To: Mr Akihiko Matsui

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Originally Posted by Eyeballed

You know, for the people of the minority in your corner on the 14 boards, this is exactly what they had to say as well. "Go away and leave us alone, masochist! Go find another game to play!" So, here I am. Maybe you're right. Just shut them all down because they all fail at providing an entertaining, engaging experience that's got substance and difficulty from start to finish. Join us, or die, is that it?

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You didn't understand my point. Majority of people on the left side of the room like the color blue, and the majority of the people on the right side of the room like red. now in each of these groups there are minoritys of people who like the opposite color. Now rather than the blue people moving to the side of the room with the others who like blue, and the minority of red likers moving to the side of the room who likes red, everyone would rather start a color war. Now we have the red and blue sides throwing their ideas on why red is better or blue is better. They are different colors and different sides of the room, why not have everyone go to 1 side, everyone else go to the other, then we can like our colors in peace. You can paint your side red, Ill paint my side blue, we can be diverse, different, and happy, all at the same time.

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Originally Posted by Arcon

You're a child because you refuse to listen to reason and value your opinion over other peoples' and somehow think that's appropriate behavior.

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Again I say, demanding the product that I paid for years ago, and expected to have forever as long as I kept it is inappropriate and unreasonable? Do I need to re-quote the morphing car analogy, or is that too immature? I must be immature, because you've failed on all other fronts to convince me, that, outside of A. Look at the Like count! B. "Everyone" is happy!, this game is appealing in its current state.

There's a majority in everything. Just because there's one here doesn't make your opinion any more valid than mine. And no, not even if I'm the only one.

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Originally Posted by cidbahamut

I'll second that recommendation for Aion. That game is grind-tastic. I spent a month playing it with some friends and could not for the life of me catch up to where they all were. No fast-track to level cap there.

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Sounds tedious to me.

I've been playing EVE myself, it's beautiful. It automatically levels (skills) for you even when you're not actively logged in. The only thing is it takes long stretches of real life time to do so. Up to a month for some of the higher tier skills.

There are ways to cut down on training times, but it's not by much.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

You didn't understand my point. Majority of people on the left side of the room like the color blue, and the majority of the people on the right side of the room like red. now in each of these groups there are minoritys of people who like the opposite color. Now rather than the blue people moving to the side of the room with the others who like blue, and the minority of red likers moving to the side of the room who likes red, everyone would rather start a color war. Now we have the red and blue sides throwing their ideas on why red is better or blue is better. They are different colors and different sides of the room, why not have everyone go to 1 side, everyone else go to the other, then we can like our colors in peace. You can paint your side red, Ill paint my side blue, we can be diverse, different, and happy, all at the same time.

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There are only round rooms, and that which we're all stuck in. I like rooms with corners; Ones that have tradition and functionality.

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Originally Posted by Trisscar

Sounds tedious to me.

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It was absolutely awful, but I think it would appeal to what Eyeballed is looking for in an MMORPG.

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Originally Posted by cidbahamut

I'll second that recommendation for Aion. That game is grind-tastic. I spent a month playing it with some friends and could not for the life of me catch up to where they all were. No fast-track to level cap there.

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I hated it but it was still way more fun than 2005 FFXI.

Since you conveniently ignored my post, I'll ask the same question again.

Why won't you go quietly? Your bitching isn't not going to change anything. all you're doing is wasting your time and annoying people. The past few pages of this thread are clear evidence that a ton of people don't agree with you.

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Originally Posted by Eric

Since you conveniently ignored my post, I'll ask the same question again.

Why won't you go quietly? Your bitching isn't not going to change anything. all you're doing is wasting your time and annoying people. The past few pages of this thread are clear evidence that a ton of people don't agree with you.

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Since when, ever (ever, ever, ever, ever!), has it been a good idea to take advice from the opposition?

