Final Fantasy Vana'Diel Collection 3! (Now with Epic Items~)

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Originally Posted by Twille

I suggest we, as a player base express our discontent with this decision by demanding all players with the 3 Abyssea add-ons (regardless of how/when they were purchased) be given access to this new Beret. The Nexus Cape is attainable regardless of how the other three add-ons were purchased, the Destrier Beret should be the same, period. As paying customers I feel that we deserve nothing less.

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I cannot agree with this more. Those of us who bought all the add ons at full price should also get this item.

I'd like to remind you guys Camate isn't a Dev member (right?) he's just a Rep. He's basically the middle-man for us and the Dev team. Don't be angry with him, Need to be upset with SE themselves, as they are the ones who probably gave the okay to do this. So don't be like "WHAT? YOU'RE!" when its not his fault. direct your upset-ness to SE.

Secondly, Its not really about it being a collectors item or any of that, Its that its more the principle of the matter. We've been loyal customers for years, and they're now releasing another Vana-collection with the single best head armor for 1-30 gameplay, and we can't get it without pretty much spending 20$ on getting the in-game item (I.E pay for expansion/code to get it).

While on the other hand, Our reward for said "Purchasing of the Expansions" has been of course the content, but the Nexus Cape, and now the Prishe Statue, both of which the buyer of the Vana-Collection are also eligible for. I feel for the one guy who just coaxed his friends to buy all 3 Expansions for 30$, when not even a week later its released the entire game for 20$, including that hat lol.

I'd like to add, I think i was the only one who ever mentioned all my jobs being 40+ (I saw someone earlier mention this as "The majority of you" when I'm the only one who said it AFAIK), So i don't really mind if i don't see the beret as much as you guys, But its more the Principle of the matter. Loyal Customers getting boned. I would have killed for that hat years ago, But I know I'm in a minority when i say i have not 1 job that can use it. So thats why I'm on the side of "I think this should be obtainable to us Loyal players as well".


.... I'm sure they didn't expect this kind of shit-storm over a low level item :X, Kinda feel bad for them. But yah, Again, Don't take your anger out on our Rep, Its not his fault, he's the messenger. never shoot the messenger.

If SE was selling an actual hat with a Key for a in game hat this would be a different story, but they aren't.

It shouldn't matter if its a level 1 hat that only gave a Flint Stone once every 24 hours we should be entitled to this item.
It doesn't matter if you think the hat is crap or it doesn't take long to level 1-30 its the principle behind it. Telling us we have to pay $20 for something we already own for an in game item that costs nothing is a huge slap to the face to all your long time loyal customers!

And saying you pay the monthly fee every month doesn't mean anything you pay that regardless they don't even have to give version updates if they don't want to.

We the Loyal Customers who bought each expansion before they were released shouldn't get screwed out of an item like this. We paid FULL price for it and deserve the free item that costs nothing since its virtual goods.

To Camate

I understand that community reps have to make the information they've got sound as good as they can, and that it probably aren't you who are deciding how things like bonus items and rewards work, but that statement you made earlier, it really sounds bad no matter how you could have said it.

I hope you bring the concerns the players in this thread have voiced to the people in charge, and see if you can make them change their mind. After all, Camate, don't you think it is a bit backwards that the players who have supported the game the most should have to pay even more to get an item than people who haven't?

It feels more insulting to be handing out the free statue, which does absolutely nothing, and at the same time not the beret as well.

It seems that Everyone really feels that SE pulled the wool over their eyes when they announced that this Item would be packed in the new collection only and not be available to those like Me that purchased everything, Now even though the hat code is separate from the reg code It still feels like SE doesn't think its long time players would like to have this item, personally it would be nice if SE gives us this item for free or even maybe let us purchase this item separately for a small fee,even to go as far as everyone that purchase's one the proceeds go to the Earthquake relief fund, hell i'd like to get some of the past items that were given away at special events, I'd be willing to pay a couple of bucks to get the moogle shield or even the talisman teleporter body piece if they offered it like they do when a new add on comes out.

They should of made this a ring, people are only whining cause it's a pretty hat they want to walk around in at 90.

I think people are missing the true message of the majority of the complaints. All I hear about is the beret, but take the beret out of the situation completely. This isn't about a piece of gear it's about the fact that we bought everything that comes with with the collection, but are excluded from the additional item regardless of what the item actually is. SE would've been better off just finding a different way to sell the beret instead of slapping people in the face. Not that I actually care about the item, but it's a matter of principle.

