Mog Wardrobe 3&4 feedback.

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Originally Posted by OmnysValefor

Eh, I honestly don't mean any offense towards you but this willingness of people to pay for more and more features is appalling to me.

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I think that since you have played lots of other games you should understand the meaning of whales and that people who can and do put more money into a game are the people who very often let you play it at the price you do. If not for people like me chances are this game would either not be here anymore or you would be paying more, do you know how many players have alt accounts and mules? You think this game would exist if everyone had 1 account and no mules at all?

I'm against forced increases for all but not optional increases for those who can and have no problem paying it.

When I played wow and xiv I refused to pay more than basic because they were in no danger of closing down, when I play this and other smaller mmorpg titles I spend more because I can afford it and I know that my spending helps the game continue running. I've been through the pain of seeing a game I enjoy close down, I really don't want to see it on this.

End of the day there is a very small niche of hoarders who need this extra inventory, I would spend an extra $4 on it but it's just simply not needed at all. How do I know this? because everyone playing this game played it just fine yesterday before they added it.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

SE is not your friend - they're a business, if they see money to be made, they'll do it.

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I would argue against that. There's a lot more to making money than simply charging a monthly fee for an optional feature in a fourteen year old MMORPG. They could have been selling us items like costumes, mounts and weapons such as the one from the Master Trial for years now instead of throwing them at us for free via an endless stream of campaigns, and they could have probably generated a good bit of cash doing it, possibly prolonging the period of time in which we still received meaningful updates. They could have merged servers years ago and tailored updates around open world content - the game's strength since day one - rather than funneling everyone into Mhaura and BCNMs, ensuring servers could actively play host to thousands of players online simultaneously and continue to give off the impression that, despite the lack of growth, at least the game still looked very much alive.

I've held Square's artists and designers in the highest regard for decades now (seeing Hironobu Sakaguchi and Nobuo Uematsu at the latest FFXV event was fantastic) and I always admired the way they spoiled their employees with long, paid vacations after a game's completion, but you don't have to be a business expert to see that there was a lot of room for improvement in the way FFXI was managed.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

If you want to blame anyone though, blame the XIV players that literally beg SE to charge them microtransactions.

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That's exactly what we're doing when we pay those $4 for 160 extra wardrobe spaces.

The dev team has taken the time to listen to our suggestions/complaints over the years to get a better idea of how to shape the game for us, might have been nice if they had taken the time to get our feedback on this issue as well, assuming they even had much control over it. Dividing an old school player base this late in the game's life is an unnecessary risk to me.

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Originally Posted by Jerbob

I'm baffled by how many people are ignoring the importance of inventory

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It's not being ignored - we're talking specifically mog wardrobe - If it was general inventory, then it would be a big deal, this is why I said for a large portion of players, 3&4 is realistically optional at this point so only a select few in this small playerbase actually has a true need for it. If they somehow pump out a few more jobs out of no where, then it'll be a bit of a problem, since it's similar to the argument with retainers in FFXIV - You can get by with your free 2 retainers and main inventory/armory chest, but if you actually do all of the crafting +3 specialist + glamour + hoard items, you will need more space and strangely enough, XIV suffers from a bigger inventory problem than XI ever has lol.

So yeah, while it would be nice to have it, this particular case really is optional, if it was saying something like Mog Backpack and Mog Bag of Holding which is an active 160 inventory not specifically tied to gear, then it would be a cause of concern, so I get the gist of what's being argued and not ignoring it, it's just really looking at the bigger picture, as of now only so few people would actually need this at this point in time.

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SE now has even more of an economic motivation to spam us with sidegrades, not to mention identical but augmentable items that we can only use through wardrobes.

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Though based on this game's core if they'd take the time to do that it'd honestly be better spent in other areas lol, I trust them far more with XI than I would XIV honestly since in comparison, XIV's playerbase ended up being the type that actually hates content to begin with and is okay with being charged for everything that was no longer "optional."

I mean, the "expansion" is a forced patch purchase if you want to play the new jobs let alone level past 50.

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Originally Posted by OmnysValefor

Eh, I honestly don't mean any offense towards you but this willingness of people to pay for more and more features is appalling to me.

In my view, I pay the subscription, that entitles me to the features within. I'm scared of a game where the company can slap a for-rent sticker on any feature they choose.

