision was (insert idiotic train of thought a 3 year old would question), Balance, So your suggestions are going into a fire, We don't care if you hate it, Our vision > what you want".

I.E The key reason FFXIV sucked. They ignore feedback, and try to explain to us their vision as if that makes things suddenly okay.

Sorry to ramble. I know some of you really still like FFXI, But your liking it isn't going to stop it from slowly losing players. You won't be having any fun when they close the servers because the majority of the population is fed up and quits.

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This is a different group then the first ones to listen on the board, this dev team doesn't care about the non-Japanese speaking players. All their updates and concerns so far have been directed at the JP player base with us getting a translation of their response.

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This too, and its glaringly obvious.

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Originally Posted by Sesh

I understand and agree with you Karb. My point is, is that if this forum is supposed to be a form of communication between players and devs. we're not doing a very good job of synchronizing our desires to them. I could do a quick search and find 5+ large threads in the last few months about ppl telling the devs there is no challenge for them in the game they want more. The devs put in something akin to the old FFXI style (which is what they wanted) and now they don't like it. All I'm saying is, it doesn't help our cause towards bettering the game when many of the biggest posters flip flop every other week. If the devs didn't listen to stuff about events before, us just sitting here going back and fourth in a big circle isn't going to spur them to listen to us now.

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Except this board isn't a form of communication between the two. It's a media outlet for SE to inform us of their upcoming changes, our feedback is neither solicited nor desired. The JP's feedback is listened to, but only marginally.

This is a different group then the first ones to listen on the board, this dev team doesn't care about the non-Japanese speaking players. All their updates and concerns so far have been directed at the JP player base with us getting a translation of their response.

Eh.

Define skill.

Is it the ability to follow a map/route that works 100% of the time?

The ability to follow directions from a wiki/BG?

Is it the ability to practice something until it's second nature?

Skill, at its core, is about decision making under duress.

So, what's required for an event to test skill?

First: Decision making. The event has to be dynamic. If it's something you can farm the exact same way every time, it does not require skill. A squadron of Chimpanzees could be trained to do old Dynamis.

Second: Duress. If you're able to sit down, grab a scone, and surf the web while thinking about what to do next then the event isn't testing your skill - it's testing your patience. In order for the duress to be real, there has to be a time limit that the player is in danger of failing if the decision is not made quickly.

The player must be forced to make a decision faster than they are typically comfortable with if their skill is to be challenged.

How is this best applied on a strategic level? Exactly the way they did it, actually. Random clear conditions and pathos on each floor combined random floor progression require players to make difficult decisions and cost/benefit analyses while in an extreme time crunch.

I like the concept and I can understand where the Devs are coming from. However, I do think that the difficulty is a tad high due to sheer player speed limitations. Adding 5 minute time extensions that drop from bosses (20, 40, 60, 80 only) would allow for additional dynamic decision making without making Nyzul "easier", while still allowing top-tier groups more consistent access (as in, >1% odds) to floor 100.

Likewise, the Devs may want to consider adding secondary objectives to floors which, when completed, could award the player some bonus such as 30 second time extensions or Party Regain. Think along the lines of "Primary Objective: Defeat Specified Enemies. Secondary Objective: Avoid Detection by Enemies. Reward: +30 seconds". Players who take the time to avoid aggro and only pull monsters may be rewarded with an extra 30 seconds. It's up to the players to determine whether they are spending more time than they gain by completing each objective, etc.

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Originally Posted by Atoreis

Reward Reward Reward Items Items Items is all I can see. Seriously none can look a little deeper and see how cool to play is that event? Who fcking care if you gonna get the item after month or three when playing this event is actually a FUN and EXCITEMENT and this is what you should be looking into MMO.

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Whats to look deep at. All it added to the OLD nyzul was it can now bone you by over shooting the floor you want.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Eh.

Define skill.

Is it the ability to follow a map/route that works 100% of the time?

The ability to follow directions from a wiki/BG?

Is it the ability to practice something until it's second nature?

Skill, at its core, is about decision making under duress.

So, what's required for an event to test skill?

First: Decision making. The event has to be dynamic. If it's something you can farm the exact same way every time, it does not require skill. A squadron of Chimpanzees could be trained to do old Dynamis.

Second: Duress. If you're able to sit down, grab a scone, and surf the web while thinking about what to do next then the event isn't testing your skill - it's testing your patience. In order for the duress to be real, there has to be a time limit that the player is in danger of failing if the decision is not made quickly.