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Originally Posted by Eyeballed

Again I say, demanding the product that I paid for years ago, and expected to have forever as long as I kept it is inappropriate and unreasonable?

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This is a MMO so... YES! People bought Xboxs and had Xbox Live, they shut down the servers to Xbox live for the original and it is no more. Phantasy Star Online for the Xbox is no longer playable at all, or at least mine isn't, I paid for it years ago, but I never expected it to last forever. All MMOs and online services die in time because after awhile they are shutdown and lost. Expecting this to be here forever is very unrealistic, however this isn't shutdown or shutting down. It changed, many things change, this is one of them, they never took FFXI away from you, they changed it. One day however it will be gone, make no doubt about that, so prepare yourself for that day, because you seem to think FFXI will be around forever, but in fact, no online thing will truly be around forever. All good things must come to an end.

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Do I need to re-quote the morphing car analogy, or is that too immature? I must be immature, because you've failed on all other fronts to convince me, that, outside of A. Look at the Like count! B. "Everyone" is happy!, this game is appealing in its current state.

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It is an unrealistic goal and statement to say everyone is happy, but I ask you, why have more people not spoken up in your defense? Are they afraid to voice their opinion? Do they have a reason not to speak up? Or is it you are in a minority of people wanting this, and the majority is truly against you? That is what matters, the Like button is a way to show you agree with something or like something, but so few have stood up in your defense where as so many have said they disagree with it. When you show me the majority isn't happy, or rather than the majority actually wants this, then let me know, I may start to choose your side instead, till then what you are saying is illogical, and holds little to no ground.

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There's a majority in everything. Just because there's one here doesn't make your opinion any more valid than mine. And no, not even if I'm the only one.

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I am sure SE would beg to differ, your single subscription means much less to them than the others who are disagreeing with you who would be none to happy were this to happen. That isn't to say your opinion doesn't matter, but it seems like how people are with HNMs, many voices speak out in protest, few voices speak out in acceptance and even applaud. You are the lone person right now so far as I see, and your fighting a battle both foolish, and hopeless, so far as I can tell.

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Originally Posted by Eyeballed

There are only round rooms, and that which we're all stuck in. I like rooms with corners; Ones that have tradition and functionality.

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Again you understand nothing, I guess Ill be a little more harsh. Everyone who wants to grind for hours which would bore the fuck out of me and everyone else fighting with you it seems should pack up their shit and move to FFXIV, you seem more welcome there. You can give everyone there the memo to get their shit and get the fuck out, FFXI is their new home. We will gladly take them, and get rid of you, because you want to take a step back, and hurt the game and majority of players. We want it how it is, or at very least not how it was, the people over at the FFXIV forums apparently agree with your point of view, why not just put you where you fit in, and leave us where we like to be!

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Originally Posted by Eyeballed

Since when, ever (ever, ever, ever, ever!), has it been a good idea to take advice from the opposition?

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Since you were intelligent enough to see its a losing battle and actually look at the facts your enemy presents. Most fights can be averted if people are simply smart enough to pay attention to what the other person is saying for 5 minutes then once they understand, alot of times it becomes clear, and possibly they can come to an agreement.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Again you understand nothing, I guess Ill be a little more harsh. Everyone who wants to grind for hours which would bore the fuck out of me and everyone else fighting with you it seems should pack up their shit and move to FFXIV, you seem more welcome there. You can give everyone there the memo to get their shit and get the fuck out, FFXI is their new home. We will gladly take them, and get rid of you, because you want to take a step back, and hurt the game and majority of players. We want it how it is, or at very least not how it was, the people over at the FFXIV forums apparently agree with your point of view, why not just put you where you fit in, and leave us where we like to be!

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Okay, guess I'll stay on tone, then. Nobody's said it better than this:

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Why? Because I love video games, that’s why, and over the last couple of years I’ve become increasingly upset with the direction that the industry is taking. These days, I find myself dreading that my favorite hobby will sink so far into douchebaggery and corporate bullshit that it will cease producing the kind of games that I like altogether.

