Arch Dynamis lords difficultly.

Problem is that when either clone uses a TP move the other one will aswell, meaning essentially double the TP moves and double the chance of getting terrored/death slashed.

Essentially if you have the numbers you should be able to take out 2 clones and win before PD wears. If you're lowmanning it like the video then you're riding your luck a lot more, if you pick the wrong one first time chances are you're going to wipe.

No, if it splits again it will pop 4 copies, which immediately will terra slash from what i've seen.
If you have enough fire power it will take 10 sec to get him to split then another 10 sec to kill the first copy you pick, if that's not it move on etc. I don't see you fighting both copies at the same time in your videos either.

Plus you got lucky that you picked the right copy. If it was wrong one you would have lost. I don't go into the fight expecting to win by luck.

Why not post the videos of you losing, I'm sure it happens quite often.

Ps you should use warriors, they are much stronger. Or at least 1 war for blood rage.

We've gotten dbl drops 3x now, 21 marrows so far. Heck 3 kills today, 5 marrows. Point is we don't fight it expecting to lose, but bad luck dbl terror can always happen or a 52 then 47 split.

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Originally Posted by Scribble

The only QQ I have to add is about the 100m marrows you're selling. Only QQ because I'm laughing so hard people would buy for that much. Anyhow, grats on your luck with clone.

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Nobody is paying 100 mil on Q for that stuff. No one paid 75 mil nor has anyone paid 55 mil as far as I know as the one UB(Ultimate Bitch as I call it fyi, otherwise known as umbral marrow, though it seems alittle less of a pain now..) I've seen in bazaars is quickly being cut day by day. I haven't looked at it in 2 or 3 days but last I saw it was 55 million which stood for at least 1 day of bazaaring.

As far as this topic goes I've kept my mouth shut lately to see how it'll play out. I have a few observations:

1)bringing less bodies than 18 to ADL is a good thing for several reasons.

2)with a few dedicated players surrounding you, you can 6 man ADL by whatever means that are necessary which I did figure was possible but goodluck having such a group. It's few and far between so don't be expecting to 6 man ADL yourself any time soon unless you fit the bill and make a serious effort to create or join such a group.

3)Chan you proved your point with the 6 man win but don't push it. Take the victory and walk away. Don't go starting about how there's no luck involved and so on. You won but it won't always be so. The system doesn't allow it. And you weren't exactly pushing through it like champs til ADL dropped in either video so gloating is only going to take you so far. I can understand why you'd want to do it because of this ongoing war between you and BG members but let's face it, there's not THAT much to gloat about. The video speaks for itself. You can farm 99 relics or sell off UBs with relative ease whether it's wins or losses. You don't need 18 which is the conceived "hard" part after all, needing to share/lot the UB drops that others will want, too.

Take it for what it is, let the video speak for itself which is a 6 man ADL win period, and call it a day before you ruin it.

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Originally Posted by macross

Plus you got lucky that you picked the right copy. If it was wrong one you would have lost. I don't go into the fight expecting to win by luck.
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No I would not have lost. I'm better than you that's about it. And war is shit. Prove me wrong by 6 manning it with 4 wars.

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Originally Posted by Vold

bitterness and blabla about luck

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I've already explained that my win rate will be 75%. Luck doesn't exist, either you can or you can't. I've already explained what causes failure and what causes failure. I can write a page of maths explain you how much % win rate I'm going to have. It's not luck it's averaging a certain amount of marrows per runs. Go ahead if you want to play with 18 I don't care, my relic will be obtained probably before tueasday which is 2 weeks only after VU. Want to take bets ?

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No I would not have lost. I'm better than you that's about it.

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Lol, I can't decide if you say this crap for lulz or as a joke, or are so far lost in your own delusional world that you actually believe it now.

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No I would not have lost.

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Huh? All sources of healing were dead, the 3 remaining DDs were in orange HP or almost dead and PD had worn off.

You do realize that with your kill speed, it can split again after you pick wrong? This means you lose another 15 seconds of damage to hitting for 0 and having to renegage. You lose most of your remaining PD, and get to take 2-3 instant WS with a weakened PD/ no PD (wipe), and then have another 50% / 33% / 25% chance of getting the right clone.

An alliance of 12 +cor and smn mules allows you to farm 3 pops and kill 3 per run (even if you don't get a 2hr reset), while still being able to deal with stuff like picking wrong with a terror. I think our worst luck was split > wrong clone > terror > split into 3 > wrong clone > terror > wrong clone > win. I guarantee that, as the game stands now, you won't win something like that with only 6, and even with an alliance, its almost always a wipe.