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As per the agreement to even play the game you had to select "yes" to, you already agreed to them doing so. It's listed very clearly things can (and will) change regarding the game in any capacity, and your sub fee is largely just giving you access to the game. So yeah you did say "in my view", but in general terms, when they say things will change, they're not strictly saying "We'll be adding in new content", they're referring to numerous things. I mean, people usually scoffed at the "act of god" clause, but there's far too many who would try to sue SE to get the money back they spent because their house burnt down or a hurricane wiped out their area, so it's not surprising there's people who still believe a subscription fee somehow protects you from a cash shop or format change.

No one cried foul about the mini-add ons beyond the people who felt "I pay a sub, I should not have to buy an expansion or add-ons, it should be given to me for free."

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Originally Posted by Elexia

No one cried foul about the mini-add ons beyond the people who felt "I pay a sub, I should not have to buy an expansion or add-ons, it should be given to me for free."

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Mini expansions were a one time fee which represented a reasonable amount of new content, at least the abyssean ones did, the original three DID feel like ripoffs to me, and I and others did complain about that, the big issue now is the base price of 14$ a month is not being rewarded with a reasonable amount of new content, alone, much less being asked to pay -more- for something so bare bones.

I'm not buying the new wardrobes and I'm far closer to quitting now than before they were introduced, but I haven't left yet, mainly due to friends, but at some point soon that may change.

I only got the scenarios when they were discounted in some package or something, don't even remember anymore. But you can't compare them to these Wardrobes anyway.

Although on the Japanese side of things it seems to be a fairly popular opinion that it would be ok if these things were a 1 time buy only (mainly to help the game a bit) although the "this money isn't going towards XI is it?" comment follows soon after. Which surprises no one. :3

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Originally Posted by Elexia

As per the agreement to even play the game you had to select "yes" to, you already agreed to them doing so. It's listed very clearly things can (and will) change regarding the game in any capacity, and your sub fee is largely just giving you access to the game.

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Oh I know, what I meant by "I'm scared of a game where the company can slap a for-rent sticker on any feature they choose." is that a significant portion of the community is accepting of this, so they may continue to do so.

I won't deny that the majority is very likely supportive of paying for Wardrobes 3 & 4, but people are expressing willingness to pay for trusts. To pay for combat advantage.

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Originally Posted by Seiowan

If that's all it takes for you to retire, you probably didn't care much for playing the game in the first place.

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Not necessarily true. I love this game and been here for a full 14 years. I just don't see the significance of paying for Trust. Paying for storage is already a big issue. Like many players, I don't want to start paying for something that was free to begin with and not at this juncture of the game.

We'll only have our selves to blame for the inevitable, almost, if not totally impossible to pass up, future additions to their cash shop if this is a success. That moogle bank 1-5 is around the corner for a sweet 2 dolla charge per month where all characters have access to the same bank, revolutionizing the way we mule and so forth. $5 Fenrir mount? $25 for Odin's horse? Where does it end? When is enough enough?

You have to ask yourself the ultimate question: "Am I okay with paying a sub fee for FFXI for very very little in return besides the right to log into the server everyday AND paying 2-4 dollars a month for 80-160 storage?" If you can answer yes to that question without cringing then by all means, throw that money at SE. You've earned it, my friend.

But if you cringe because you hate the idea of this but at the end of the day you MUST have that extra storage, you really need to just retire some jobs or get rid of some shit in your bags. I have spent most of my career here with 90% capacity storage and often at 0%. But I know right now if I really REALLY wanted to, I could free up 80 slots no problem without sending away any gear.

If that's me, the only other type of player who needs space this badly is people who don't want to give jobs up. That I think is pretty crappy of SE. Charging for item storage is one thing(and still a terrible thing). Charging for wardrobe which sole purpose is to store gear for swapping on the fly...that's taking advantage of your customers. There will be plenty of people who get this 3&4 wardrobe as a result. Just no shame whatsoever out of SE camp...

I know for sure i wont be supporting this pay to play move by SE in this game. I've paid more then enough money with the sub alone for the past 14 years.


No Thanks this time SE

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Originally Posted by Vold

We'll only have our selves to blame for the inevitable, almost, if not totally impossible to pass up, future additions to their cash shop if this is a success. That moogle bank 1-5 is around the corner for a sweet 2 dolla charge per month where all characters have access to the same bank, revolutionizing the way we mule and so forth. $5 Fenrir mount? $25 for Odin's horse? Where does it end? When is enough enough?