Now, I’m not a complete moron. I know that the ’80s and ’90s weren’t some magical time where corporate greed and unscrupulous marketing didn’t exist, and we all lived in a utopia where everyone involved in video game development actually CARED about the consumer and the artistic merit of their medium…

…but it was better than this, goddamnit.

Soaring game budgets, DLC, “casual gaming”, cover systems, yearly installments, mergers, GameStop, Activision, motion controls, Tetsuya Nomura, “next-gen” graphics, Kotaku, “special editions”…

…it’s all just a swirling vortex of BULLSHIT being sucked down the drain, leaving behind all traces of artistry, originality, innocence and simplicity.

It’s not just nostalgia. I honestly have a more difficult time finding games I like these days, and that’s a problem I NEVER had until this console generation. I can’t open a gaming news site without being instantly depressed by some executive’s marketing jargon or some developer’s explanation for why his five hour, bloom-lit, brown-paletted game about a bald space marine is a fucking revolutionary masterpiece.

So now you get to hear about it, if you want. I know you probably don’t agree with me. If the things I say offend you, or you think I’m an idiot, you don’t have to read any more than you want to…

…but if you share my pain, and if you’ve had enough, feel free to take some time and join me in a hearty “FUCK YOU” to the rejects ruining our fun.

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Ok, like I said, heres your chance, go to FFXIV, tell everyone who disagrees with your idea of leveling, to get their shit and get over here, we will take them. Take the people who want your way with you, and go live on planet FFXIV. Then you will be able to tell your devs over there that you want your leveling methods, and we will keep what we have over here, I still see no problem with that, which your post brought up. In fact with the thing you quoted I mostly agree with on this part...

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Soaring game budgets, DLC, “casual gaming”, cover systems, yearly installments, mergers, GameStop, Activision, motion controls, Tetsuya Nomura, “next-gen” graphics, Kotaku, “special editions"

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With few exceptions everything mentioned here basically pisses me off about games, but I saw very little in this post that opposed what I said. This in fact is very much with my views, I hate the idea of overpriced games, DLC being specifically cut from games, yearly installments into games like CoD or what Final Fantasy is turning into, GameStop, Activision, Motion Control, graphical upgrades which add no more fun, only looks while costing more money on both ends, and special editions to suck more money out of consumers.

The simple way to say it is 1 side wants 1 thing and 1 side wants the other, since we have 2 different games, why not have 1 set of people on 1, and 1 on the other, then we would be ok, or at least better off.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Ok, like I said, heres your chance, go to FFXIV, tell everyone who disagrees with your idea of leveling, to get their shit and get over here, we will take them. Take the people who want your way with you, and go live on planet FFXIV. Then you will be able to tell your devs over there that you want your leveling methods, and we will keep what we have over here, I still see no problem with that, which your post brought up. In fact with the thing you quoted I mostly agree with on this part...With few exceptions everything mentioned here basically pisses me off about games, but I saw very little in this post that opposed what I said. This in fact is very much with my views, I hate the idea of overpriced games, DLC being specifically cut from games, yearly installments into games like CoD or what Final Fantasy is turning into, GameStop, Activision, Motion Control, graphical upgrades which add no more fun, only looks while costing more money on both ends, and special editions to suck more money out of consumers.

The simple way to say it is 1 side wants 1 thing and 1 side wants the other, since we have 2 different games, why not have 1 set of people on 1, and 1 on the other, then we would be ok, or at least better off.

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Here is something you obviously and apparently do not understand about the two games: They are ONE in the SAME in DESIGN. The SAME PROBLEMS that exist THERE exist HERE.

Am I strange for liking DLC expansions?

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Originally Posted by Eyeballed

Here is something you obviously and apparently do not understand about the two games: They are ONE in the SAME in DESIGN. The SAME PROBLEMS that exist THERE exist HERE.