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Huh? All sources of healing were dead, the 3 remaining DDs were in orange HP or almost dead and PD had worn off.

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each monk has Reraise on, a reraise scroll, an icarus wing. 1 WS=3~4% of its HP. The bard DiaII ADL a few second before dying for a purpose. Makes it possible to zombie the few % HP if it is the rigth clone you still win.

Now the point of pchan is not that everyone should farm his marrows with 6, obviously. It's that peopel goign with 18 and only poping one are doign it very wrong. If I were to go with an allaince i'd take:

PT1: MNKx5(vereth) SMN
PT2: MNKx5(vereth) SMn
PT3: SMNx5 BRD

The reason for mnks is: other DDs cannot beat 300TP aftermath + impetus 's boost during the 1:30 of PD. Secondly, a +3 instrumentis enough to cap haste w/o soulvoice (langeleik or Ghorn). If your bard only has +2, you'r not to far from caping, and anywayyou got 10 DD.. lol. If 4 monk can kill 1 copy and sometimes 2, 10 mnks will kill 3-4 NP.

With this set up you can pop seven ADL in one run ( well 3 or 4 if you PD both DD pts, which is certainly not required), since the *only* required 2H is Perfect Defense. And do not bother bringing CORs. Their 2H is a 66% chance at being useless.

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Huh? All sources of healing were dead, the 3 remaining DDs were in orange HP or almost dead and PD had worn off.

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Funny. After all you are the one bringing a dedicated mage party for a perfect defense zerg (2 RDM GUYZ). Orange HP doesn't mean jack shit when perfect defense is up which is the case whenever there is no dynamic implosion going on ; aka the second video clearly shows the amount of time left. Also we need to hear nynja's theory.

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Originally Posted by Khiinroye

You do realize that with your kill speed, it can split again after you pick wrong? This means you lose another 15 seconds of damage to hitting for 0 and having to renegage. You lose most of your remaining PD, and get to take 2-3 instant WS with a weakened PD/ no PD (wipe), and then have another 50% / 33% / 25% chance of getting the right clone..

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So what no setup is 100% win what's your point ? An alliance of 18 that is getting 3 splits cannot afford a single dynamic implosion because that would be 30se + 15s x3. Also I'm almost certain the next clones don't take as long to pop and take damage while being poped ( I had this occuring once but it could have been the lag in the log).

And you have no idea what you are talking about about the second split. On a typical run ADL clones are going to have 45% HP so it's going to go down in ~25sec. Seeing as I can survive about 10sec w/o PD and each monk as a free 6k damage (let's say 2 icarus wings, one instant reraise) in case of loss, even if you wipe before killing the second form you could do 30k damage while zombying it in theory and 30k damage is about 30% HPs..

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The startegy consisting of killing one after theother as an alliance is wrong you should take down both at the same time as they repop at the maximum of the HP of those up.

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You've been very lucky, Terror in quick succession renders everything moot.

Also I'm confirming that I have experienced a strange behaviour on a run where it split twice. On the second split during the summonning animation it is clearly taking HP in the log and its HP bar is also decreasing, then it splits and the one I am autotargetting takes zero damage for a few rounds. I've got the vid and it doesn't seems to be lag. I bet it's a hint so that players can kill ADL in two rounds.

Actually after watching again, the ADL that is not engaged is the one summonning so I guess it's normal that the other one is taking damage.

First of all, you can't use 2 icarus wings.
Second of all, how are you getting free 6k damage, after reraising. ADL depops very fast. You do not average 6k victory smites on ADL. Also 30k dmg, with 4 monks avging 6k dmg? That's 24k.
Impetus pfft, you can't beat wars ws rate. Even a sam spaming shoha would probably do better. I believe we use 4 wars 1 sam 1 thief, and ADL dies in like 20 seconds if we pick the right copy like you do in your videos. You said ADL splits in 30 sec alwasy before right?

Dead reraising monk also means no impetus, no buffs. Your VS won't do shit to it. I guess it's time for you to make a video of you wiping then reraising and killing ADL. Look at your wins, you are near death every time on the verge of wiping.

How many attempts do you try per day? How many runs have you done to get the amount of marrows you have now? So just how many umbral do you avg every day/run? 1x PD and SV, unless you got an army of smn and brd bots ready to go.