The player must be forced to make a decision faster than they are typically comfortable with if their skill is to be challenged.

How is this best applied on a strategic level? Exactly the way they did it, actually. Random clear conditions and pathos on each floor combined random floor progression require players to make difficult decisions and cost/benefit analyses while in an extreme time crunch.

I like the concept and I can understand where the Devs are coming from. However, I do think that the difficulty is a tad high due to sheer player speed limitations. Adding 5 minute time extensions that drop from bosses (20, 40, 60, 80 only) would allow for additional dynamic decision making without making Nyzul "easier", while still allowing top-tier groups more consistent access (as in, >1% odds) to floor 100.

Likewise, the Devs may want to consider adding secondary objectives to floors which, when completed, could award the player some bonus such as 30 second time extensions or Party Regain. Think along the lines of "Primary Objective: Defeat Specified Enemies. Secondary Objective: Avoid Detection by Enemies. Reward: +30 seconds". Players who take the time to avoid aggro and only pull monsters may be rewarded with an extra 30 seconds. It's up to the players to determine whether they are spending more time than they gain by completing each objective, etc.

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I completely agree, I also think that TEs at certain points would during the run would be the perfect balance to help us get to floor 100. I wonder if we made a 1000 post thread calling for something to that affect, if they would listen to us like with click&buy. If not maybe we should all just post using google translate :P.

@Karb. maybe we our only hope for the next 10 years is Bethesda turning Skyrim into a MMO. Or buying out SE and replacing the dev team XD.

I'd do new-NI 30 times with the current reward structure before I'd do THF AF quests again. It's more fun.

Surprised that the tier 1 armour wasn't the drop from level 80 and the next three tiers upgraded through Magian Trials with Alexandrite (which naturally would have an increased drop rate through the event).

Level 100 would contain the challenge requested by the Magian Trial to upgrade the gear that final stage to tier 5.

Maybe that's just too much like Abyssea/Dyna and they wanted to move away from that style of content for the purposes of mixing things up...

I love how they say that they don't cater these events toward players with relic/emp/mythic weapons when it's pretty much impossible to do them well without.

well i think the deves are a little off on there averages math for this event 2-9 on ??? means average of 5.5, and back in the old day of nyzul isle it took a good party to always get 10 floors and still have enough time for that boss, I remember quite a few times winning by the skin of my teeth at 75 in time, any how my law of averages your average run would get you to floor 55, or floor 60(no time for boss sometimes tho). So off the bat look at only a 50/50 chance with average luck and team that knows how to work together to get 60, since it seems there goal was to make 60 there average an easy fix would be to change the ??? to 3-9.

hmmm o and for my own 2 cents se think it might be possible to make the temps we dint use save tell are next run.....

Man all I wanted was some old school nyvule grinding with new gear and some kind daily progression, bleh
reminds me of how I felt just before WoE came out.. I was soo pumped I was like OMG limbus V2 , and then that garbage was released. what a waste of cool looking zones

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Originally Posted by Camate

In order to progress further, in addition to fire power and battle strategy, luck plays a role as well as taking risks to get to the next floor and aim for good rewards.

As a general guideline, the system has been balanced in such a way so that once you have gotten used to it, you should be able to reach floor 60. If you try really hard, you can get to floor 80, and then if luck is on your side you will able to reach floor 100.

Depending on the situation there of course might be cases where you will not be able to reach your target floor and there is no guarantee that you will reach floor 80/100 each time. This is why the rewards become more attractive as you reach higher floors.

Based on the above, we do not have any plans at the moment to ease the difficulty. In the event that we did reduce the difficulty, we would also have to lower the stats on the reward items.

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Luck should never play a role in actual game content, need i point out luck already plays a huge role in: drop rate, the fact there is 3 sets of armour and you might only want one piece of one set, and the fact you will be lotting against 5 other players.

requiring risk is fine but requiring luck does not = requiring risk. risk implies choice, I.E once you reach floor 99 you should get a free room(like the ones in the old nyzul isle). There you could put this spare treasure casket for rewards irrelevant to floors you were talking about. Then from the runic portal you could have the choice to either exit, proceed to floor ???(skipping floor 100), or proceed to floor 100. Floor 100 being a battlefield event similar to a BCNM. With severe limits like no subjob or very restricted time limit (seperate time limit from the rest of the floors). with a strong boss and good drops, then once you finish it the rune could go back to exit, or ??? floor, ??? floor returning you to the normal nyzul uncharted floors with your remaining time before you went into 100.

as for making the treasure worse, first off that's unfair on people who already have obtained the gear, second off we don't want it to be a walk in the park, but we don't want it to be a dice roll on if we get to floor 100. Don't you have people paid to find the middle ground for that? tell them to do their job.