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While I'm completely against the idea of charging monthly fees for in game advantages such as extra mog wardrobes, I do think one time fees for mounts such as you described would be perfectly fine as they are purely cosmetic and allow those of us willing to support the developer with some extra cash a nice, little reward for doing so.

So now even though I am not paying to have it I still have wardrobe 3/4 in my way when I try to swap invents when swapping gear. ie update introduces something that is actually a detriment to players unless they pay more money....

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Originally Posted by Urmom

So now even though I am not paying to have it I still have wardrobe 3/4 in my way when I try to swap invents when swapping gear. ie update introduces something that is actually a detriment to players unless they pay more money....

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What? Son of a... the one thing I didn't want to see and now not only do I have to move around those buttons, but they aren't even grayed out so I can also click on them by mistake and open the inaccessible Wardrobe to waste even more time. Yipee...

Ugh, I'm rapidly losing interest in playing right now.

By now FFXI should be like 5 dollars a month. We are already paying for a "dead" MMORPG.

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Originally Posted by kallika

I know for sure i wont be supporting this pay to play move by SE in this game. I've paid more then enough money with the sub alone for the past 14 years.


No Thanks this time SE

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You paid for a service they provided, this is a service industry. You paid what you thought the service was worth, if not you would not of paid it.
If you don't want the extra space, don't get it. It's not something you need or have to get.

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Originally Posted by Spectreman

By now FFXI should be like 5 dollars a month. We are already paying for a "dead" MMORPG.

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Once upon a time there was a small store that sold apples, they had 100 customers all buying 1 apple a week for $1. The store was making $100 and paid a young man called jack $60, he could climb to the very top of the trees to pick the best apples!

Suddenly a big bad wolf opened a store next door selling pears, overnight the apple store lost half of his customers!! Now the store only brings in $50 a week and he can no longer afford to employ Jack ;-; and so hires Jacks mother Lucy for $30 who picks apples from the floor around the tree to sell at the store.

Customers are now angry that the apples aren't as bright and juicy as before and start shouting and stomping their feet! they demand the apples sell for 50cents! The apple shop owner relents and sells the apples for 50cents. The shop now makes $25 a week!

Now the shop can't afford to pay Lucy either! >.< The shop closes because they can't afford to pay anyone to pick any apples and now nobody in the land can buy apples anymore from anyone! the pear shop next door increases their prices to $2.

The wolf who owns the pear shop buys a ferrari and is very happy.

The end~

I would argue that the quality in apples went down, the wolf noticed this and saw an opportunity to open a store selling quality goods people would want to buy.

Noticing this, the apple shop decided to start charging for the caramel that was previously free.

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Originally Posted by Castanica

Once upon a time there was a small store that sold apples, they had 100 customers all buying 1 apple a week for $1. The store was making $100 and paid a young man called jack $60, he could climb to the very top of the trees to pick the best apples!

Suddenly a big bad wolf who already worked for the store opened a second storefront next door selling americanized apples, overnight the apple store lost half of his customers!! Now the store only brings in $50 a week from the original storefront and can completely afford to keep Jack working but sees no reason to ;-; and so they hire Jacks mother Lucy for $30 who picks apples from the floor around the tree to sell at the store.

Customers are now angry that the apples aren't as bright and juicy as before and start shouting and stomping their feet! they demand the apples sell for 50cents! The apple shop owner refuses and decides to start selling the apple on top of a stick. The shop still makes plenty of money a week over their storefronts!

Now the shop can completely afford to pay Lucy still also! >.< But the shop closes that storefront because they decide that revenue stream is less efficient. The pear shop next door increases their prices to $2, it quickly goes out of business as well.

The wolf who told the store to open the americanized apple storefront buys a ferrari and is very happy, all the people who liked the original apples are sad. The End.

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FTFY /tenchar

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FTFY /tenchar

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Trust me, I really dislike how "they" treated the "apples" (especially how they funneled all the money from "the apples" into "the pears" to pay for its creation). I quit XI for over 2 years and now, even as a FF fan I refuse to buy most of the games the "pear shop" makes anymore because I hate them so much. I sure won't be buying the 15th game they make or 16th or any reboots from here on out. That bridge was badly burned.

XI however is a game I support for my own selfish interests, there is nothing like ffxi on the market and I still like to play an mmorpg (even though the genre is pretty much dead at this point and no more are being made). If there was another company running a game similar to xi I would be gone and give them nothing ever again. I sure as heck would never buy their pears no matter what happened, even if it meant starving to death.