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I think people are missing the true message of the majority of the complaints. All I hear about is the beret, but take the beret out of the situation completely. This isn't about a piece of gear it's about the fact that we bought everything that comes with with the collection, but are excluded from the additional item regardless of what the item actually is. SE would've been better off just finding a different way to sell the beret instead of slapping people in the face. Not that I actually care about the item, but it's a matter of principle.

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The beret was added the way it was as an insentive for people that already have the full game content to buy it again(as a collectors edition), if they don't do this they can't justify making a repackaged FFXI disk set. There are not enough new buyers to justify it's creation costs or place in a stores shelf, if this had been a unrestricted item then everyone would agree but is a level 30 buff armor...you can get 30 in a day spamming fov. Who cares.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

never shoot the messenger.

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Is this Sparta? Tread lightly..

I wanted to clarify a few things people haven't mentioned yet (or at least I didn't see). It's not about it being useless (or useful) to many people. Me, as a collector, I simply want to have this item. It's the same with Atma. So many of them are utterly useless, but gotta have them all.

And you can't compare it to things like the Tidal Talisman, because there you bought the actual item, the ingame item was just a bonus. I know that's not how most people saw it, I bought it as well and it was for the ingame item only. And I think SE knew it was going to be like that too. And it sucked. Even that sucked, big time, as did the Mog Satchel, although those still had a moral justification. This is a scam. You get absolutely nothing, you simply buy an ingame item for actual cash. It's called real money trading and can get your account suspended. You know, when it's done by someone other than SE.

Also, I don't believe this is targeted at new players. This item is supposed to make the transition into Abyssea content easier. Why would only new players profit from that? How many new players are there? It would be interesting to see how many actual new players buy this, compared to how many old players do. Even though a major part of the old playerbase is outraged I this, I assure you, they will also be a major part of the people buying this game. The other big part will be returning players (although ironally, most returning players already came back after Abyssea, thus had the new expansions already). And yes, maybe there'll be a few new players buying this too.

Several people have said "it's simple, if you don't wanna pay, don't do it and don't get the item", it's not as simple as that. That, in fact, is unrelated to anything at all. It's a tautology, not an argument. The issue here is with how SE treats their loyal playerbase. I don't think I should have more than others because I played (and paid) for the better part of a decade. But I also don't think they should have more than me, which is what this little exercise (officially) intends to do.

And what about tha VanaFest argument? Is it unfair that they have things I can't get? Yes, I'm still pissed off about that. Why can't I obtain a Moogle Cap? Or a Nomad Moogle Shield? I still want those and I'd do almost anything for them. However, being a student I can't afford to fly to VanaFest from Germany. And that one time I didn't have internet access for a month and thought I'd use that time to hang back and relax I miss the Moogle Cap sales.

I'm not saying those people shouldn't get anything special. But does it have to be an ingame item? One of the things I liked most about FF (back when I started) was that SE didn't promote purchasing ingame goods with real money, like many other online games did. A friend tried to get me hooked on Maple Story, but precisely for that reason I didn't join him. Now I have to go through the same thing in my favorite MMORPG? I'm disappointed.

There's two possible ways to look at this:
Either SE really believe it's something their most loyal players shouldn't have (the players who bought everything when it first came out) and they're being unfair, or they know those people will want it regardless and will spend extra money on it, making this a scam.

A solution would be simple:
Give them the item first, let us obtain it later, through ingame means. This could (and should) apply that to VanaFest items and other ingame content as well. Nothing in the game should be blocked to people in any way. If you wanna give those people something exclusive, try merchandise and other content outside of the game.

Ah such greedy fans

"oh we should get it free because we've been paying all this time!" lol

Life dont work like that and SE dont care about your loyalty, only your munies.

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Life dont work like that and SE dont care about your loyalty, only your munies.

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Even mroe now that 14 was a huge financial flop, you can only be scammed if you think you must have this silly hat. Don't be stupid and it's not a problem.

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Originally Posted by Twille

EDIT: and a point of clarification, what is the "Prishe Statue" and what will it do?

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It'll give me something to stare at in my moghouse that isn't my homely Moogle. I hate that guy.