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I wouldn't mind this event if the people I went with actually invited people that understood their job/gear/lamps. Its so frustrating when im killin shit in 1-2 ws and this other sam is still using gekko with his kiku and getting killed trying to find lamps because he isnt using sneak/invis. I look like an asshole if i deny people too for not being good enough and then i get called an "elitist" lol. Bottom line is...this event is not made for noobs. It can be very rewarding, just like VW if your dedicated and skilled. Just takes TIME and LUCK and SKILL..like EVERY event in this game.

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Originally Posted by Fupafighter

I wouldn't mind this event if the people I went with actually invited people that understood their job/gear/lamps. Its so frustrating when im killin shit in 1-2 ws and this other sam is still using gekko with his kiku and getting killed trying to find lamps because he isnt using sneak/invis. I look like an asshole if i deny people too for not being good enough and then i get called an "elitist" lol. Bottom line is...this event is not made for noobs. It can be very rewarding, just like VW if your dedicated and skilled. Just takes TIME and LUCK and SKILL..like EVERY event in this game.

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Not every event has the stringent time constraints of Nyzul. Most events that do, offer TE to help out. The nice thing about TE is they are predictable in general. In Nyzul your only way to progress faster is a luck based 2-9 floor jump.

What SE needs to do is record your boss wins on a Runic disc. Once you defeat a level 20 boss your jumps will be 3-9. Once you defeat a level 40 boss, your jumps will be 5-9. After a level 60 boss, 7-9. Then after an 80 boss your jumps will be 9 at a time. This may make it too easy for the people with cheats, but for console players and PC players that just use simple windower mods, its still going to be a challenge.

At least there would a be a sense of progression knowing your jumps to 100 get easier with successive boss victories.

Did several runs recently and this was my take on the situation of the content: Tons of fun and requires you to have a very specific build to handle the types of scenario or NM you'll run into, but poorly designed to keep the masses interested because one tiny mistake/bad floor is the difference between getting floor ~40 or reaching 60. I've not seen higher than 60 myself due to the constant fl 20 or 40 boss with locked WS, or in the rare case of hitting kill leader and it being a rat that must have eva bonus 9 or something (literally had less than 50% accuracy rating on this NM).

Out of 10 boss I've fought so far, 4 of them haven't dropped anything at all (fl20 and 40 boss) and only 3 of them actually dropped gear. The rest only dropped pouches. All of the new NM's that we got ??? from all appraised to lvl 1-10 items (seriously? We are doing lvl 99 content and getting this still?). This is with players that have Emps, relics, and are well geared for it......and we are left with content that relies on extreme luck to get above floor 60, and common luck to get to 60, but can also hit you with situations where you'll be lucky to hit fl40. This leaves the likely hood of getting 100 drops nearly unobtainable and +3's the best most can hope for if extremely lucky.

Not only this, but it relies on the fact people will need to abuse certain game mechanics to consistently hit the higher floors. I'm all for hard content, but there has to be a higher chance of obtaining the final goal than it is currently. I get that the gear is "that good" but if the probability of hitting floor 100 due to the time constraint and getting extremely lucky is virtually 0% then what good is having that as a reward if no one can get to it even a handful of times out of 40 or 50 tries.

We already have artificial blockers in the form of Assault tags, which still take a day to refresh 1 at a time, then we have a 30min timer to beat, and only get a max of 9 floors skipped at a time. There is no way to increase the number of times you can go within a 24hour window like VWNM or abyssea (with refresh down KI maxed) and no time extensions to stay in longer than the absolute 30 minutes.....so what is with the level of difficulty in hitting fl 80 and 100?