Pears are garbage and I hope they rot, only braindead morons would eat pears.

/inb4 banned for hating on pears

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Originally Posted by tazkwondo

Subscription price hasn't changed despite inflation.

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Inflation's a funny argument to bring into this. I don't think anyone wants to turn this into an economics class covering the last 14 years. If that's the route you want to take there are other factors to take into consideration such as development team size and server upkeep then vs now, both of which undoubtedly cost significantly less today.

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Originally Posted by tazkwondo

The cost for the mogwardrobes are ridiculously low compared to other games.

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Out of curiousity, which other games offer similar "services" at "ridiculously" higher prices?

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Originally Posted by tazkwondo

]If you can't afford $4, either stop stuffing your face with junk food or quit the game.

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lol, I'd love to know what makes you think those against the $4/month fee are all stuffing their faces with junk food.

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Originally Posted by tazkwondo

Only little girls can possibly complain about something so incredibly useful. You little pansies are also the same players that no one wants in their party either because you obviously don't take pride in your character with efficient macros and gearing them well. Here's a mind blown moment... the extra wardrobes arent for you! Use the porter slips. Use your $1 mules. You're not intelligent enough to see the impact of the extra space.

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http://media2.fdncms.com/bend/imager...?cb=1459571691

It is really not about 2~4$ a month, the problem has been explained by many people in this post, along with more than valid arguments.

I'm not looking to brag about it, this is not the point, but I used to buy (not anymore because I can't stand SE's new ways of handling things, so no more money from me) all FF OSTs, several books, and last year I bought FFXI Memorial book and FFXI jigsaw puzzle (took me a week to complete...). What I mean is that I don't care at all about spending 4$ but I have been paying the sub for this game for 13 years and as I said they never really took care of it. OSTs or books are one thing. On the other hand, optional services that come from nowhere without any explanation in an already pretty much abandonned game is, I repeat myself, an insulting move.

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Originally Posted by Vanfrano

We're now officially on par with FFXIV forum.

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Not even close, not even in the same galaxy.

Just a bunch of overreacting until the next time there's just a bunch of overreacting. Zzz. Welcome to online gaming forums!

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Originally Posted by Diavolo

Out of curiousity, which other games offer similar "services" at "ridiculously" higher prices?

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To go with this I'd also like to know which games do that and still have a subscription. Not only that but maintain full sub fees while significantly reducing staff and content. Like if the game was f2p and you could pay for stuff that was neet but wasn't needed I think there would be a lot less outrage

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Originally Posted by Urmom

To go with this I'd also like to know which games do that and still have a subscription. Not only that but maintain full sub fees while significantly reducing staff and content. Like if the game was f2p and you could pay for stuff that was neet but wasn't needed I think there would be a lot less outrage

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Spoiler alert, there isn't one, simply put nobody has a sub fee and still has something like this, heck for most games, extra space is a one time fee, which is more palatable to almost everyone (me included) also, almost all the ones that I can think of that sell space are free to play in the first place which is a different discussion altogether.

It all began with a mog wardobe 3 & 4 microtransaction...

So the legend says...

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Originally Posted by Spectreman

It all began with a mog wardobe 3 & 4 microtransaction...

So the legend says...

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They can stick it up their gates of paradise.

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Originally Posted by Sirmarki

Someone is angry at the world...

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I especially liked the "no valid arguments" part.

BTW like I said, our dislike for this was ignored and it's already part of the game. They are never going to take it away now if just one person pays money, which you know one or more already did.

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Originally Posted by Urmom

To go with this I'd also like to know which games do that and still have a subscription.

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Oh dear, I guess no one has heard of World of Warcraft then? Heck, they went full crazy and allowed you to buy your way to level 100 as well! Oh, and the subscription is still comparable to FFXI. But, I guess it doesn't count if it offers a counterpoint to your arguments...

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Originally Posted by Seiowan

Oh dear, I guess no one has heard of World of Warcraft then? Heck, they went full crazy and allowed you to buy your way to level 100 as well! Oh, and the subscription is still comparable to FFXI. But, I guess it doesn't count if it offers a counterpoint to your arguments...

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BRRRT Not true: https://us.battle.net/shop/en/product/game/wow

Not the level 100 part, the buying extra inventory space with RL dollars part.

In fact, their entire cash shop is as follows:

12 Pets, 10 Mounts, 3 Visual Effect only Helms, Appearance Change, Character Transfer, Faction Change, Guild Rename, Guild Faction Change, Name Change, Race Change, Lv100 Boost (The only one I'd take offense at.)