2nd video shows time, but if that 2nd one splits you are dead, unless you get lucky and pick the right one yet again.

We only go twice a week, but we've gotten 21 umbrals so far. I think what we are doing is better. We've only lost twice too, that's better than 75%, and that's only when we have no 2hours avail cept pd, due to terror.

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Originally Posted by macross

Dead reraising monk also means no impetus, no buffs. Your VS won't do shit to it. I guess it's time for you to make a video of you wiping then reraising and killing ADL. Look at your wins, you are near death every time on the verge of wiping.

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On the verge of wiping? so is ADL. you get one or 2 MNK dying but there is still 2 up and ADL is very low on HP each time (<5%). You are true on the part were Victory smite weakened (no buffs) is realtively weak. it does 1~1.5k dmg still though, which will take the few %s of its HP left if done by each monk one after the other. Like i said, it doesnt matter if the second clone can or cannot be killed by 6. We kill the first clone 100%. that is 50% chance at winning. Pchan upgrades his spharai on the next win since he is 4/5 ( 4 ADL, 3 Win, 4 Marrow).

And we plan on farming pop sets for 3 days and pop them the 4th. In 3 runs we can farm at least farm 4 full sets ( we aim at farming 6), and pop them on the 4th run, but atm we cannot due to not having enough SMN mules.

In 3 runs I'm confident in being able to farm and pop 6 adl every 3 runs, with 50%-75% win rate. This week was special as we only reached the setup we were aiming. We poped 2x yesterday and got 3 drops, 2 wins, and pop 2x today and got 1 drop 1 win. 3/4 so far. My strat is by far the best, unless you and your ally pop systematycally like 18 ADL or something. Even with only a 50% win rate I'm winning. Noone gives a shit about what ADL "can" do "If" you didn't pick the right one "If" it tripple split "IF" dynamic implosion happen "IF" tera slash happens. It would only matter if popset were hard to farm. Unlike what what you and the BG crowd try to imply, my win aboslutely don't rely on luck beside the "hope you pick the right clone". It seems hard to lose this way, today it basically had to triple clone at 1% with two back to back dynamic implosion. Any ally would have wiped, since that would be one full minute stun, plus 15sec x2 smning animation, so nothing was lost. Todays's run yields this

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z...nn/ADL100c.jpg

a 100c !

It took 1 minute to kill total. I bet 4 or 5 man ADL is possible.

Turns out ADL is low man content, I find this pretty exciting and I'm sure a lot of people will benefit from this. This totally reminds me of salvage start (day 1: 18 man, day 2 : everyone levels mnk, day 3 d/c trick and duo qiqirns).

Also I'm going to have empy and relic @ 99 in ~3 days, what about your LS?

How did your SMN reset its 2 hour, or are these done on different (RL) days? Vidya 1 was done late darksday and Vidya 2 was done early Firesday.

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Funny. After all you are the one bringing a dedicated mage party for a perfect defense zerg (2 RDM GUYZ). Orange HP doesn't mean jack shit when perfect defense is up which is the case whenever there is no dynamic implosion going on ; aka the second video clearly shows the amount of time left. Also we need to hear nynja's theory.

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Not once did I mention RDM.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

In 3 runs I'm confident in being able to farm and pop 6 adl every 3 runs, with 50%-75% win rate. This week was special as we only reached the setup we were aiming. We poped 2x yesterday and got 3 drops, 2 wins, and pop 2x today and got 1 drop 1 win. 3/4 so far. My strat is by far the best, unless you and your ally pop systematycally like 18 ADL or something. Even with only a 50% win rate I'm winning. Noone gives a shit about what ADL "can" do "If" you didn't pick the right one "If" it tripple split "IF" dynamic implosion happen "IF" tera slash happens. It would only matter if popset were hard to farm. Unlike what what you and the BG crowd try to imply, my win aboslutely don't rely on luck beside the "hope you pick the right clone". It seems hard to lose this way, today it basically had to triple clone at 1% with two back to back dynamic implosion. Any ally would have wiped, since that would be one full minute stun, plus 15sec x2 smning animation, so nothing was lost. Todays's run yields this

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z...nn/ADL100c.jpg

a 100c !

It took 1 minute to kill total. I bet 4 or 5 man ADL is possible.

Turns out ADL is low man content, I find this pretty exciting and I'm sure a lot of people will benefit from this. This totally reminds me of salvage start (day 1: 18 man, day 2 : everyone levels mnk, day 3 d/c trick and duo qiqirns).