Also, it has nothing to do with people not understanding their jobs/gear/lamps so much as it has to do with absolute amount of luck you need. A handful of the runs I was on we hit order lamps (4-5 lamps) or Kill all floors several times in a row, and no it isn't that order lamps are hard either so much as the floors to get to them had imps around them require they be killed/slept. Even with a well geared blu and sam destroying mobs left and right hitting the 2.5min/floor mark on a kill all floor is not possible, especially multiple floors in a row. It would be better if the floor jumps could be augmented to be more consistantly higher rather than high low low low high. Extremely good luck with floor goal and skips shouldn't be the primary factor on difficulty when there is already fairly challenging NMs you can run into including floor boss with locked WS/magic, and yes I've seen both (not at same time, just one or the other) on a floor boss so far.

Hi, guys. I am one of Japanese player. I'd like to hear from you guys. Do you enjoy new Nyzul content?
We Japanese players have been told our opinions to the development team about this content, but they dont listen to us.
What do you think about the development team?

Cosign on pretty much everything Kitkat said. The artificial blockers are particularly egregious here.

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Originally Posted by Gukumatz

Hi, guys. I am one of Japanese player. I'd like to hear from you guys. Do you enjoy new Nyzul content?
We Japanese players have been told our opinions to the development team about this content, but they dont listen to us.
What do you think about the development team?

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99% of us Hate it. 1% like it.

give or take 1%

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Originally Posted by Gukumatz

Hi, guys. I am one of Japanese player. I'd like to hear from you guys. Do you enjoy new Nyzul content?
We Japanese players have been told our opinions to the development team about this content, but they dont listen to us.
What do you think about the development team?

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憎悪

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

99% of us Hate it. 1% like it.

give or take 1%

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I like the concept. I think the execution could use work. The test server version of Neo Nyzul was a fairly poor representation of the finished product, as it allowed for various debug cheats, and thus we were rendered incapable of providing proper feedback on the difficulty in the event's testing phase.

Luck has to be involved somewhere, otherwise the event wouldn't be dynamic. Choices have to be made on the fly in order to challenge players. Luck, however, should not be the deciding factor in winning or losing. That should be based on the choices the player makes in response to their luck.

It should not be common to lose when players make all of the right decisions. The challenge should be in forcing the players to make difficult decisions, decisions that are more complicated that right/left, black/white, and making the determination of the "Right" choice difficult.

Sometimes, things will just all go the wrong way at the same time and even the best groups will fail. These should be the exception and not the rule, however.

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Originally Posted by Gukumatz

Hi, guys. I am one of Japanese player. I'd like to hear from you guys. Do you enjoy new Nyzul content?
We Japanese players have been told our opinions to the development team about this content, but they dont listen to us.
What do you think about the development team?

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Our "community representatives" have hinted (in this thread) that they will add a voucher system to Nyzul Isle that gives you credit for floor clears and lets you pick out an armor that you want, kind of like the proposed Voidwatch voucher system.
* If it is 1 floor clear = 1 armor of your choice, I think that the event would be okay without any further changes.
* If it is 2 floor clears = 1 armor of your choice, I would still do it but I don't think it would be popular.
* If it is 5 floor clears = 1 armor of your choice, I think the event would suck and no one would do it.
The odds of getting to 100 are too low, and players do not want to aim for only +3 armor.

We get the impression that the development team also does not listen to the NA community. They often make statements about job direction in response to questions that no one would ask.

You know some people will get to floor 100. Until then just keep trying for 60-80 gear. thats definately achievable by good groups.

i think TE would be a really good idea not tons of time but completing certain bonus objectives on certain floors can get you can extra 5 mins or 10 mins

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

99% of us Hate it. 1% like it.

give or take 1%

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OCCUPY THE 1%! >.> <.< >.>

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Originally Posted by Corydor

i think TE would be a really good idea not tons of time but completing certain bonus objectives on certain floors can get you can extra 5 mins or 10 mins

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I think it would be better to increase the chance of free floors, instead of extra time. It's an existing mechanism in Nyzul, and does essentially the same.

Ofcourse, there are other gimmicks they could employ. Small gimmicks you can't build a tactic on, but work in your favor if they do. For example, bring a BLU and if the fight involves soulflayers, they would occasionally get staggered. Bring a PUP, and the maton will occasionally sync with the lamps on a lamp floor when the master touches a lamp, unlocking the next floor, etc.

What I thought would be nice would be a counter you got on each floor so say after floor 1 you have 1 counter and the next floor whatever it is you have 2 and it would add up, then allowing you to spend any number of those counters only once to do an exact jump. I think this would help people reach bosses at least every run maybe not guarantee floor 100 or floor 80 but it would make the runs not so horrible in that aspect. Another thing I've heard others say is allowing us to go backwards due to sometimes you end up overshooting a boss floor because it finally decided to give you a nine jump and you couldnt afford to go up 8 floors one at a time. Both of those ideas sound like good ways to do it without increasing time if SE really thinks giving us more time is too broken.