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Originally Posted by Randwolf

Reading comprehension. Do you have it?

The poster's point was not that newbies should pay as much. But, was why those who have paid so much should have to pay more to get the item.

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So you pretty much feel entitled to this item because what? you've been playing for years... Grow up seriously.

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Originally Posted by Chiibi

So you pretty much feel entitled to this item because what? you've been playing for years... Grow up seriously.

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I don't see why we shouldn't be entitled to it. The beret comes in addition to the content, yet we already own the content. How exactly can you justify paying $20 for a collection that I already have all the content from. No argument is gonna be relevant to this situation because no other item was bundled with content that everyone already bought.

I have yet to see a person who says that having to rebuy the content is fair give decent reason. Are any of you even capable of providing a reason or are you convinced that your opinion is fact?

Its wierd that SE hasnt made any comments on this yet. Usually they are quick to give an answer when this many people posts on a thread O.o?

They commented about 8 pages back.

First, I'm not mad at nor directing any of this at our Community Rep.

Second, this is really more about the principle than the item. Or more precisely, how you get the item. Up until now, there have been a lot of items you could get through means other than in-game quests or activities. I bought the Vana'diel Collection and have the Harpsichord. I went back and forth on the jewelry item and ended up not purchasing it. Even though, I wish I had now. The security token was an easy buy since it added another layer of security. The conventions are never near me. So, I will probably never get one of those items. But, I don't complain. Even though, I could, since it does really suck that for some people, they just need to attend a local convention while for others it would involve airfare and lodging. Anyway, I know there are other items they have offered. But, each time it involved buying something I had not already bought.

This time, if I want the item, I need to buy something that I already have 3 sets of. I have this game on all 3 systems. To me, asking people to buy something they already own to get a give-away item appears just plain greedy. I think it's for this reason, a lot of people are upset. If it had been attached to something they didn't already own, I think you would see a lot less complaining.

For the most part, I've gotten all the in-game items I could. For things, like convention items, the amount of money and time it would take for me to get them is just unrealistic. But, really, to ask people to re-buy things they already have just to get an item you are giving away is pure, obvious piggishness.

If you own the content already buy it for the Item. If you don't own the content great. For those of you thinking SE owes you anything; you're paying for a service in which said service expires at the end of each month. SE does not owe you a damn thing. Get over yourselves...

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Originally Posted by Vivik

If you own the content already buy it for the Item. If you don't own the content great. For those of you thinking SE owes you anything; you're paying for a service in which said service expires at the end of each month. SE does not owe you a damn thing. Get over yourselves...

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Yet another post that says the same thing that was said 100 times already.

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Originally Posted by Tsuneo

I don't see why we shouldn't be entitled to it.

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Thats exactly like saying "i speak english so im entitled to an A+ on my english exam!" Suck less and just accept we get a statue of one of the greatest elvaans EVER!

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Originally Posted by Tsuneo

Yet another post that says the same thing that was said 100 times already.

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and yet people are so thick as to not understand the simplicity of it...

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Originally Posted by Vivik

and yet people are so thick as to not understand the simplicity of it...

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The simple answer is SE just wants to get sales on a collection no one would buy otherwise. I'm not demanding the hat, and I don't even want it. I just think the tactics in use for people who do want one and already own all the content are pretty lousy.

Maybe those who use the world "Entitled" Simply take it too far. But i feel it would be fair if we happened to get them. I wonder if people saying "We get prishe statue" Realize people who buy the Vana Collection also receive this item?

I don't think theres a sense of Entitlement behind my responses, But i do feel the Fair thing would have been to give the players who bought all 3 Expansions when they came out this item as well. it would have been "Hey new people, Join today for 20$, Get this awesome item too!" and "Hey Loyal Customers, You can have it too, Thanks for sticking with us and buying all the expansions for about 6x the cost of this Collection over the years!"

In my view, Is more of a courtesy than an Entitlement. We definitely aren't entitled to anything, SE has taught us that well over the years, But to limit the item to new players, or players who spend (lets admit it) 20$ for an in-game hat seems a little under-handed.

Its their right, I have no qualms otherwise, My feelings is that it seems kinda dirty to their Loyal Customers. you guys can sheep behind "HUR HUR ENTITLE NUTHIN", thats your peragative, But its absolutely stupid to insist those people who feel they should get the item too for purchasing all the expansions, and not be forced to toss over 20$ Additionally for said item are "Thick headed".