I wonder what will be next, optional fee-based equipsets.?

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Originally Posted by Deede

I wonder what will be next, optional fee-based equipsets.?

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Who would buy that?

Things I would be ok with are:
Cosmetics (NEW ONES) Why don't they already do this? Cosmetics are a huge money maker and to a lot of players more important to their enjoyment of the game than actual stat items.
Cosmetics (out of holiday seasonal ones)
Echad / trizek ring buying them when they aren't available for free.
CP boosters (I and a lot of other people who have less time to grind and less than stellar gear would buy these, it would also stop people being forced to bot CP)
Trusts (only if there is also a way to get them ingame and only certain ones)
Race change (i don't care if the old race stats can't be changed, it's cosmetic most people care about) / face change / name change
Mounts!

Take my money!

The reason why they don't do cosmetics is because the infrastructure doesn't really support a store like that. Adding a new subscription option is less overhead than one-time codes.

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Originally Posted by Vanfrano

It is really not about 2~4$ a month, the problem has been explained by many people in this post, along with more than valid arguments.

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The "Problem" is people thinking this is a required service when take for example:

920 people on your server
15 people actually need the 3rd and 4th wardrobe.

The majority of the playerbase isn't anywhere near needing 180 more gear slots. If it was 180 general inventory slots, it would be a different story. The same thing happened when SE opened up the cash shop for XIV, however, the XIV players begged SE for microtransactions even for minor stuff. So if it's not the "2-4 a month", what is the problem besides being completely optional unless they introduce more jobs when it then becomes "required"? I don't need the 3rd and 4th wardrobe, so it's not a problem to or for me, especially with how someone else decides to spend their money.

Very, very few people in this game have every job mastered and filled up 180 wardrobe slots as in (not counting your other inventory ..) so yeah, microtransactions seem to be a "bad thing" to players, yet seem to not realize every MMO has them, every mobile game has them and every game has been making money on this concept for the past decade at minimum, it just depends on how far the company goes with it. They're going the whole 720 yards with FFXIV because those players just want to be ripped off, but with XI SE is far more smarter even if the game could support "cosmetics" the core of XI is far from that - XIV isn't built with concurrent players in mind like XI is.

Also I understand the subscription argument, but let's be honest here: WoW is the original "Pay to Play with a cash shop" MMO and we all see how successful that game was, no? A sub fee is nothing but granting you access to the game.

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Originally Posted by Seiowan

Oh dear, I guess no one has heard of World of Warcraft then? Heck, they went full crazy and allowed you to buy your way to level 100 as well! Oh, and the subscription is still comparable to FFXI. But, I guess it doesn't count if it offers a counterpoint to your arguments...

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Except that is just a shortcut not something you can't get at all without paying. Also isn't that a 1 time fee? Apples and oranges.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

The "Problem" is people thinking this is a required service

The majority of the playerbase isn't anywhere near needing 180 more gear slots.

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Like many, many people, I have 22 lvl99 jobs, all in varied states of gearing, some jobs require 80-90 pieces of gear cycling around while others much less. While many pieces carry across multiple jobs I still have to run to the moogle several times a day to move macro pieces of gear back and forth.

Perhaps if SE would offer another talisman cloak with a one time fee that gives you both 3 and 4 wardrobes for a one time $20 or less I'd likely do it for all three accounts I pay for - but a monthly fee, no thanks.

Also part of the reason people are so upset about a service-model for in-game functionality is it's just SE selling out in an area they have kept clear from on FFXI and now that their feet are dipped in the cash, it won't stop here.

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30 days access to be able to use provoke II - only $2/mo.
30 days access to be able to cast cure 7, same MP use as cure 1 with the potency of cure 6 - only $2/mo.
30 days of 15 extra yalms of JA function for any pet job - only $2/mo.

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Lets hope that's not prophetic.

I don't understand why people are upset about the fee and it being monthly. Heck XIV you have to pay extra per month for more retainers and granted players initially were upset about having to do that for the extra space and etc. the crying died off pretty quick. Yes it can be disappointing that for the extra gear space you would have to pay 2 or 4 more a month but as others said it's gear slots not general inventory space. Heck buying another character would actually give you more space then the Mog Wardrobe 3/4, as you would get the other storage bags as well.

Basically if you want it great go for it, if not don't do it, but no reason to be upset at something like this when XIV does something similar.