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Originally Posted by Staren

What I thought would be nice would be a counter you got on each floor so say after floor 1 you have 1 counter and the next floor whatever it is you have 2 and it would add up, then allowing you to spend any number of those counters only once to do an exact jump. I think this would help people reach bosses at least every run maybe not guarantee floor 100 or floor 80 but it would make the runs not so horrible in that aspect. Another thing I've heard others say is allowing us to go backwards due to sometimes you end up overshooting a boss floor because it finally decided to give you a nine jump and you couldnt afford to go up 8 floors one at a time. Both of those ideas sound like good ways to do it without increasing time if SE really thinks giving us more time is too broken.

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No, because it still rewards sheer luck to get to 80 or 100. Luck should never be present doubly; right now you'd be "lucky" to get to 80 or 100 then even "luckier" to get the piece that you actually wanted. That's ridiculous. .01% drop rates on content that is time restricted and takes a specific group of people is stupid. It just screams "lol we know you're addicted so give us your money".

First small fixes seems to be the best we're going to get so it only seems smart to start thinking of ones that SE might actually think are small enough to help and not strong enough to hurt.

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Originally Posted by Genostar

.01% drop rates on content that is time restricted and takes a specific group of people is stupid."

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Did you not do Dynamis back at 75 before the update? I know I ran a dyna group for 2-3 years and I know that alot of people looked at D.Chap as having that drop rate. Dyna also required a pretty specific setup and I'm comparing this to old dyna as your dd's/healers were pretty much interchangable whereas with abyssea where jobs were set to a solid setup of 4. No one was clamoring for old dyna to be completely abolished back then (which oddly enough it ended up being completely redone which only shows SE's odd sense of things not that I'm complaining). Back at 75 doing 5 floors in nyzul without a proper setup and good group was a ridiculous chore and there were weekends where 1 of your 4 runs didnt get you to the floor you needed or you went 4/4 on no drops. I dont know how long you've been playing but this is not new. Telling them to completely redo this is more stupid (with their track record) than proposing small changes to make it better.

by the way did someone say that you only jump 2 to 9 floors on a ???, i did it with a pickup party the other day and we jump from floor 25 to 43, we had just missed floor 20 and was upset we were aiming for floor 40 and completely over shot in one jump we were all in shock since it jumped near enough 18 floors >.>

yet another event that SE's random number generator has destroyed. When will they learn that players want an event that takes skill, not luck, to complete.

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Originally Posted by Staren

First small fixes seems to be the best we're going to get so it only seems smart to start thinking of ones that SE might actually think are small enough to help and not strong enough to hurt.

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Did you not do Dynamis back at 75 before the update? I know I ran a dyna group for 2-3 years and I know that alot of people looked at D.Chap as having that drop rate. Dyna also required a pretty specific setup and I'm comparing this to old dyna as your dd's/healers were pretty much interchangable whereas with abyssea where jobs were set to a solid setup of 4. No one was clamoring for old dyna to be completely abolished back then (which oddly enough it ended up being completely redone which only shows SE's odd sense of things not that I'm complaining). Back at 75 doing 5 floors in nyzul without a proper setup and good group was a ridiculous chore and there were weekends where 1 of your 4 runs didnt get you to the floor you needed or you went 4/4 on no drops. I dont know how long you've been playing but this is not new. Telling them to completely redo this is more stupid (with their track record) than proposing small changes to make it better.

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The problem with the new Nyzul compaed to old content is not the RNG per se but the total dependence on it. Older content had a sense of progression. You'd do 4 runs of Nyzul and most of the time you were closer to getting your runic disc to 100. You'd do Dynamis and in most shells you gained points that got you closer to lotting that Duelist Chapeau. Same with Sky and Sea and other HNM shells. Einherjar got you closer to Odin's chamber and gave you ichor. Limbus got you closer to Proto-Ultima and Omega and gave you ABC's.

This new Nyzul is a total crap shoot and likely impossible for the more casual groups to get anywhere near level 60 on a routine basis. Sure you get a bit of alexandrite but for most people thats just fodder for bazaaring since so few are working on Mythics.