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Originally Posted by Tsuneo

The simple answer is SE just wants to get sales on a collection no one would buy otherwise. I'm not demanding the hat, and I don't even want it. I just think the tactics in use for people who do want one and already own all the content are pretty lousy.

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Actually, the simple answer is SE is releasing a new collection that comes with a free gift. IF you don't need it, don't buy it.

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Originally Posted by Vivik

Actually, the simple answer is SE is releasing a new collection that comes with a free gift. IF you don't need it, don't buy it.

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The bottom line is I will buy the collection to get the item. I knew that from my first post. That amount of money is nothing to me as I am sure it is nothing to a lot of the people posting. What's funny is that the only systems I need the collection on are either the PS2 or the 360. Since, I've lost a disk/code on each system and S/E screwed up my systems with the download issue. Really, the only thing that gets affected by this is my view of S/E.

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Originally Posted by Vivik

Actually, the simple answer is SE is releasing a new collection that comes with a free gift. IF you don't need it, don't buy it.

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And you still miss the point behind this. The point people are trying to make is that ingame items shouldn't have to come with such a price tag (or any price tag at all for that matter), because that's all this is. This is clearly targeted at old players who feel they want that item, regardless of how good or bad it is. The fact that SE markets this as a bonus to new players (which is unfair to begin with) is disrespectful to the playerbase, because everyone knows what this is really about. All SE is doing here is real money trade. And that was one of the most attractive features of FFXI when I started.

As I previously posted:

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Originally Posted by Arcon

There's two possible ways to look at this:
Either SE really believe it's something their most loyal players shouldn't have (the players who bought everything when it first came out) and they're being unfair, or they know those people will want it regardless and will spend extra money on it, making this a scam.

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Originally Posted by Arcon

And you still miss the point behind this. The point people are trying to make is that ingame items shouldn't have to come with such a price tag (or any price tag at all for that matter), because that's all this is. This is clearly targeted at old players who feel they want that item, regardless of how good or bad it is. The fact that SE markets this as a bonus to new players (which is unfair to begin with) is disrespectful to the playerbase, because everyone knows what this is really about. All SE is doing here is real money trade. And that was one of the most attractive features of FFXI when I started.

As I previously posted:

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Oh I get exactly what SE is doing. They released a new collection with a BONUS gift. You're not paying for the gift, you're paying for the collection of expansions. Read into what they are doing however you want. Whine and carry on about it if you want. Either way, the fact remains, it's a bonus. I think the sense of self-entitlement in this thread is way more appalling than anything SE could ever do.

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Originally Posted by Vivik

Oh I get exactly what SE is doing. They released a new collection with a BONUS gift. You're not paying for the gift, you're paying for the collection of expansions. Read into what they are doing however you want. Whine and carry on about it if you want. Either way, the fact remains, it's a bonus. I think the sense of self-entitlement in this thread is way more appalling than anything SE could ever do.

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Majority will buy it just for the gift because we already bought the "collection" through the past years.

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Originally Posted by Tsuneo

Majority will buy it just for the gift because we already bought the "collection" through the past years.

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Oh I'm sure they will. Hell, I'm gonna buy it (granted I need the abyssea xpacks for a mule). If I did not need the xpacks, I would not purchase it though. I mean really, who has jobs under 30 they plan to level anymore anyway?

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Originally Posted by Vivik

Oh I'm sure they will. Hell, I'm gonna buy it (granted I need the abyssea xpacks for a mule). If I did not need the xpacks, I would not purchase it though. I mean really, who has jobs under 30 they plan to level anymore anyway?

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Now you're assuming something that people have explained was wrong a few times already. Not everyone is in it for the stats (although plenty of people, including me, still would profit from it). Some people just want the item to wear, others just want it for the collection value. And no, just because it's a collection it shouldn't require real money. Stuff in a game is supposed to be attained through effort in a game. Many games trampeled on this concept, SE never did until a while ago (was Tidal Talisman the first item? Not sure). As I said, it was one of the things many people found attractive about the game, and while it's still better than many games out there, I still think it's a step in the wrong direction. I don't care about the money at all, it's the principle that matters.

