[dev1015] Still no Abyssea VNM adjustments still a major point of congestion

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Originally Posted by detlef

Your memory is wrong even if it doesn't care.

They added time spawn NM ki in addition to the other 4 ki they provided already for a total of 6 ki per zone. In Vunkerl, only Durinn requires you to actually kill NM (imp and dvergr). In Misareaux, you'll need to kill bugard for Sobek and bat for Amhuluk. And in Attohwa you have to kill the hound, doomed, and ghost. There is a weird lack of symmetry between zones when it comes to ki for whatever reason.

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oh the bugard, lol who cares.

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Originally Posted by Camate

The development team is in fact aware there is a difference in drop rates between the Abyssea zones for Colorless Souls. They will be making fixes in the upcoming version update to make the drop rates in each zone equal.

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I love you.
Seriously I mean it.
Not only you manage to read my comment but you managed in a single day to get a reply from the developement team.
Sometimes I wonder if you have a Central Processor Unit in place of a brain for being able to process so many posts every day.
You (and your colleagues) are just made of pure awesomeness. A bliss for all of us.
I'm so glad you guys got employed :)

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Originally Posted by detlef

I think adjusting Brulo and Maere colorless soul drop rates is a good first step. SE will probably continue to monitor the situation, but I think pushing people out of Ule will actually help a lot.

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Let's just hope Brulo and Maere will be the ones adjusted and not Oogopogo ;_;
I panic at the idea :P

I just killed Brulo on the test server he did drop 2 colorless souls. Sure is nice when I am the only one in the zone, my abyssite went 1/1 and 1/1 on changes too luckily enough.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

I just killed Brulo on the test server he did drop 2 colorless souls. Sure is nice when I am the only one in the zone, my abyssite went 1/1 and 1/1 on changes too luckily enough.

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They don't just give them to you?

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Originally Posted by Zagen

They don't just give them to you?

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They don't give any Empyrean, Relic, or Mythic weapons.

Kinda stupid, someone needs to test if Oa2-3 is OP or not

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

They don't give any Empyrean, Relic, or Mythic weapons.

Kinda stupid, someone needs to test if Oa2-3 is OP or not

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I meant the KI to pop the VNMs, I swear I read about Voidwatch KIs just being given out I figured it would be the same for all NM KIs.

Yeah VW ones are, because they need testing

Abyssea is done.

Figured with T3 drop ratess getting changed they'd be giving them out to test rates easily.

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Originally Posted by Zagen

They don't just give them to you?

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There are no npcs that give abyssea key items cause abyssea isn't the focus of the current test.

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Originally Posted by Airget

if you have 3 linkshells going after Amhuluk you have the following options to arrive at that NM.

Jagged Apkallu Beak:
-Funereal Apkallu pop NM
-Gold chest
Clipped Bird Wing:
-Manohra pop NM
-Gold chest
Bloodied Bat Fur:
-Asanbosam 15 min respawn
-Gold Chest

VNMS in any area:
-tier 1 with instant respawn
-tier 2 with 15+ min respawn
-tier 3 with 15+ min respawn

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Not only is this a problem with VNMs, this is also a problem with the NM Fistule, although the requirements to get that are slightly easier. If there is competition for these, sometimes, it is better to just decide to go do something else though. At least with hour repop VNM outside Abyssea, people will gladly team up with you...

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Originally Posted by Airget

Basically how can you call the following balanced:
3 ??? to obtain the following.
Amhuluk=Coin of Balance (3)
Cirein-croin=Jewel of Balance (3)
Sobek=Stone of Balance (3)

Only 1 NM of:
Tristitia=Card of Balance (3)

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This is a big reason I've had issues getting the Card of Balance. Granted, they added this pop to three NMs (that aren't easy to defeat) in Tahrongi, but it still is a pain in the butt, especially when everyone who fights any of these mobs generally has the Card of Balance already promised to someone.

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Originally Posted by Zhronne

I love you.
Seriously I mean it.
Not only you manage to read my comment but you managed in a single day to get a reply from the developement team.
Sometimes I wonder if you have a Central Processor Unit in place of a brain for being able to process so many posts every day.
You (and your colleagues) are just made of pure awesomeness. A bliss for all of us.
I'm so glad you guys got employed :)

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Not to burst your bubble but the JP forums had this conversation weeks ago and that's where that reply comes from =P

i want whatever it is the dev team are smoking

Don't forget 10-15 min respawns on the T2 and even with all staggers you don't get the abyssite to change, you can go hours claiming all of them and never see a T3 pop, while every other empy time spawn is 100% KI with red stagger.