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30 days access to be able to use provoke II - only $2/mo.
30 days access to be able to cast cure 7, same MP use as cure 1 with the potency of cure 6 - only $2/mo.
30 days of 15 extra yalms of JA function for any pet job - only $2/mo.

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That would give unfair advantage to actual gameplay, hence they would never do that.

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30 days access to be able to use provoke II - only $2/mo.
30 days access to be able to cast cure 7, same MP use as cure 1 with the potency of cure 6 - only $2/mo.
30 days of 15 extra yalms of JA function for any pet job - only $2/mo.

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As against these wardrobes as I am, this is taking things to absurdity.

This won't happen.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

The "Problem" is people thinking this is a required service when take for example:

920 people on your server
15 people actually need the 3rd and 4th wardrobe.

The majority of the playerbase isn't anywhere near needing 180 more gear slots. If it was 180 general inventory slots, it would be a different story. The same thing happened when SE opened up the cash shop for XIV, however, the XIV players begged SE for microtransactions even for minor stuff. So if it's not the "2-4 a month", what is the problem besides being completely optional unless they introduce more jobs when it then becomes "required"? I don't need the 3rd and 4th wardrobe, so it's not a problem to or for me, especially with how someone else decides to spend their money.

Very, very few people in this game have every job mastered and filled up 180 wardrobe slots as in (not counting your other inventory ..) so yeah, microtransactions seem to be a "bad thing" to players, yet seem to not realize every MMO has them, every mobile game has them and every game has been making money on this concept for the past decade at minimum, it just depends on how far the company goes with it. They're going the whole 720 yards with FFXIV because those players just want to be ripped off, but with XI SE is far more smarter even if the game could support "cosmetics" the core of XI is far from that - XIV isn't built with concurrent players in mind like XI is.

Also I understand the subscription argument, but let's be honest here: WoW is the original "Pay to Play with a cash shop" MMO and we all see how successful that game was, no? A sub fee is nothing but granting you access to the game.

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I love how the 'sub fee is only to let you access the game!' argument only appeared in XI when XIV's cash shop appeared. I've read forums a long time, going back to allakazam, and that's not how XI's sub worked. You pay them, you have access to anything in game.

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Originally Posted by Morovich

I don't understand why people are upset about the fee and it being monthly. Heck XIV you have to pay extra per month for more retainers and granted players initially were upset about having to do that for the extra space and etc. the crying died off pretty quick. Yes it can be disappointing that for the extra gear space you would have to pay 2 or 4 more a month but as others said it's gear slots not general inventory space. Heck buying another character would actually give you more space then the Mog Wardrobe 3/4, as you would get the other storage bags as well.

Basically if you want it great go for it, if not don't do it, but no reason to be upset at something like this when XIV does something similar.

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Just cause someone else does it sort of doesn't make it not bad or not upsetting. I'm willing to bet most the people upset by this either don't play 14 or prefer 11 and don't like 11 becoming more like 14

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Originally Posted by Elexia

The "Problem" is people thinking this is a required service when take for example:

920 people on your server
15 people actually need the 3rd and 4th wardrobe.

The majority of the playerbase isn't anywhere near needing 180 more gear slots. If it was 180 general inventory slots, it would be a different story. The same thing happened when SE opened up the cash shop for XIV, however, the XIV players begged SE for microtransactions even for minor stuff. So if it's not the "2-4 a month", what is the problem besides being completely optional unless they introduce more jobs when it then becomes "required"? I don't need the 3rd and 4th wardrobe, so it's not a problem to or for me, especially with how someone else decides to spend their money.

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I've seen you make this argument before. We don't need more jobs in order to rationalize the extra space afforded by Mog Wadrobes 3 and 4, 22 is already more than enough to fill those up and then some. There is more to gearing a job than just having a single TP set and WS set.

Likewise, I never like bringing the argument of need vs want into these discussions because we technically don't need a lot of the items and features we have. Does that make them less valuable? Not at all. You don't need Wardrobes 3 and 4 the same way you don't need an Idris GEO to kill end game content, but it sure does make life easier. Yes, we can all survive just fine without those wardrobes the same way we all survive without REM weapons, but let's not kid ourselves, almost everyone wants them, so again, why do they need to be locked behind a paywall? I have all 22 jobs at 99 and I struggle with space, but I'd sooner spend that $4 on a homeless person than let SE think charging me for this is an acceptable practice.