I'll be buying the collection for the item. If I didn't have a mule that needed the expansions, I would still be buying it for the item. Done it before, I'll do it again. Yay cute hat for my mule!

I didn't buy the silly piano CD full of music for the sheer enjoyment of listening to the same shit I can hear day in and day out, or play myself. I bought it for the cool harpsichord. I didn't buy a token for "added security," I bought it for the satchel. In this case, you're paying $20 for cute and some cool stuff if you have jobs under 30.

It's a marketing ploy, companies do it all the time. Buy it or don't!

I'm curious if people would be as outraged if SE just offered the in-game item for $20, with no attachment to anything else. I think they would make a mint on cool in-game items to buy for RL money and never understood why they don't do it more often. /shrug

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Originally Posted by Arcon

Now you're assuming something that people have explained was wrong a few times already. Not everyone is in it for the stats (although plenty of people, including me, still would profit from it). Some people just want the item to wear, others just want it for the collection value. And no, just because it's a collection it shouldn't require real money.

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So, you're saying I should be able to get the collection free for my mule? I'm cool with that too.

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Originally Posted by Fincat

I'm curious if people would be as outraged if SE just offered the in-game item for $20, with no attachment to anything else. I think they would make a mint on cool in-game items to buy for RL money and never understood why they don't do it more often. /shrug

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I can bet the majority of them would have it the first day, adorning it in Port Jeuno for everyone to see.

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Originally Posted by Fincat

I'm curious if people would be as outraged if SE just offered the in-game item for $20, with no attachment to anything else.

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Not quite as much, because at least it wouldn't be disrespectful. It would still be RMT and I would still condemn it.

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Originally Posted by Vivik

So, you're saying I should be able to get the collection free for my mule? I'm cool with that too.

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No, that's not what I'm saying.

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Originally Posted by Fincat

I'm curious if people would be as outraged if SE just offered the in-game item for $20, with no attachment to anything else. I think they would make a mint on cool in-game items to buy for RL money and never understood why they don't do it more often. /shrug

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Actually, that is right on. I think it's more the connection that it's attached to something I have bought 3 times over. Add to that, that I do need the replacements for PS2 and 360 because SE screwed that up with their poor download protocol and I am missing either a disk or, in the case of the PS2, the CD-Rom has ceased to function. But, it's only attached to the PC system, which is the only one of my 3 systems that doesn't need it again.

Wow... half the people on this forum are nuts. SE created a new item to help NEW players deal with the endgame-heavy state of FFXI... and you feel ENTITLED to it? Who the hell do you think you are? There was no clause in the Terms of Service when you signed up that said "Any and all content we produce for sale if the future is included in your current monthly subscription". It's a NEW PRODUCT.

Be happy that this new package will be appealing to new and returning players - bringing new life to our servers and new opportunities to meet people. Be happy that if this item is something you REALLY want - it's now available for purchase. Be appreciative of the fact that SE and the new FFXI dev team ARE STILL WORKING ON A 9-YEAR-OLD GAME and looking for ways (like this) to entice new players to join our community.

Also, here's a free Prishe statue. ^^

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The fact that SE markets this as a bonus to new players (which is unfair to begin with) is disrespectful to the playerbase, because everyone knows what this is really about. All SE is doing here is real money trade. And that was one of the most attractive features of FFXI when I started.

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FFXI is not what it was, to Square it's simply a cashcow now. Their main focus is still going to be on FFXIV. To this end we will probably see more RMT for ingame items and stuff like this, you need to realise where we are in time with this game and how much money Square need to support 14.

Either buy the pack for the ingame item or don't.

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Originally Posted by Runespider

FFXI is not what it was, to Square it's simply a cashcow now. Their main focus is still going to be on FFXIV. To this end we will probably see more RMT for ingame items and stuff like this, you need to realise where we are in time with this game and how much money Square need to support 14.

Either buy the pack for the ingame item or don't.

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I will be interested to see what happens with XIV. I have no plans whatsoever to play. This is the only MMORPG I will ever play. And, when I'm done with it, I'm done with MMORPG's. The launch of XIV was seriously bungled. So, that undoubtedly lost them some players. I'll be watching the re-launch to see their strategy for attracting people to the game.

*Headesk!*
This is really silly. So much crying over silliness. So this is the state of our playerbase? Whiny kids who feel like they're entitled to everything just because they're paying for a service they've already been getting.