Ive gotten 50 Briarius Helms and 50 Sobek Skins in the last few days but the shield .... 4 souls total and Ive been working on it a long while now.

1/23 for a t2>>t3 today in altepa

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Originally Posted by Pyrobunny

1/23 for a t2>>t3 today in altepa

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Me = witness to this.

so the only way to get the devs to do something is to post on the JP board and call them gijins?
開発者は、悪名高いモンスターのスポーンのいくつかに、よりポップな条件を追加する必要があります。すなわちVNMs。

at least they post in here. You should look at the french or german forums lol. They just dont care. Those forums are some ghost town forum to prove that they care about Fr/Ge when they clearly do not.

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Originally Posted by Zagen

Actually no they didn't they only added Timed Pop KIs for Emp NMs to Gold boxes.

Edit: Sobek and Amhuluk still require killing a NM for the last KI.

Edit2: Here's the list for reference from the update post:
Tunga / Amun / Gukumatz / Heqet / Lord Varney / Hrosshvalur

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Sobek does not require the pop NM (Gukumatz), you can now get it from a gold box. So Sobek can be straight out of the box. You even quoted the update notes which now shows Sobek's time spawn KI is gold box now

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Originally Posted by Annalise

Sobek does not require the pop NM (Gukumatz), you can now get it from a gold box. So Sobek can be straight out of the box. You even quoted the update notes which now shows Sobek's time spawn KI is gold box now

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To my knowledge you can't get the Bugard KI from a box.

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Originally Posted by Annalise

Sobek does not require the pop NM (Gukumatz), you can now get it from a gold box. So Sobek can be straight out of the box. You even quoted the update notes which now shows Sobek's time spawn KI is gold box now

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After 120+ Skins that were gold box farmed I'm certain Minax Bugard KI isn't in there, which means Sobek can't be purely gold box farmed, if you have a screen shot showing you getting Bloodstained Bugard Fang from a gold box I'd gladly stand corrected.

Minax Bugard's KI can't be found in a gold chest to my knowledge.

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Originally Posted by Monchat

at least they post in here. You should look at the french or german forums lol. They just dont care. Those forums are some ghost town forum to prove that they care about Fr/Ge when they clearly do not.

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I noticed most euros go to this one anyway. I was like woo french then i go there and its nearly devoid of people lol

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Originally Posted by Arcon

To my knowledge you can't get the Bugard KI from a box.

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I forgot that one isn't, though wiki says it is. That one is really easy to get though, it doesn't really limit Sobek popping at least.

let's put it simply, whoever designed the VNM system and made it the exclusive means of obtaining certain gear needs to have their reproductive organs removed slowly with a dull, rusty saw without benefit of anesthesia. 15 months of effort with no return, generally not even a claim is too long to spend in anything. Honestly, I'm thinking it would be more beneficial to spend my monthly fee on therapy, except that the reason I started playing in the 1st place is the cathartic release of killing bad guys in make-believe instead of RL is healthier, and MUCH cheaper than psychiatric bills.

Either the gear needs to be added to other drop systems or the claim systems need to be made an instanced forced pop based solely on the possession of the appropriate abyssite. Fine, make us chase the damn pop if you think this is actually entertaining (the term you are looking for to describe the type who does is "sadist"), but don't make it dependent on the last time anyone on an entire server claimed it.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Howdy!

Though we won't be able to make it in time for the upcoming version update, we have decided to increase the rate in which the Clear Demilune Abyssite changes into a Colored Demilune Abyssite. This will be reflected on the test server a little after the version update takes place.

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This isn't the issue SEshill. There needs to be more than one monster up per area that can drop the items needed, there needs to be shorter respawn rates than one hour each, and the drops need to be from more than just three areas or soul camping will always be less fun than getting your arm gnawed off by a rabbit.

Respawn isnt one hour.

Souls arent as bad as people make it out to be. Seems a lot of people dont account for it being balanced in this way since there are no outside VNMs or NMs needed.

All other empyrean NMs may have a Timed Spawn NM that has to be killed (Or gold boxed).
However, with the right means it is garanteed you will get the KI from that kill to pop the NM fro your empyrean materials.

The Shield and Harp's Timed T2 VNM arguably is to provide a time sink similar to that of the otehr Empyrean material NMs.
However, there is never a garantee that you will get the KI from that kill to pop.

If you had every resource available and no competion, you could Claim the timed NM, get it's KI, pop and kill the popped NMs, get their KI and have a full popset ready very quickly. For VNMs, if you had every resource available to you and no competition, it could theoretically be possible to NEVER get the KI needed for the final NM.

That's not balanced.