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You mean arrogant gamers with puffed up egos like you who believe they're entitled to what ever they want over the concerns of the more casual gamer?

If so I couldn't agree more. We could do without you and the rest of you elitists and hardcores.

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Originally Posted by Trisscar

You mean arrogant gamers with puffed up egos like you who believe they're entitled to what ever they want over the concerns of the more casual gamer?

If so I couldn't agree more. We could do without you and the rest of you elitists and hardcores.

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If you define hardcore as asking for challenging content, then I feel very sorry for the future generations who get by on "This is too hard, can you make it easier? No, this is too hard too, easier? Ugh, is there a 'just get me to the boss' setting?"

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Originally Posted by Eyeballed

Here is something you obviously and apparently do not understand about the two games: They are ONE in the SAME in DESIGN. The SAME PROBLEMS that exist THERE exist HERE.

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Except, they arnt, otherwise FFXI would be DEAD by now, because the problems that made FFXIV get such bad press and made it known as a terrible failure of a game, a shame to Square, would have caused this game to die in no time. Its 10 years old and its still living, FFXIV lived for less than a year before they said they were doing a 2.0 version because they fucked it up. If they are the same, and have the same problems, tell me why 1 is alive and well, getting an expansion onto itself even though it is over 10 years of age, while the other is young, but being overhauled due to flaws? Wouldn't it make more sense to bury this game now if its so problematic and flawed?

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Originally Posted by Eyeballed

If you define hardcore as asking for challenging content, then I feel very sorry for the future generations who get by on "This is too hard, can you make it easier? No, this is too hard too, easier? Ugh, is there a 'just get me to the boss' setting?"

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There was nothing hard about killing Pugils in Qufim, worms in Qufim, Crabs in Valk, Lizards in Valk, Bats & Beetles in Garbage Shitadel, Beetles in Altepa, Colibri in Aht, Crawlers in CN, Dhalmel in Bibiki, nothing hard about this, simply took time.

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Originally Posted by Eyeballed

Again I say, demanding the product that I paid for years ago, and expected to have forever as long as I kept it is inappropriate and unreasonable?

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You've got that wrong too. You didn't pay for a game. You paid for a license, which you got. Now you're paying for a subscription, but still not a game. You're paying to be able to play SE's game. A game which will always change, otherwise no updates, bug fixes and expansions would ever be possible. And that's where the subscription comes in: if the game changes in a way you can't agree with, you can cancel it. You didn't sign a contract to play for years, but you pay each month. If in one month an update happens which you can't live with, you're free to stop paying and playing.

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Originally Posted by Eyeballed

Do I need to re-quote the morphing car analogy, or is that too immature

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That analogy was flawed to begin with. First of all, you didn't have a nice car but a shitty car. Abyssea is the nice car. And secondly, SE never changed your car. The old game is still there. You can still get 5 other people and EXP the old way. So instead of morphing your char they gave you an additional shiny new speedy car. And you're getting upset that most of the players drive the shiny new speedy car, while you'd like it if everyone was stuck driving the old car with you.

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Originally Posted by Trisscar

Am I strange for liking DLC expansions?

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No because Expansion adds to the game, they usually come out around 6 months to a year after release and add a significant amount of gameplay.

The DLC I hate is, with holding characters that are already on the disc in fighting games (Capcom), Having DLC ready on release that should have been in the game to begin with (Bioware, Dragon Age II Exiled Prince dlc) etc.

You forgot the dhalmels!

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Except, they arnt, otherwise FFXI would be DEAD by now, because the problems that made FFXIV get such bad press and made it known as a terrible failure of a game, a shame to Square, would have caused this game to die in no time. Its 10 years old and its still living, FFXIV lived for less than a year before they said they were doing a 2.0 version because they fucked it up. If they are the same, and have the same problems, tell me why 1 is alive and well, getting an expansion onto itself even though it is over 10 years of age, while the other is young, but being overhauled due to flaws? Wouldn't it make more sense to bury this game now if its so problematic and flawed?