Also I'm going to have empy and relic @ 99 in ~3 days, what about your LS?

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My LS has 4 99 relics, 3 99 mythic one more in ~2-3 days, 2 99 empys. One person has 99 empy mythic and relic, I guess you lose? I would have 99 relic and empy last week, cept I got screwed over on dkp.

Never said it was hard, we are 100% win if all 2h are up. 50-75% win is luck based, luck if you pick the right one or not, luck if it does aoe terror or not. Takes you 1 min 20 seconds to kill adl + 1 clone in your video. With 5 people dpsing like you do we kill it in 20-25 seconds if we pick the right clone. In 4 runs we can get 12-16 umbrals, vs the 6 you may get. The more you bring the safer and easier it is. Only drawback is we need to outfit more people.

Anyhow since it's so easy to kill with 6, who is gonna pay 100m gil for an umbral lol.

Who ? members of linkshells like yours that get screwed and have no hope to see their relic until months.

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How did your SMN reset its 2 hour, or are these done on different (RL) days? Vidya 1 was done late darksday and Vidya 2 was done early Firesday.

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It has been explained.

So basically, after all pchans bragging, he spent 3 weeks to get 2 kills, it's entirely luck based whether or not he can win, pick a clone or get one of 3 or 4 different TP moves going off and he will lose, he still hasn't managed to duo a popset, he can't kill ADL most of the time, and he can't do it without 2 hours as he claimed he could. Looks like you lose gchan.

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Your original arguments were 6 people could do it without 2 hours, you require 6 people and lots of mules and lots of 2 hours, and your win rate isn't going to be above 50% unless a way to determine which is the clone and which is the real ADL can be found.

You also claimed you could duo a popset, and you can't do that either.

What are you trying to brag about exactly? That you can kill it with the only 5 people in the world who will talk to you and your army of mules? lol, to bad it doesn't happen anything like you said it would. Anyway, keep the laughs coming.

You post stinks butthurt also no I never said w/o 2H. I told you the thread would end with "pchan is right". Where is nynja ? leveling mnk?

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So basically, after all pchans bragging, he spent 3 weeks to get 2 kills, it's entirely luck based whether or not he can win, pick a clone or get one of 3 or 4 different TP moves going off and he will lose, he still hasn't managed to duo a popset, he can't kill ADL most of the time, and he can't do it without 2 hours as he claimed he could. Looks like you lose gchan.

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Your original arguments were 6 people could do it without 2 hours, you require 6 people and lots of mules and lots of 2 hours, and your win rate isn't going to be above 50% unless a way to determine which is the clone and which is the real ADL can be found.

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You butt hurt bro. Now I see you qq a lot recently. Pchan's point was to show that dynamis lord trials are not something to qq about. Now go find 5 other firends and farm your 99 relic. The 2 videos clearly show that even if ADL uses supposedly "auto fail" abilities ( dynamis implosion and tera slash), you can win. Those 2 videos show that if you chose the right clone (50%), you win, no matter what abi he uses. I don't know why you thought he could win ADL most of the time? I mean even an alliance is totally not 100% win rate. wether you are 6 or 18, a double dynamis implosion is auto fail because it wastes perfect defence. You need luck to win this fight, wether you are 18 or 6.

Since you ask why it took pchan 3 weeks to give you this video, well. First we're not at your service and feeding OF trolls from BG is not my priority. Secondly it took us 1 week to examine the feasibility of ADL with our set up at the time. We farmed 6 pops, tried various set ups. ended un putting it a <5% with 2 pink monks and 2 pimp. Thats when we concluded ADL is doable with 4 vereth(90)/tantra+2 monks and we started to work on it. Full pink > full tantra+2 took one week, and one more week to ungimp the weapons (fire taipan 90 > vereth90).

The SMN/COR mule thing is just to show that 12 people can pop 6 ADL every 4 days. ( mnkx4 brd SMNx7). The prupose of pchan's video is to show that alliances definately can pop many ADL per run. So the people claiming "this trial is stupid because I need 17 other people to work for me" are wrong: you can low man this trial very fast. 6 ADL every four days with 50% win rate is 0.75 marrow /day or 1 relic 99 every ~4 days on average, say one relic per week. If you have 6 people it is still 50% chance at marrow every 2 days ( 1 run to farm an ADL pop, one run to pop it, basically).

