Final Fantasy Vana'Diel Collection 3! (Now with Epic Items~)

[Neika]

I suggest we, as a player base express our discontent with this decision by demanding all players with the 3 Abyssea add-ons (regardless of how/when they were purchased) be given access to this new Beret. The Nexus Cape is attainable regardless of how the other three add-ons were purchased, the Destrier Beret should be the same, period. As paying customers I feel that we deserve nothing less.

I cannot agree with this more. Those of us who bought all the add ons at full price should also get this item.

[Karbuncle]

I'd like to remind you guys Camate isn't a Dev member (right?) he's just a Rep. He's basically the middle-man for us and the Dev team. Don't be angry with him, Need to be upset with SE themselves, as they are the ones who probably gave the okay to do this. So don't be like "WHAT? YOU'RE!" when its not his fault. direct your upset-ness to SE.

Secondly, Its not really about it being a collectors item or any of that, Its that its more the principle of the matter. We've been loyal customers for years, and they're now releasing another Vana-collection with the single best head armor for 1-30 gameplay, and we can't get it without pretty much spending 20$ on getting the in-game item (I.E pay for expansion/code to get it).

While on the other hand, Our reward for said "Purchasing of the Expansions" has been of course the content, but the Nexus Cape, and now the Prishe Statue, both of which the buyer of the Vana-Collection are also eligible for. I feel for the one guy who just coaxed his friends to buy all 3 Expansions for 30$, when not even a week later its released the entire game for 20$, including that hat lol.

I'd like to add, I think i was the only one who ever mentioned all my jobs being 40+ (I saw someone earlier mention this as "The majority of you" when I'm the only one who said it AFAIK), So i don't really mind if i don't see the beret as much as you guys, But its more the Principle of the matter. Loyal Customers getting boned. I would have killed for that hat years ago, But I know I'm in a minority when i say i have not 1 job that can use it. So thats why I'm on the side of "I think this should be obtainable to us Loyal players as well".


.... I'm sure they didn't expect this kind of shit-storm over a low level item :X, Kinda feel bad for them. But yah, Again, Don't take your anger out on our Rep, Its not his fault, he's the messenger. never shoot the messenger.

[Crocker]

If SE was selling an actual hat with a Key for a in game hat this would be a different story, but they aren't.

It shouldn't matter if its a level 1 hat that only gave a Flint Stone once every 24 hours we should be entitled to this item.
It doesn't matter if you think the hat is crap or it doesn't take long to level 1-30 its the principle behind it. Telling us we have to pay $20 for something we already own for an in game item that costs nothing is a huge slap to the face to all your long time loyal customers!

And saying you pay the monthly fee every month doesn't mean anything you pay that regardless they don't even have to give version updates if they don't want to.

We the Loyal Customers who bought each expansion before they were released shouldn't get screwed out of an item like this. We paid FULL price for it and deserve the free item that costs nothing since its virtual goods.

[Mirage]

To Camate

I understand that community reps have to make the information they've got sound as good as they can, and that it probably aren't you who are deciding how things like bonus items and rewards work, but that statement you made earlier, it really sounds bad no matter how you could have said it.

I hope you bring the concerns the players in this thread have voiced to the people in charge, and see if you can make them change their mind. After all, Camate, don't you think it is a bit backwards that the players who have supported the game the most should have to pay even more to get an item than people who haven't?

[Zeroth]

It feels more insulting to be handing out the free statue, which does absolutely nothing, and at the same time not the beret as well.

[Joslyn]

It seems that Everyone really feels that SE pulled the wool over their eyes when they announced that this Item would be packed in the new collection only and not be available to those like Me that purchased everything, Now even though the hat code is separate from the reg code It still feels like SE doesn't think its long time players would like to have this item, personally it would be nice if SE gives us this item for free or even maybe let us purchase this item separately for a small fee,even to go as far as everyone that purchase's one the proceeds go to the Earthquake relief fund, hell i'd like to get some of the past items that were given away at special events, I'd be willing to pay a couple of bucks to get the moogle shield or even the talisman teleporter body piece if they offered it like they do when a new add on comes out.