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You realize that people are expecting XIV 2.0 to flop again because of its "speed-run" nature and tendencies? If that doesn't get corrected, then people like myself will have no SE to invest in. You've got your FF MMO, which was ours at one time, and now they're going to do the same again. One game: World of Warcraft. It works for you folks, but it certainly doesn't for others. Where do the so-called "hardcores" fit in anymore?

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Originally Posted by Teraniku

No because Expansion adds to the game, they usually come out around 6 months to a year after release and add a significant amount of gameplay.

The DLC I hate is, with holding characters that are already on the disc in fighting games (Capcom), Having DLC ready on release that should have been in the game to begin with (Bioware, Dragon Age II Exiled Prince dlc) etc.

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Don't forget Day1 DLCs like with ME3 with From Ashes.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

There was nothing hard about killing Pugils in Qufim, worms in Qufim, Crabs in Valk, Lizards in Valk, Bats & Beetles in Garbage Shitadel, Beetles in Altepa, Colibri in Aht, Crawlers in CN, Dhalmel in Bibiki, nothing hard about this, simply took time.

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But, you've got to admit it's a hell of a lot harder than standing in one spot as you AFK. ;)

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Don't forget Day1 DLCs like with ME3 with From Ashes.

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You got that for free if you bought a new copy of the game. I have no problem with them doing that, because it allows them to still get something from a used game somebody buys.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Since you were intelligent enough to see its a losing battle and actually look at the facts your enemy presents. Most fights can be averted if people are simply smart enough to pay attention to what the other person is saying for 5 minutes then once they understand, alot of times it becomes clear, and possibly they can come to an agreement.

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And that agreement is, shut up and/or leave? Things don't get changed when people stand idly by. Watch and learn.

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Originally Posted by Mirage

You forgot the dhalmels!

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Yeah I went back to it and added Crawler's & Dhalmels ^_^; added them just after posting it.

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Originally Posted by Eyeballed

You realize that people are expecting XIV 2.0 to flop again because of its "speed-run" nature and tendencies??

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2.0 is going to flop because 1.0 crashed and burned and anyone who's in the market for a new MMO has not forgotten the catastrophe that was FFXIV's launch.

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Originally Posted by Eyeballed

But, you've got to admit it's a hell of a lot harder than standing in one spot as you AFK. ;)

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True, but at the same time not everyone afks, and you still have to earn money (most of the time) then give up that money to be allowed to do that, depends on how much INT your party leader has.

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Originally Posted by Teraniku

You got that for free if you bought a new copy of the game. I have no problem with them doing that, because it allows them to still get something from a used game somebody buys.

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Really? :( asshole at GameStop ripped me off I guess, mine didn't have it inside, thought it was only the special edition, not sure.

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Originally Posted by Eyeballed

And that agreement is, shut up and/or leave? Things don't get changed when people stand idly by. Watch and learn.

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Eventually the time for trying to come to an agreement comes to an end, that time is when both sides fight back and forth non-stop such as now. When sides are open to compromise, thats when its a good idea to listen to your enemy. But you have seemingly made it clear that is not what you want, as was said by Arcon...

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Originally Posted by Arcon

You can still get 5 other people and EXP the old way.

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The option is there, so if the choice is what you seek, then it is available, however if you seek to change the game itself entirely and change it for others as well, on a large scale, you have to admit, this is selfish on a few levels.

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Originally Posted by Eyeballed

If you define hardcore as asking for challenging content, then I feel very sorry for the future generations who get by on "This is too hard, can you make it easier? No, this is too hard too, easier? Ugh, is there a 'just get me to the boss' setting?"

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Nice putting words into my mouth, ace. I like a challenge as much as anyone else, but 'challenge' is a far cry from tedious, boring, stress inducing gameplay like the old school way of leveling was.