Hello, guys Im Japanese Final　FantasyXI　player.

I was very disappointed at neo nyzul isle.
The development team has said that they renew other contents, for exaple Limbus, Einherjar and more.
Do you expect other contents renewal?

I think　I am not expectable.
For me, at least it was disappointed about neo nyzul isle.

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Originally Posted by Corydor

by the way did someone say that you only jump 2 to 9 floors on a ???, i did it with a pickup party the other day and we jump from floor 25 to 43, we had just missed floor 20 and was upset we were aiming for floor 40 and completely over shot in one jump we were all in shock since it jumped near enough 18 floors >.>

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You would be the 1st reported case of someone jumping more then 9 floor at one setting. Maybe this is possible and is where the LUCK factor come into play.

SE, LUCK should not be a factor to determining whether we can even reach the 100th Floor at all. Especially given that floor bosses so far are not 100% on drop [that and given what Camate has stated, I'm going to assume that 100th Floor Boss isn't 100% drop either].

Most of us aren't asking for a hand-it-to-me easy mode of Nysul Isle, but what we want is a REALISTIC way to reach Floor 100th on a somewhat consistent basis not this lottery like way to determine whether you can even face the 100th Floor Boss.

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Originally Posted by YJM5150

Hello, guys Im Japanese Final　FantasyXI　player.

I was very disappointed at neo nyzul isle.
The development team has said that they renew other contents, for exaple Limbus, Einherjar and more.
Do you expect other contents renewal?

I think　I am not expectable.
For me, at least it was disappointed about neo nyzul isle.

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Quite a few people are dissapointed. I've had hard time convincing my friends to even try it out after they've heard how SE has set it up. We gave it a shot and not planning on going back any soon. Odds are sooo against us there in every way. Lousy token reward, lousy alexandrite count, lousy rewards from floor other than 100 and few of 80. It's not like any of us need 1000 tokens, 2 alex per person or 90% of the new town gear from it.
It's just past midnight JP time, on my server there are 12 people in Nyzul Isle zone right now, two of them SCH. Some keep trying desperately.
If Ffxiah.com set an achievement for hitting F100, that'd me more incentive to push for it than anything SE has put in this event so far, I'd say.

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Originally Posted by Sesh

maybe we our only hope for the next 10 years is Bethesda turning Skyrim into a MMO. Or buying out SE and replacing the dev team XD.

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Perhaps your hope, but I, for one, can't see the latter even remotely a good idea. ^^;

As for their own MMO, that wouldn't affect me the slightest methinks, so yeah...


As for the topic, I don't think there's much more to say, that has not been said already.

Random != Challenge
Time-sink != Fun
Random + Time-sink != Balance

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Originally Posted by Corydor

by the way did someone say that you only jump 2 to 9 floors on a ???, i did it with a pickup party the other day and we jump from floor 25 to 43, we had just missed floor 20 and was upset we were aiming for floor 40 and completely over shot in one jump we were all in shock since it jumped near enough 18 floors >.>

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POIDH. Period.

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Originally Posted by Kristal

I think it would be better to increase the chance of free floors, instead of extra time. It's an existing mechanism in Nyzul, and does essentially the same.

Ofcourse, there are other gimmicks they could employ. Small gimmicks you can't build a tactic on, but work in your favor if they do. For example, bring a BLU and if the fight involves soulflayers, they would occasionally get staggered. Bring a PUP, and the maton will occasionally sync with the lamps on a lamp floor when the master touches a lamp, unlocking the next floor, etc.

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I'll pass. Unless you want them to include 20 different random nyzul gimmicks, either way it's just a bad idea. It's blatantly obvious that you just want to give "lulz" jobs a reason to show up to nyzul, despite the fact that BLU and PUP are some of the best Nyzul Isle DDs in the game. Job-specific procs are bad and you should feel bad for suggesting them.

Ｔｈａｎｋ ｙｏｕ for your reply.
We Japanese players are the same feeling with you.

I haven't logged in in 2 weeks. I am exactly as close to getting a floor 100 drop as everyone else in this thread. Great game design.

Its only 30 minutes a day you know...how long do alot of these actually well geared skilled players play per day? 4-5 hours lol?.... I dont think they will change this anytime soon. And dont say "it shouldnt be luck based" lol. If every event rewarded you on skill...almost everyone would have the gear just by how long we play each day and the effort we put in. They have to slow us down somehow.