[Runespider]

They should of made this a ring, people are only whining cause it's a pretty hat they want to walk around in at 90.

[Tsuneo]

I think people are missing the true message of the majority of the complaints. All I hear about is the beret, but take the beret out of the situation completely. This isn't about a piece of gear it's about the fact that we bought everything that comes with with the collection, but are excluded from the additional item regardless of what the item actually is. SE would've been better off just finding a different way to sell the beret instead of slapping people in the face. Not that I actually care about the item, but it's a matter of principle.

[Runespider]

I think people are missing the true message of the majority of the complaints. All I hear about is the beret, but take the beret out of the situation completely. This isn't about a piece of gear it's about the fact that we bought everything that comes with with the collection, but are excluded from the additional item regardless of what the item actually is. SE would've been better off just finding a different way to sell the beret instead of slapping people in the face. Not that I actually care about the item, but it's a matter of principle.

The beret was added the way it was as an insentive for people that already have the full game content to buy it again(as a collectors edition), if they don't do this they can't justify making a repackaged FFXI disk set. There are not enough new buyers to justify it's creation costs or place in a stores shelf, if this had been a unrestricted item then everyone would agree but is a level 30 buff armor...you can get 30 in a day spamming fov. Who cares.

[Arcon]

never shoot the messenger.

Is this Sparta? Tread lightly..

I wanted to clarify a few things people haven't mentioned yet (or at least I didn't see). It's not about it being useless (or useful) to many people. Me, as a collector, I simply want to have this item. It's the same with Atma. So many of them are utterly useless, but gotta have them all.

And you can't compare it to things like the Tidal Talisman, because there you bought the actual item, the ingame item was just a bonus. I know that's not how most people saw it, I bought it as well and it was for the ingame item only. And I think SE knew it was going to be like that too. And it sucked. Even that sucked, big time, as did the Mog Satchel, although those still had a moral justification. This is a scam. You get absolutely nothing, you simply buy an ingame item for actual cash. It's called real money trading and can get your account suspended. You know, when it's done by someone other than SE.

Also, I don't believe this is targeted at new players. This item is supposed to make the transition into Abyssea content easier. Why would only new players profit from that? How many new players are there? It would be interesting to see how many actual new players buy this, compared to how many old players do. Even though a major part of the old playerbase is outraged I this, I assure you, they will also be a major part of the people buying this game. The other big part will be returning players (although ironally, most returning players already came back after Abyssea, thus had the new expansions already). And yes, maybe there'll be a few new players buying this too.

Several people have said "it's simple, if you don't wanna pay, don't do it and don't get the item", it's not as simple as that. That, in fact, is unrelated to anything at all. It's a tautology, not an argument. The issue here is with how SE treats their loyal playerbase. I don't think I should have more than others because I played (and paid) for the better part of a decade. But I also don't think they should have more than me, which is what this little exercise (officially) intends to do.

And what about tha VanaFest argument? Is it unfair that they have things I can't get? Yes, I'm still pissed off about that. Why can't I obtain a Moogle Cap? Or a Nomad Moogle Shield? I still want those and I'd do almost anything for them. However, being a student I can't afford to fly to VanaFest from Germany. And that one time I didn't have internet access for a month and thought I'd use that time to hang back and relax I miss the Moogle Cap sales.

I'm not saying those people shouldn't get anything special. But does it have to be an ingame item? One of the things I liked most about FF (back when I started) was that SE didn't promote purchasing ingame goods with real money, like many other online games did. A friend tried to get me hooked on Maple Story, but precisely for that reason I didn't join him. Now I have to go through the same thing in my favorite MMORPG? I'm disappointed.

There's two possible ways to look at this:
Either SE really believe it's something their most loyal players shouldn't have (the players who bought everything when it first came out) and they're being unfair, or they know those people will want it regardless and will spend extra money on it, making this a scam.

A solution would be simple:
Give them the item first, let us obtain it later, through ingame means. This could (and should) apply that to VanaFest items and other ingame content as well. Nothing in the game should be blocked to people in any way. If you wanna give those people something exclusive, try merchandise and other content outside of the game.