Remember you aren't talking to someone who just started playing yesterday, you're talking to someone who's been active for nearly six years without quitting or taking extended breaks from the game despite how bad it sometimes got. I've been playing long before level sync came about, long before FoV or GoV, long before WotG and Campaigns, long before Aby.

I've been in some truly old school parties in the under croft of the tombs and Bibiki Bay. I've been in more experience points parties than I could ever count in pretty much every corner of FFxi including an imp party on Khimeria's island. I once knew every party camp by heart.

I've been in some truly epic parties that I will never forget. Once, I joined a party at level 23 on Qufim Island. It lasted nearly 12 hours and by the time we disbanded we were departing Yhoat Jungle. The same people that joined the group at the beginning were the same people that left, with very little down time and no PL.

This is, admittedly, an atypical party and more often then not parties were troublesome. Flagging up endlessly for an invite, only to get a party that usually disbands in less than an hour with little experience gained and it wasn't all that uncommon to leave with less experience than you entered with. Douchebag leaders, party members with no clue about the most basic of game mechanics, sub par healers, people with gimp gears, and on and on and on.

This is not a challenge, it's a torture session.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

The option is there, so if the choice is what you seek, then it is available, however if you seek to change the game itself entirely and change it for others as well, on a large scale, you have to admit, this is selfish on a few levels.

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I said this way back there, but I'll say it again. Do a /sea all XX-XX and send out tells for a classic party and see how many takers you get. Go ahead. Once you've done that, and awesomely failed, come back to me and tell me about options.

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Originally Posted by Eyeballed

I said this way back there, but I'll say it again. Do a /sea all XX-XX and send out tells for a classic party and see how many takers you get. Go ahead. Once you've done that, and awesomely failed, come back to me and tell me about options.

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I never said it would be easy, but let me point out, doesn't that kind of show you how many people you would be hurting with this, or how many disagree with you?

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

I never said it would be easy, but let me point out, doesn't that kind of show you how many people you would be hurting with this, or how many disagree with you?

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It does one thing absolutely: Prove that we do not, in fact, have that option so readily as you all claim.

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Originally Posted by Eyeballed

I said this way back there, but I'll say it again. Do a /sea all XX-XX and send out tells for a classic party and see how many takers you get. Go ahead. Once you've done that, and awesomely failed, come back to me and tell me about options.

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The rate at which you're building those parties is roughly equivalent to the rate at which I was able to build parties back in 2009 before Abyssea was around.

You're just looking for a scapegoat.

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Originally Posted by Eyeballed

It does one thing absolutely: Prove that we do not, in fact, have that option so readily as you all claim.

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The effort of building such parties was much worse before level sync and FoV/GoV. You're just making excuses, like all the people who don't have CoP completed now.

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Originally Posted by Eyeballed

It does one thing absolutely: Prove that we do not, in fact, have that option so readily as you all claim.

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You have friends I would take it, you should ask them to come with you. You can Level Sync, just only fight mobs at your level and move up as you go, it should be the same as no Auto-Pages or abyssea.

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Originally Posted by cidbahamut

The rate at which you're building those parties is roughly equivalent to the rate at which I was able to build parties back in 2009 before Abyssea was around.

You're just looking for a scapegoat.

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Gotta be something else. I present you with a fact and the best you can do is blame me.

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Originally Posted by Eyeballed

I said this way back there, but I'll say it again. Do a /sea all XX-XX and send out tells for a classic party and see how many takers you get.

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This alone should be proof enough for you that the "old" methods of exp are generally unwanted by the community as a whole.

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Originally Posted by Trisscar

The effort of building such parties was much worse before level sync and FoV/GoV. You're just making excuses, like all the people who don't have CoP completed now.

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I'm somewhat surprised no one ever tries to make a thread about how we should go back to having caps on CoP so that people have to work together and all that for it.