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My LS has 4 99 relics, 3 99 mythic one more in ~2-3 days, 2 99 empys. One person has 99 empy mythic and relic, I guess you lose? I would have 99 relic and empy last week, cept I got screwed over on dkp.

Never said it was hard, we are 100% win if all 2h are up. 50-75% win is luck based, luck if you pick the right one or not, luck if it does aoe terror or not. Takes you 1 min 20 seconds to kill adl + 1 clone in your video. With 5 people dpsing like you do we kill it in 20-25 seconds if we pick the right clone. In 4 runs we can get 12-16 umbrals, vs the 6 you may get. The more you bring the safer and easier it is. Only drawback is we need to outfit more people.

Anyhow since it's so easy to kill with 6, who is gonna pay 100m gil for an umbral lol.

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this thread is not an e-penis contest. its cool if your LS can get 12 umbral marrows in 4 runs, it means you got it, your LS knows how to do these trials. Unlike the other QQers in this thread (nynja, carbuncle & their BG disciples). The relic 99 trials are not worse than the mythic 99, it can be done with 6 ( 1 marrow every 2 days). There are other things to complain about the game right now, like, the empyrian 95 and 99 trials which are compeltly stupid and uninteresting/unchallenging, voidwatch of fail and nyzlul II.

It sounds to me like the both of you are the ones who are butthurt, butthurt at me pointing out your shortcomings and that you have nothing to brag about.

Also, the only reason you don't post on BG is because you got temp banned for 2 years, quit trying to act like you chose to stop posting there.

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It has been explained.

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oh well good for linking said explanation, instead of forcing me to reread through all of your self important posts. Bravo on that. I commend you on your excellence in taking the time to quote yourself. You deserve a gold star for all the effort you put in referencing information.

Edit: I reread everything you've posted from the video's to your reply to myself. You have not explained how your summoner reset its 2 hour, or if the videos were made on 2 separate runs. If they are made on 2 separate runs, which video is from the run where you did 2 ADL?

Want me to make a video to show how it is done ? Each char has either a SMN75 or a COR65 on mules this allows for a minimum of 3 pops and a maximum of 11 pops in one run.

We have 6 pops ready for tonight. Also Thursday we will be poping another 6.

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z.../spharai99.jpg
Took about one week to get including all the pop farming.

Nice gil you got there.

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No I would not have lost. I'm better than you that's about it. And war is shit. Prove me wrong by 6 manning it with 4 wars.

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........lol

Any reply i can think of to this would probably get me into trouble, ADL is luck based if your doing it the zerg way. Anyone who claims otherwise is a liar or EXTREMLY lucky. And lol @ trying to bash WAR, why SE lets people spout nonsense here is a mystery.

Mr BG butthurt and Mr 99 PKD have spoken. How come I already have 2 relics, Idk, this is the mystery of luck, or at least what the gimp claim when watching me talk about it.

It doesn't matter what you say you still got lucky. That video was a clusterfuck of a fight. btw your ban is up next month and as far as Nynja goes not posting he got a temp ban so even then I doubt he'll care to feed your already inflated ego as it is.

This video is my skill and nynja/you is BG.

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I'm pretty sure the only person who believes you is you. 1 job at 99 and its MNK, the easiest job to play in the game, how can you boast about skill on a job with 2200ish HP that only has to hit attack and switch between 3 or 4 gearsets? Anyone with common knowledge of this game could throw togther a well geared to near perfect MNK in 1-2 weeks maby less.

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This video is my skill and nynja/you is BG.

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Must be lonely on that island..

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this video is "anybody with 4vereth,ghorndabla,PD can kill ADL with little luck"
its also "im too stupid to be able to get more than one friend that we need 6account to do anything"

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1 job at 99 and its MNK

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Inbefore Mr 20 jobs level 99, sorry for only having jobs that don't suck.

edit : bingo. Mr "The only thing I can do in game is level jobs"

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Inbefore Mr 20 jobs level 99, sorry for only having jobs that don't suck.

edit : bingo. Mr "The only thing I can do in game is level jobs"

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you said "jobs" but you only have 1 job. No one said MNK sucks, all i said it was is easy to play, easy to gear, easy easy easy. There is minimal skill involved to be a MNK, bragging about it like you're the only person to be good at it is laughable. It takes leagues more skill and proper gear to be a good WAR then compared to MNK. MNK is not a skill job, a trained monkey could be a MNK.